*No Spoilers* The Bachelor Episode 10 WTA Discussions

George1218 wrote:

mprssdbyu wrote:

eversotrue wrote:I've seen comments from: Lauren, Allison, Christy, Kat, Victoria, etc. even from girls who got axed the first night. People see his lack of convo and flip flop ways and have come to a "conclusion". Not to mention, people REALLY do not like the way he treated Clare in regards to oceangate. The comments he made about a gay bachelor didn't do any favors either (Victoria said she was glad she got sent home based on that).

I'm going to agree with the oceangate conversation. I do not blame Clare for feeling the way she did. Unfortunately, it was her first dose of his brutal honesty. But that's who he is. He's honest to a fault. I totally get her being hurt and upset. He doesn't understand it but I get it.

When that convo took place, I felt then Clare was not F1. Just one 1-1 date with Nikki and he's sliding Clare into second or third place. His regret had as much to do with Nikki and Sharlene finding out as it did with Camilla. IMO

I'm sorry, I feel like Clare has taken NO  responsibility at all for that. she initiated things and kept pushing. He did take responsibility and said he was wrong to have gone into the ocean.  He never said, IMO, anything to Clare to make her feel like a slut or anything.  He told her he regretted it and that it was his fault and it shouldn't have happened.  I think Clare acted like she had done nothing wrong and it was all Juan Pablo's fault.  I know many/most don't agree with me and that's fine, but this is the way I feel.

I agree with you, George. I see things the same way.
Clare was quick to play the victim but forgot to acknowledge she had some responsibility too ...

In the check-out line last night, I had time to read the whole US Weekly story, only snippets of which have made it onto this forum as far as I've seen.

I think people should read that article. It gave me pause, including in terms of how the F1 must have felt toward him at the very end, and perhaps now.

The piece does have the feel of production behind it, in terms of preparing the viewers for a no-romance at the ATFR ending, OR, possibly another big "GOTCHA" to Reality Steve who spoiled "he picked a bitch, and isn't even in love with her or vice versa".

Of course, for many reasons starting with what's "more fun to watch", I hope it's the latter.

But I have little doubt from my longtime observer chair (which sits under the banner "The Business of Television Explains Everything" you see on this show), that production planted that story, beginning to end.

jlccaz wrote:In the check-out line last night, I had time to read the whole US Weekly story, only snippets of which have made it onto this forum as far as I've seen.

I think people should read that article.  It gave me pause, including in terms of how the F1 must have felt toward him at the very end, and perhaps now.  

The piece does have the feel of production behind it, in terms of preparing the viewers for a no-romance at the ATFR ending, OR, possibly another big "GOTCHA" to Reality Steve who spoiled "he picked a bitch, and isn't even in love with her or vice versa".

Of course, for many reasons starting with what's "more fun to watch", I hope it's the latter.

But I have little doubt from my longtime observer chair (which sits under the banner "The Business of Television Explains Everything" you see on this show), that production planted that story, beginning to end.

Interesting.   

jlccaz wrote:In the check-out line last night, I had time to read the whole US Weekly story, only snippets of which have made it onto this forum as far as I've seen.

I think people should read that article.  It gave me pause, including in terms of how the F1 must have felt toward him at the very end, and perhaps now.  

The piece does have the feel of production behind it, in terms of preparing the viewers for a no-romance at the ATFR ending, OR, possibly another big "GOTCHA" to Reality Steve who spoiled "he picked a bitch, and isn't even in love with her or vice versa".

Of course, for many reasons starting with what's "more fun to watch", I hope it's the latter.

But I have little doubt from my longtime observer chair (which sits under the banner "The Business of Television Explains Everything" you see on this show), that production planted that story, beginning to end.

This... I totally agree. I think the story is all about Andi, though.

Mirzam wrote:

jlccaz wrote:In the check-out line last night, I had time to read the whole US Weekly story, only snippets of which have made it onto this forum as far as I've seen.

I think people should read that article.  It gave me pause, including in terms of how the F1 must have felt toward him at the very end, and perhaps now.  

The piece does have the feel of production behind it, in terms of preparing the viewers for a no-romance at the ATFR ending, OR, possibly another big "GOTCHA" to Reality Steve who spoiled "he picked a bitch, and isn't even in love with her or vice versa".

Of course, for many reasons starting with what's "more fun to watch", I hope it's the latter.

But I have little doubt from my longtime observer chair (which sits under the banner "The Business of Television Explains Everything" you see on this show), that production planted that story, beginning to end.

Interesting.   

I haven't read the US Weekly. What i found interesting is that in his twitter, Juan Pablo replied JaJaJA to a twitter follower who posted a picture of US weekly. It makes me wonder and look forward to the finale for a surprise ending in MArch 10 which is what Juan Pablo is alluding to in his interview in Daytona.

Isabel123 wrote:

Mirzam wrote:

jlccaz wrote:In the check-out line last night, I had time to read the whole US Weekly story, only snippets of which have made it onto this forum as far as I've seen.

I think people should read that article.  It gave me pause, including in terms of how the F1 must have felt toward him at the very end, and perhaps now.  

The piece does have the feel of production behind it, in terms of preparing the viewers for a no-romance at the ATFR ending, OR, possibly another big "GOTCHA" to Reality Steve who spoiled "he picked a bitch, and isn't even in love with her or vice versa".

Of course, for many reasons starting with what's "more fun to watch", I hope it's the latter.

But I have little doubt from my longtime observer chair (which sits under the banner "The Business of Television Explains Everything" you see on this show), that production planted that story, beginning to end.

Interesting.   

I haven't read the US Weekly. What i found interesting is that in his twitter, Juan Pablo replied JaJaJA to a








twitter follower who posted a picture of US weekly. It makes me wonder and look forward to the finale for a








surprise ending in MArch 10 which is what Juan Pablo is alluding to in his interview in Daytona.

I agree that tweet was very interesting ! One his first date with Clare he talked about surprising her & how much he enjoyed surprises!! He surprised his daughter ( or that is what we were shown). Probably surprised the other top 4 too but the biggest discussion of surprise I thought was to Clare!

Litta123 wrote:Playing devil's advocate, didn't filming Chris in Seattle handing out roses prior to the end of last season indicate to many that he couldn't be F1? ...and we all know how that turned out.

yeah..that was a really2 wonky trick!!...  . I wont buy anything they are trying to sell this season. Just need to rely on sleuthing, analyzing, and yes, playing detective..LOL...

Isabel123 wrote:

Mirzam wrote:

jlccaz wrote:In the check-out line last night, I had time to read the whole US Weekly story, only snippets of which have made it onto this forum as far as I've seen.

I think people should read that article.  It gave me pause, including in terms of how the F1 must have felt toward him at the very end, and perhaps now.  

The piece does have the feel of production behind it, in terms of preparing the viewers for a no-romance at the ATFR ending, OR, possibly another big "GOTCHA" to Reality Steve who spoiled "he picked a bitch, and isn't even in love with her or vice versa".

Of course, for many reasons starting with what's "more fun to watch", I hope it's the latter.

But I have little doubt from my longtime observer chair (which sits under the banner "The Business of Television Explains Everything" you see on this show), that production planted that story, beginning to end.

Interesting.   

I haven't read the US Weekly. What i found interesting is that in his twitter, Juan Pablo replied JaJaJA to a twitter follower who posted a picture of US weekly. It makes me wonder and look forward to the finale for a surprise ending in MArch 10 which is what Juan Pablo is alluding to in his interview in Daytona.

I have a hunch that RS is correct with his spoiler, whatever that may be.    

sde1041 wrote:

George1218 wrote:

mprssdbyu wrote:

eversotrue wrote:I've seen comments from: Lauren, Allison, Christy, Kat, Victoria, etc. even from girls who got axed the first night. People see his lack of convo and flip flop ways and have come to a "conclusion". Not to mention, people REALLY do not like the way he treated Clare in regards to oceangate. The comments he made about a gay bachelor didn't do any favors either (Victoria said she was glad she got sent home based on that).

I'm going to agree with the oceangate conversation. I do not blame Clare for feeling the way she did. Unfortunately, it was her first dose of his brutal honesty. But that's who he is. He's honest to a fault. I totally get her being hurt and upset. He doesn't understand it but I get it.

When that convo took place, I felt then Clare was not F1. Just one 1-1 date with Nikki and he's sliding Clare into second or third place. His regret had as much to do with Nikki and Sharlene finding out as it did with Camilla. IMO

I'm sorry, I feel like Clare has taken NO  responsibility at all for that. she initiated things and kept pushing. He did take responsibility and said he was wrong to have gone into the ocean.  He never said, IMO, anything to Clare to make her feel like a slut or anything.  He told her he regretted it and that it was his fault and it shouldn't have happened.  I think Clare acted like she had done nothing wrong and it was all Juan Pablo's fault.  I know many/most don't agree with me and that's fine, but this is the way I feel.

I agree with you, George. I see things the same way.
Clare was quick to play the victim but forgot to acknowledge she had some responsibility too ...

  

I think I asked this question but here goes again....

Has there been a precedent of EITHER the f1 or f2 hanging out at multiple locations with the rest of the cast during the WTA /  MTA tapings ?

Juan Pablo's tweet.

Juan Pablo Galavis™ ‏@JuanPaGalavis 16h
Don't TRUST people who ENCHANTS you too MUCH before making a DEAL, later they will TURN their backs...

Seems he really is at odds with Fleiss and co.

Why do you think that?