*No Spoilers* The Bachelor Episode 10 WTA Discussions

eversotrue wrote:And yeah, those girls did go home fairly early but like I said above, it does NOT take a genuis to realize how dumb and insensitive he comes off. Most people dont like/respect him anymore, believe it or not and the reasons I stated above are exactly why. He dug himself a nice hole and now he's stuck. It happens. And it seems as if it's only going to continue during overnights based on what supposedly happens. Apparently, he doesn't know when to shut up.

mprssdbyu wrote:

eversotrue wrote:How do you explain his flip flopping in regards to camila then? He uses her as a cover up quite a bit and people have noticed that. EVERYONE has noticed that. Yeah, im sure they're trying to make themselves feel better in a way after having watched his connection with the other girls and having been rejected but they also realize what a doof he is (at least shows to be). Like I said: he doesnt have intellectual convos, he uses Camila as an excuse a lot, he flip flops, he uses the same tactic with all the girls when they're upset, he tells them to "not cry" "or Im gonna be mad and nkt tell you anything", he treated the Clare situation badly, he said those anti gay remarks, etc. This is way more then these girls' getting their feelings hurt and I think it's ridicoulous to even trying to justify that. This guy has said a lot of stupid stuff and has done a lot of stupid stuff. It doesn't take a genuis to notice that. Most of America has noticed and so have his contestants.

We are definitely on a different page. I do think he's very concerned about how he's perceived with Camilla in mind. I do think he pulled back as time went on and tried to be physically connected to only those that he saw potential in being his F1. That list for me included Nikki, Clare and Sharlene. The edit doesn't show us his attempt at any conversations that had depth. Do I think he had them? Absolutely. Do I think he could have had more...absolutely. As I said before IMO, the language barrier made him feel insecure and it may have hurt him in regards to Sharlene. Crying upsets him him because he's genuinely trying his best not to hurt them. Making them look at him and listen (in his eyes) helps soften the blow and changes the direction of tears. That's just how he deals with those situations. As far as the Bachelor not being ready for a gay bachelor during primetime. Some would lie and say of course... he didn't ... he told the truth about how he felt ... I find no fault in that. We're just on a different page and that's okay. I don't think he's God's gift to women but I do like him very much as a person. I have learned that much this season.

Aunties_Love wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:But isn't it even more unusual for her to be meeting up with the girls if she is F1?  Some mentioned that he was out and about during the time he was in LA.

I don't know about that.  Other past F1's have been out with the gals after the WTA and I think the organization is letting up on things like that.

George1218 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:But isn't it even more unusual for her to be meeting up with the girls if she is F1?  Some mentioned that he was out and about during the time he was in LA.

I don't know about that.  Other past F1's have been out with the gals after the WTA and I think the organization is letting up on things like that.

Which F1s are you talking about?  I don't remember a F1 hanging out with the other women after the WTA but may I missed it.

nd4reality wrote:Last question, did he fly in prior to the taping or on the day off. I just get the impression that this weekend and the days leading up to the WTA taping were not Meetup days and therefore Clare being in LA is no real evidence either way.

TIA for all your replies.

mprssdbyu wrote:

eversotrue wrote:Things seem to be more lenient this season though. Especially since it seems as if the show has given up on Juan Pablo. Every day, I get the feeling more and more, that JP doesn't end up with anyone. Or at least he isn't with anyone right now.

It also seems as if most of the girls really do not like him. Most of them have made snide remarks on Twitter/IG about him. Lauren mentioned the poop party to be "classy" and that Juan was "impressed" with Renee for throwing the poop back. Ha! She also said that conversation with JP was difficult and that it would of been easier with the cameras if the person was genuine and sincere. Ouch!

Women Tell All should definitely be interesting. Just in the sense tht I wonder how all the girls will interact with him and what they'll say. Fun!!

I haven't been following twitter so I didn't realize the girls were openly saying snide things about him. I find that interesting....esp when someone throws a little dried poop playfully and commented playfully about a girl who actually tried it. If it were my son, he would be in shock, too! But they were laughing and having fun so it was an in the moment thing that lasted how long? 3 minutes? I don't think JP put a great deal of effort into having conversations with the women he saw going home and had no chance of being F1. He's indicated to everyone watching the show...what he hates most is hurting someone so I think he kept it as simple as possible and let them do the talking. That's playing it the safest way he knew how. I do think it hurt him not having a strong grasp on the English language. There were many sayings "phrases" used that he just didn't have a clue how to translate and respond. I think he felt a little insecure because of that and it hurt him with some...example being Sharlene. Do I think he's a dummy? Absolutely not. In fact, he's fast on his feet...as they say. He's very perceptive and has great instincts. The language barrier will become less and less. Of that I have no doubt. Didn't someone say most of his girlfriends have all been of hispanic origin? I for one think he's going to be just fine.

mprssdbyu wrote:

eversotrue wrote:I've seen comments from: Lauren, Allison, Christy, Kat, Victoria, etc. even from girls who got axed the first night. People see his lack of convo and flip flop ways and have come to a "conclusion". Not to mention, people REALLY do not like the way he treated Clare in regards to oceangate. The comments he made about a gay bachelor didn't do any favors either (Victoria said she was glad she got sent home based on that).

I'm going to agree with the oceangate conversation. I do not blame Clare for feeling the way she did. Unfortunately, it was her first dose of his brutal honesty. But that's who he is. He's honest to a fault. I totally get her being hurt and upset. He doesn't understand it but I get it.

When that convo took place, I felt then Clare was not F1. Just one 1-1 date with Nikki and he's sliding Clare into second or third place. His regret had as much to do with Nikki and Sharlene finding out as it did with Camilla. IMO