Re: *No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Screencap discussions- thread #2

[4health]

Clare's true personality (whatever that is) is not relevant to the edit only that of her onscreen persona.

BUT it is relevant if Juan knows her true personality and that he feels good with her being around Camilla.  Now that IS a point that matters.

And that is pure speculation. You would think that because JP is a Dad, the producers would want to show from that side of the F1, why leave such an important thing out? Who did he invite to meet Camilla in Miami? Nikki. Perhaps he felt the most comfortable with her meeting his daughter.[/quote]

Just thinking maybe he thinks it would be better to have Nikki because Clare, Sharleen & Andi he couldn't keep his hands off of them or them off of him…. but if we look at the order of dates who would he have taken instead?

wk 2 Clare - wk 6
wk 3 Chelsie -
wk 4 Charleen - wk 7
wk 5 Renee -
wk 5 Nikki - wk 7
wk 6 Andi - 1:1 time wk 7

Since Clare had her 2nd 1:1 and Andi had her first 1:1 and Renee before that it would make since that Chelsie's time next but since he probably knew it was her time to leave the next one's to have 1:1 is Sharleen and Nikki how else would they have done it. Would he have chosen Sharleen to go meet his daughter when production knew her feelings and probably suggested for him to have 1:1 only time is what they needed. Just a thought…..it might just be that he wanted Nikki to meet his daughter and that in his eyes she is his front runner??

[julychild]

I don't have to admit anything Auntie.    IMO, Clare's drama is nothing like the drama with Courtney. Bottom line, for whatever reason, JP regretted his swim with Clare, and it appears Clare is still baffled by this.

Just like in Bach Canada, editing does matter.  There is a lot more to Clare than what we are seeing and the drama with her is very much like Courtney.  Courtney wasn't liked either by the women.

Editing works both ways.

And edit can choose to not show some things, but what we see on screen is real, it hasn't been transformed. What I have seen from Clare's personality doesn't bold well with me.
Sorry, but nothing to do with editing as far as I am concerned.
Her attitude, facial expressions were there. Not imagining them...

It's okay to believe what you will about Clare or anyone else, but PLEASEEEEEEE, do not, for a nano second, believe that what we see on screen is real, because it is not!!!! There is a very comprehensive article floating about somewhere on this site, that details all the tricks used by the producers of reality tv to misdirect the viewers and create desired perceptions. Everything is done with smokes and mirrors.

Read the article below to have an idea of how reality TV works, read the points relevant to this show and just ignore the rest (I know this is the wrong thread for this):

Eight Things You Don’t Know About Reality TV
Think you know everything about your favorite reality shows? Think again. Andy Dehnart, a reality TV expert and founder of reality blurred, shares eight things you don’t know about reality television.

1. Cast members sign restrictive contracts
Read the Survivor contract, the Big Brother contract, or The Real World’s contract and you’ll see what cast members agree to before the cameras ever start rolling. That ranges from being inflicted with “severe mental stress” to allowing a TV network to register their name as a domain and use it forever.

2. Cast members on competition shows don’t go home, they are sequestered
When people are eliminated from reality competitions, such as Top Chef or Survivor, they talk about going home. But they won’t return to their homes and families until the show is finished filming; instead, they are sequestered. That keeps the cast in one place in case they’re needed again, either to return to the competition or as a jury, but it also prevents others from learning the outcome of the show, because the whole cast returns to their normal lives at the same time. If you want to know what Top Chef’s sequester is like, read about one cast member’s experience.

3. Winners don’t always get the announced prizes
The reward for being on a reality show is often quite large, but some shows don’t quite deliver on their promises. For example, NBC’s summer competition America’s Got Talent promises $1 million, but pays that out over 40 years, so it’s only worth about $375,000 today. The Fox series Hell’s Kitchen has promised its winners “head chef” positions, but they have rarely taken such a position.

4. Editing is everything
Every reality show is edited; there is just too much footage and too little time to show it all. Plus, we like to watch narratives unfold, so editors and story producers pick and choose what to show in order to develop a story. They can do that ethically or unethically; unethical editing includes creating brand-new sentences from someone’s dialog, which is known as “frankenbyting”. For a comical take on how editing and production work, watch this video.

5. There’s all kinds of product placement
It’s no secret that companies pay to have their products featured on TV shows, including reality TV. But did you know that even cities and states pay to have their location featured? For example, New Orleans and Louisiana paid $375,000 to host filming of Top Chef this summer.

6. A lot of work is involved in producing a reality series
Many talented people work on reality series, from expert camera operators who capture flawless shots in high definition to audio engineers who make sure we hear everything. A show has to be conceived, planned, cast, shot, and then edited, and each component is a huge undertaking, even for smaller shows.

7. No one agrees what the phrase “reality TV” means
People often assume all reality TV is fake, but that’s not true at all. Even a show like Duck Dynasty, which is essentially a sit-com, is complicated because the characters are real people living their real lives–in addition to acting out scenarios set up by the producers.

In reality, reality TV includes everything from shows that lie to viewers about what they’re doing and showing to pure, raw documentary-style series that are as close to reality as a TV show can get. But the phrase “reality TV” is used to describe all those shows. To see how one of those more documentary-style shows is made, read this behind-the-scenes experiences on Animal Planet’s “Whale Wars”.

8. Reality TV really has value
Because reality shows usually feature real people in real-life scenarios facing real consequences, they have a lot to offer us. They can be both entertaining and educational. To find out why I think reality TV is so important–really!–watch my TEDx Talk.

[Guest]

Clare's true personality (whatever that is) is not relevant to the edit only that of her onscreen persona.

BUT it is relevant if Juan knows her true personality and that he feels good with her being around Camilla.  Now that IS a point that matters.

And that is pure speculation. You would think that because JP is a Dad, the producers would want to show from that side of the F1, why leave such an important thing out? Who did he invite to meet Camilla in Miami? Nikki. Perhaps he felt the most comfortable with her meeting his daughter.

Just thinking maybe he thinks it would be better to have Nikki because Clare, Sharleen & Andi he couldn't keep his hands off of them or them off of him….  but if we look at the order of dates who would he have taken instead?

wk 2 Clare - wk 6
wk 3 Chelsie -
wk 4 Charleen - wk 7
wk 5 Renee -
wk 5 Nikki - wk 7
wk 6 Andi - 1:1 time wk 7

Since Clare had her 2nd 1:1 and Andi had her first 1:1 and Renee before that it would make since that Chelsie's time next but since he probably knew it was her time to leave the next one's to have 1:1 is Sharleen and Nikki how else would they have done it.  Would he have chosen Sharleen to go meet his daughter when production knew her feelings and probably suggested for him to have 1:1 only time is what they needed.     Just a thought…..it might just be that he wanted Nikki to meet his daughter and that in his eyes she is his front runner??[/quote]







He could have had a date with Nikki without her meeting his daughter. I dont think it was in the contract that a woman had to meet his daughter on a date. He wanted her to meet Camilla

[Guest]

I don't have to admit anything Auntie.    IMO, Clare's drama is nothing like the drama with Courtney. Bottom line, for whatever reason, JP regretted his swim with Clare, and it appears Clare is still baffled by this.

Just like in Bach Canada, editing does matter.  There is a lot more to Clare than what we are seeing and the drama with her is very much like Courtney.  Courtney wasn't liked either by the women.

Editing works both ways.

And edit can choose to not show some things, but what we see on screen is real, it hasn't been transformed. What I have seen from Clare's personality doesn't bold well with me.
Sorry, but nothing to do with editing as far as I am concerned.
Her attitude, facial expressions were there. Not imagining them...

It's okay to believe what you will about Clare or anyone else, but PLEASEEEEEEE, do not, for a nano second, believe that what we see on screen is real, because it is not!!!! There is a very comprehensive article floating about somewhere on this site, that details all the tricks used by the producers of reality tv to misdirect the viewers and create desired perceptions. Everything is done with smokes and mirrors.

Read the article below to have an idea of how reality TV works, read the points relevant to this show and just ignore the rest (I know this is the wrong thread for this):

Eight Things You Don’t Know About Reality TV
Think you know everything about your favorite reality shows? Think again. Andy Dehnart, a reality TV expert and founder of reality blurred, shares eight things you don’t know about reality television.

1. Cast members sign restrictive contracts
Read the Survivor contract, the Big Brother contract, or The Real World’s contract and you’ll see what cast members agree to before the cameras ever start rolling. That ranges from being inflicted with “severe mental stress” to allowing a TV network to register their name as a domain and use it forever.

2. Cast members on competition shows don’t go home, they are sequestered
When people are eliminated from reality competitions, such as Top Chef or Survivor, they talk about going home. But they won’t return to their homes and families until the show is finished filming; instead, they are sequestered. That keeps the cast in one place in case they’re needed again, either to return to the competition or as a jury, but it also prevents others from learning the outcome of the show, because the whole cast returns to their normal lives at the same time. If you want to know what Top Chef’s sequester is like, read about one cast member’s experience.

3. Winners don’t always get the announced prizes
The reward for being on a reality show is often quite large, but some shows don’t quite deliver on their promises. For example, NBC’s summer competition America’s Got Talent promises $1 million, but pays that out over 40 years, so it’s only worth about $375,000 today. The Fox series Hell’s Kitchen has promised its winners “head chef” positions, but they have rarely taken such a position.

4. Editing is everything
Every reality show is edited; there is just too much footage and too little time to show it all. Plus, we like to watch narratives unfold, so editors and story producers pick and choose what to show in order to develop a story. They can do that ethically or unethically; unethical editing includes creating brand-new sentences from someone’s dialog, which is known as “frankenbyting”. For a comical take on how editing and production work, watch this video.

5. There’s all kinds of product placement
It’s no secret that companies pay to have their products featured on TV shows, including reality TV. But did you know that even cities and states pay to have their location featured? For example, New Orleans and Louisiana paid $375,000 to host filming of Top Chef this summer.

6. A lot of work is involved in producing a reality series
Many talented people work on reality series, from expert camera operators who capture flawless shots in high definition to audio engineers who make sure we hear everything. A show has to be conceived, planned, cast, shot, and then edited, and each component is a huge undertaking, even for smaller shows.

7. No one agrees what the phrase “reality TV” means
People often assume all reality TV is fake, but that’s not true at all. Even a show like Duck Dynasty, which is essentially a sit-com, is complicated because the characters are real people living their real lives–in addition to acting out scenarios set up by the producers.

In reality, reality TV includes everything from shows that lie to viewers about what they’re doing and showing to pure, raw documentary-style series that are as close to reality as a TV show can get. But the phrase “reality TV” is used to describe all those shows. To see how one of those more documentary-style shows is made, read this behind-the-scenes experiences on Animal Planet’s “Whale Wars”.

8. Reality TV really has value
Because reality shows usually feature real people in real-life scenarios facing real consequences, they have a lot to offer us. They can be both entertaining and educational. To find out why I think reality TV is so important–really!–watch my TEDx Talk.

Thank you for all this information.

I am though well aware of all the tricks editing can use to show a different sentence and thus different stories.
But, could they change the expression in the mouth, the eyes ?
I don't think so... And for me it's very telling of a personality.

Also, I have never stated that Clare was a bad person. This, I would not know.
But what I am saying, is that from what I see on tv from her facial expressions reacting to people and situations, I don't think she can be right for being a 2nd person coming after Camila in JP 's life. She seems too self centered, as some other posters mentioned.

[Mirzam]

I am still playing sleuthing catch-up having not paid too much attention until recently, but have Clare and JP discussed her being a step-mom to Camilla? He and Nikki discussed it (not sure if it was during the evening of their date in Vietnam or in Seoul chat).

[Aunties_Love]

Clare's true personality (whatever that is) is not relevant to the edit only that of her onscreen persona.

BUT it is relevant if Juan knows her true personality and that he feels good with her being around Camilla.  Now that IS a point that matters.

And that is pure speculation. You would think that because JP is a Dad, the producers would want to show from that side of the F1, why leave such an important thing out? Who did he invite to meet Camilla in Miami? Nikki. Perhaps he felt the most comfortable with her meeting his daughter.[/quote]I didn't write the bolded.  Bolded and underlined is what I wrote.  Somehow the quotes got mixed up

[DMBFan]

Looks like I'm the only who actually likes Clare.    And to me she seems like the only one invested, and I honestly don't think he is invested in any of them... except maybe Sharleen and she leaves him.

[Aunties_Love]

Looks like I'm the only who actually likes Clare.    And to me she seems like the only one invested, and I honestly don't think he is invested in any of them... except maybe Sharleen and she leaves him.  

You definately aren't the only one, but sadly there are only a very few of us. I so see him invested and always moving in for a hug/kiss with Clare, but not with the others. She is really invested in him too.

[pbmax]

Why skip Brad season, I think his is a prime example of what I call being the bachelor. Wasn't there all this hot chemistry with Chantal, heck even with Jenni in his first go round. hehehe. Don't you know that's how it works, or otherwise we know who it is. We never see the chemistry with the F1. I never seen the lead regret doing anything with the F1.

We have. Last season with Des, then with Emily/Brad, then with Sean/Catherine. It is there if you look. If you don't then you won't find it.

What is there? don't understand

[Guest]

Looks like I'm the only who actually likes Clare.    And to me she seems like the only one invested, and I honestly don't think he is invested in any of them... except maybe Sharleen and she leaves him.  

You are not alone. I like her too. I seem to like the ones that every hates for some reason  

[Muslady]

Looks like I'm the only who actually likes Clare.    And to me she seems like the only one invested, and I honestly don't think he is invested in any of them... except maybe Sharleen and she leaves him.  

You are not alone. I like her too.  I seem to like the ones that every hates for some reason  

I'm right there with you.  I don't think she's crazy I think she cares. I hope she doesn't get her heart broken. :hidingchair 

[DMBFan]

Okay, he's not invested in Sharleen either after that goodbye...

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