Re: *No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Screencap discussions- thread #2

[Guest]

My only problem with those PI sessions discussed is her hair. It matches TOO perfectly with Juan scenes. Usually you see more variation.

Then again, earlier I was speculating that the whole evening portion of the date was shot in California. Heck, her entire NZ date could easily have been shot in the US. Did you see any landmarks?

i get your point, JBF. i still see possibility that the  PI session taken at NZ. BUT it doesnt matter.

for me personally, the one with Clare in red with the BRACELET is a solid evidence. let me just say i have completed my own puzzle`s piece. July`S finding on the bracelet makes me want to put it on a frame and hang it on the wall.

If im not mistaken i have seen one of JP`s insta of the landmark of what supposed-to-be the day portion of JuClare`s NZ date (involving a `sky` activity..i cant recall). as you  probably know, due to bad weather they canceled the day portion and instead doing picnic on the supposed-to-be their night portion site. For the night portion, they replaced it with a cozy date on Juan`s place. In addition, the awesome sleuthers, Litta and others have sleuthed the place, Hoka Lodge, in NZ. Thought we have to appreciate that.  :Smiley:

ETA. here it is

Juan Pablo Galavis ‏@JuanPaGalavis  Feb 11
The wind SAVED me and Clare from the Flying Fox DATE... #TooDangerous (PHOTO & VIDEO) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  pic.twitter.com/5DgWKKYPhg

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it's evidence on if she wears it after the FRC.
Has it been proven that the SC with her wearing it has been shot AFTER the FRC ?

i cant convince everyone with my logic. Following my logic, there is no enough time for Clare going back to LA ( or even Miami) to do the PI after HTD before St.Lucia. OTOH July has sleuthed that JP gave her the bracelet during HTD..Another logical reason for me, there is no way Clare ---the drama queen--wont be bitter and resentful, let alone wearing a bracelet JP gave her in those PIs if she is the F2.

IMO it doesnt matter if the 3 other girls or even all of the other girls seen in those screen-ish PIs. The one of Clare is the only one that matter to my logic. : She is still wearing that bracelet after St.Lucia, so.....you decide.

Some folks--July, Litta, etc have thrown their reasonings on why they think this PI taken in LA (presumably at the mansion) post-show upthread  and... i agree with them.

[Aunties_Love]

My only problem with those PI sessions discussed is her hair. It matches TOO perfectly with Juan scenes. Usually you see more variation.

Then again, earlier I was speculating that the whole evening portion of the date was shot in California. Heck, her entire NZ date could easily have been shot in the US. Did you see any landmarks?

i get your point, JBF. i still see possibility that the  PI session taken at NZ. BUT it doesnt matter.

for me personally, the one with Clare in red with the BRACELET is a solid evidence. let me just say i have completed my own puzzle`s piece. July`S finding on the bracelet makes me want to put it on a frame and hang it on the wall.

If im not mistaken i have seen one of JP`s insta of the landmark of what supposed-to-be the day portion of JuClare`s NZ date (involving a `sky` activity..i cant recall). as you  probably know, due to bad weather they canceled the day portion and instead doing picnic on the supposed-to-be their night portion site. For the night portion, they replaced it with a cozy date on Juan`s place. In addition, the awesome sleuthers, Litta and others have sleuthed the place, Hoka Lodge, in NZ. Thought we have to appreciate that.  :Smiley:

ETA. here it is

Juan Pablo Galavis ‏@JuanPaGalavis  Feb 11
The wind SAVED me and Clare from the Flying Fox DATE... #TooDangerous (PHOTO & VIDEO) [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  pic.twitter.com/5DgWKKYPhg

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it's evidence on if she wears it after the FRC.
Has it been proven that the SC with her wearing it has been shot AFTER the FRC ?

i cant convince everyone with my logic. Following my logic, there is no enough time for Clare going back to LA ( or even Miami) to do the PI after HTD before St.Lucia. OTOH July has sleuthed that JP gave her the bracelet during HTD..Another logical reason for me, there is no way Clare ---the drama queen--wont be bitter and resentful, let alone wearing a bracelet JP gave her in those PIs if she is the F2.

IMO it doesnt matter if the 3 other girls or even all of the other girls seen in those screen-ish PIs. The one of Clare is the only one that matter to my logic. : She is still wearing that bracelet after St.Lucia, so.....you decide.

Some folks--July, Litta, etc have thrown their reasonings on why they think this PI taken in LA (presumably at the mansion) post-show upthread  and... i agree with them.

I find myself agreeing with you and the others Mura. In the beginning, I just had the gutt feeling that Clare was F1 with the edit, etc, but now that other things are coming out, I find myself even more sure that Clare is the F1. Thanks all for your hard work. Tonight I too tried to look through New Zealand and St. Lucia sites to no avail to find something that matched Clare's ITM. Really wonder if it is a safehouse locale and the crew came there after filming to get some more ITM's.

[rosesrREd]

I am always amazed how much work you guys do with sleuthing the SCs. However, in my opinion it is a giant leap to say Clare is the F1 based on her hair looking slightly different. Clearly, in that video, she is wearing the same shirt, necklace, and earrings as she was with her one on one with JP. The other PI of her in the white tank top is after she put on her comfy clothes. Just because we don't recognize the background doesn't automatically mean it was filmed post show.

I just don't see anything solid to indicate Clare is the F1.

[Guest]

I am always amazed how much work you guys do with sleuthing the SCs.  However, in my opinion it is a giant leap to say Clare is the F1 based on her hair looking slightly different.  Clearly, in that video, she is wearing the same shirt, necklace, and earrings as she was with her one on one with JP.  The other PI of her in the white tank top is after she put on her comfy clothes.  Just because we don't recognize the background doesn't automatically mean it was filmed post show.

I just don't see anything solid t
o indicate Clare is the F1.

actually i was talking about the one with her in red tank top, showing the Venezuelan BRACELET--i think posted 2 pages back . Not the one you mentioned. I can easily neglect it, since its not involving an important clue for me.

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[Aunties_Love]

I am always amazed how much work you guys do with sleuthing the SCs.  However, in my opinion it is a giant leap to say Clare is the F1 based on her hair looking slightly different.  Clearly, in that video, she is wearing the same shirt, necklace, and earrings as she was with her one on one with JP.  The other PI of her in the white tank top is after she put on her comfy clothes.  Just because we don't recognize the background doesn't automatically mean it was filmed post show.

I just don't see anything solid to indicate Clare is the F1.

I think part of the point is that she is VERY tanned in the ITM, locale that we can't locate and bracelet that Juan gave her. All of that in one is the reasons why...IMO

[Litta123]

^^I agree Auntie. That cap is merely one piece of the puzzle...not the only piece. Throw it away and there would still be a strong case for Clare being F1, IMO.

[rosesrREd]

I am always amazed how much work you guys do with sleuthing the SCs.  However, in my opinion it is a giant leap to say Clare is the F1 based on her hair looking slightly different.  Clearly, in that video, she is wearing the same shirt, necklace, and earrings as she was with her one on one with JP.  The other PI of her in the white tank top is after she put on her comfy clothes.  Just because we don't recognize the background doesn't automatically mean it was filmed post show.

I just don't see anything solid to indicate Clare is the F1.

I think part of the point is that she is VERY tanned in the ITM, locale that we can't locate and bracelet that Juan gave her.  All of that in one is the reasons why...IMO

And how do we know that Juan gave her a bracelet? I missed that info somewhere.

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Just having some fun ….. I would do it for Nikki if there were pictures.  When you look at the slideshow on tvgrapvine you can figure out where the bracelet shows up…..

[Aunties_Love]

So, I know this seems like I'm   , but I've looked at a the pics online for Juan's suite in NZ -- the Hilton Lake Taupo Hotel. (link --> Hilton LT) None of the pics online have anything that would match Clare's background. I looked at pics where the girls stayed -- the Huka Lodge (link --> Huka Lodge) None of the pics come close to matching the background in Clare's cap.

There is nothing like this in the mansion. If this is just an ordinary PI filmed on St. Lucia, why not have Clare give it in the same room that both Andi and Nikki have done traveling PI's in St. Lucia? More and more I'm thinking this is a post-FRC PI filmed in the days that Clare and Juan get to stay together. If it's just her "ordinary" FS room, why have her do a time travel shot there? In the cap she discusses the "apology" that Juan Pablo gave her regarding their Vietnam situation (see video below -- 2:04 mark). It doesn't make sense to me that she would do a time travel PI with such an exotic background.

This is my last word on this, but I think it's just more evidence that Clare is F1.

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I'm confused. Why do you think this is a time travel PI ? She is wearing the same top, same necklass and same earrings as she did on that date. There is nothing (to me at least) to indicate that this was a setup at another time.

It is entirely possible that the PI was filmed in another room of the same hotel at the same time which was staged with that golden crappy thing in the corner.

Because, nd, if you look through all the photos at the Hilton Lake Taupo, nothing closely resembles the screen cap. There is nothing in their decor that fits it. The stonework is completely out of place with the stonework at the Hilton.

The stone/brick work shelf the pot sits on behind Clare looks curved...similar to the curves of the edge of a hot tub. There are many hot tubs like this at Jade Mountain in St. Lucia. I haven't been able to find the gold stonework on TripAdvisor so I'm not saying it is at Jade Mountain...but it fits the style of the island. People don't have to believe my position...that's okay...I was only sharing my belief based on not being able to reconcile this background to anything in NZ.

I believe we are close enough to the finale to state the hotels in St. Lucia that were used...

I checked Capmaison, Landings, and Jade Mountain for any background, pools, tile and shale that is in the ITM for Clare.

I also checked every hotel around Lake Taupo for the same background, shale, pools and tiles. Still no luck.

[Guest]

So, I know this seems like I'm   , but I've looked at a the pics online for Juan's suite in NZ -- the Hilton Lake Taupo Hotel. (link --> Hilton LT) None of the pics online have anything that would match Clare's background. I looked at pics where the girls stayed -- the Huka Lodge (link --> Huka Lodge) None of the pics come close to matching the background in Clare's cap.

There is nothing like this in the mansion. If this is just an ordinary PI filmed on St. Lucia, why not have Clare give it in the same room that both Andi and Nikki have done traveling PI's in St. Lucia? More and more I'm thinking this is a post-FRC PI filmed in the days that Clare and Juan get to stay together. If it's just her "ordinary" FS room, why have her do a time travel shot there? In the cap she discusses the "apology" that Juan Pablo gave her regarding their Vietnam situation (see video below -- 2:04 mark). It doesn't make sense to me that she would do a time travel PI with such an exotic background.

This is my last word on this, but I think it's just more evidence that Clare is F1.

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I'm confused. Why do you think this is a time travel PI ? She is wearing the same top, same necklass and same earrings as she did on that date. There is nothing (to me at least) to indicate that this was a setup at another time.

It is entirely possible that the PI was filmed in another room of the same hotel at the same time which was staged with that golden crappy thing in the corner.

ND, the location of this PI is a mystery to me as well, but just to clarify that they sometimes make the casts put on the same clothes, jewelry and such as they wore on the date to film some filler PI's. An example is the SC of Clare below. She is talking about the date in NZ, presumably in real time, yet we can clearly see that her hair is different. Plus she has on earrings in the PI but wore none on the date. The white vest she is wearing underneath that purple jacket is also different from what she actually wore in NZ, if you watch the video. She also made another PI wearing the orange dress from Vietnam in that same room. In short, she recorded three PI's with that background, same hair, makeup, same clothes as Vietnam and NZ, and in all three she was talking about the swimming in the ocean issue.


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this is may sounds weird. but i was thinking, aside much longer hair (and darker? not sure) Why she look much chubby and fatter in both of the bottom PIs? side effects of being happy?  :laughingoutlou  --i may bet my car that the bottom PIs were filmed at least 1-2 mo after the show being wrapped  .

I assume they need her to film the 3 `filler` PIs (2 in the bottom here plus another one commenting on Oceangate, she was wearing her orange dress in Vietnam--that i cited in my analysis on edit thread) to complete the storyline. Another suggesting point to me to believe this particular setting with screen is in LA. (..was she being there at the premiere of her man?..if so, that makes more sense)

[Guest]

Or the result of comfort eating from   a heartbreak?

[Guest]

Or the result of comfort eating from   a heartbreak?

Haa..it could be...  

BUT in the orange-ish PI (not shown here...if someone can bring it here, it will be highly appreciated) with the same backdrop, make up and chubby cheek   ,she was emphasizing that the Ocean gate was a MUTUAL act.. :shocked!: . so..you decide... 

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