Desiree & Chris Siegfried - Tweets/Facebook Updates - Discussion #3

I just read in the comments on a TV Guide interview with CH that Sharleen, Des and Chris had dinner with JP and Nikki last night after the ATFR. Here is a link to that interview:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Bachelor-Finale-Chris-Harrison-1079149.aspx

Hey guys... Could anyone pretty pls fill me in the recap of JAM podcast?. Huge thanks in advance!!:)

SLA44 wrote:I just read in the comments on a TV Guide interview with CH that Sharleen, Des and Chris had dinner with JP and Nikki last night after the ATFR.  Here is a link to that interview:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Bachelor-Finale-Chris-Harrison-1079149.aspx

Interesting!

Des has a recap on her blog, nothing earth shattering, they thought the show was even more difficult to watch in person, and overall just an unfortunate night! They wish Nikki and JP well.

desireehartsock.com

^^ most of the other alumni were there too. Chelsie and some others posted pics on various social media platforms.   

Des & Chris are still ooozing with cuteness. Gosh darn.

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soccermom333 wrote:Molly Mesnick ‏@MollyMesnick  3h
Ugh...I feel so sad abt everything Bachelor tonight. The hate, the tears, the awkwardness. We will talk ALL about this in tomorrows podcast.
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Jason Mesnick ‏@jason_mesnick  3h
Wow... lots to say in our podcast tomorrow... Stay tuned
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This might not be the place for this but since Jason and Molly are such good friends with Chris and Des, I thought I would post it.  Can't wait to hear what Jason and Molly have to say.      

I also can't wait until chris and Des go back on their show and do another podcast!  Knowing Chris and Des, they will keep it classy.  They do have a wedding to plan--with ABC--and I know they are smart and as Catherine would say, won't "bite the hand that feeds them!!"    

"Our" love birds looked  gorgeous and so happy as they always do! :cutesmile!: 

I agree except the bolded. ABC and MFandCo dont own their soul and life. Chris has a bright career and prospective future, so does Des. They dont need the Machine to feed them.   . As far as the wedding goes, i support them as long as they stick to their grand principal and values, and able to create their own dream wedding, regardless being covered by TPTB or not.

I agree with everything you said! Those without careers and real jobs need ABC.  Chris and Des don't...Period!!

Regarding the bolded...just because Sean and Cat seize the opportunities presented to them courtesy of ABC and the franchise...does not mean that they owe their soul to MF. Chris and Des are just as beholden to them as Sean and Cat are. More than likely, they too will avail themselves of the perks of a televised wedding. And why not? They had to put up with a lot to get through everything the franchise threw at them. Des and her business stands a much better chance of success because of her association with the Bachelor. It opened a lot of doors...just like for the Lowes.

I don't care for the little digs at the other couple just because people may prefer this one. Catherine is a freelance graphic designer...she has even helped Jason with some stuff for his company. She can work from any where, at any time and nobody is the wiser because it is not your typical 9 to5 desk job. Sean is also more of the entrepreneurial type. I think the "don't bite the hand that feeds you comment" stemmed from the fact that the show helped each of the couples find their partner and it does open doors...whether it be with business contacts or just the fame and freebies that come with doing the show and getting your name out there...assuming you are smart enough to deal with things in an appropriate manner and not p*ss off someone every time you open your mouth.

I don't think Sean's statements last night had anything to do with kissing production a**, but rather, I think he was offended on behalf of the women. He is a protective guy and the more JPab refused to acknowledge any feelings for...anyone...and the more crass and rude he got, the more you could see the steam rise. Chris sitting behind him, also did not look too impressed by the things coming out of JPab's mouth and I bet if he had the opportunity he would have said pretty much the same thing. Yes, CH was pushing things, but, JPab was just as stubborn and annoying in his own way. Sean was diplomatic, but, he is a man of strong faith and was raised to be a gentleman and he would have never treated anyone that way. Chris is the same. As much as I hated how CH pushed JPab to acknowledge his feelings for Nikki, it was a very strange way for a man to behave...particularly, as he supposedly really cares for this woman. Both Sean and Chris couldn't wait to declare their feelings to Cat and Des respectively as soon as possible...and Chris in particular, after everything that was thrown at them stood by Des in the aftermath of the whole Brooks saga. They protected their women...JPab...not so much. That has nothing to do with producers, it's a matter of decency and human empathy for others...clearly some people have it and others, not so much.

‘THE BACHELOR’ FINALE & AFR {RECAP}
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12
Last night’s finale was beyond words. I honestly don’t even know where to begin because everything about it was so unromantic and the complete opposite of what the show and opportunity is about. This is a hard one to put into words because deep down to the core Juan Pablo does mean well and is a good person to those he befriends. From witnessing his dating life and interactions with the women there is definitely more to him that friends most likely would never see.



These last dates are supposed to be extremely special and intimate in order to focus on the relationship at hand and know what the future would look like with that person. Questions have to be asked and concerns have to be addressed in order to make a decision and be confident in that decision. It’s not like what kind of topping you want on your ice-cream or who will be a fun hookup for a night. This is a life changing and important decision that must have got lost in translation on Juan’s part because (from what we saw) questions were never asked that would have helped him know the ladies more or know if they would be right for him.

This was shown when he had a silent moment to tell Clare anything in that helicopter and what he said was that he “doesn’t feel like he knows her or that she knows him well enough” along with an inappropriate comment I’m glad they didn’t share, although I’m actually really curious to know. Will we ever find out? I highly doubt it.

I’m fine with the fact that maybe Juan isn’t an expressive person in general or doesn’t like to share emotion or compliments because there are many men that are the same way and I definitely don’t hate him for being himself. It is that the entire aspect of being the lead on ‘The Bachelor’ or ‘The Bachelorette’ is to allow viewers to follow along on your journey to find love. A lead can’t be close-minded or afraid to open up because that’s when all hope is lost and it becomes hard to watch. He holds no regard to the lack of validation shown to these women that he supposedly liked and for that I feel bad for all parties involved. He is not a bad person at all but maybe wasn’t the best fit for a position that consisted of sharing feelings.

My heart went out to Clare as he broke hers but I am so glad that she was able to get the closure she needed by standing up for herself. She is a beautiful woman and I truly hope she finds a man that will love her for all that she is, and not demean her by focusing only on her looks. All the best Clare, you deserve it!

I completely understand the time frame is short on the show and in most cases people don’t get to the “I love you” phase till at least 3-6 months in, but with that said this is NOT a normal situation. Every date or moment together is accelerated in the fact that you don’t have any distractions and the conversations pass the typical BS from night one and get straight to the point. That is why this opportunity works and why I have found Chris and other past relationships have worked out as well.

It was really hard to watch Juan give Nikki the final rose without telling her anything that would indicate stronger feelings for her. I don’t feel that he should be forced to say that he loves her if he doesn’t feel it because then that would definitely feel and be insincere, but at the same time more romantic or loving words weren’t expressed before she accepted the rose and for that I was a bit disappointed. It could be that it is difficult for him to articulate his feelings since the English words may not come to him but even then I’m not sure. She deserved to hear more than what he gave her regardless of if it was in English or in Spanish.

As much as it was uncomfortable to watch from the safety and comfort of your home, experiencing the conversations and defense on the hot seat at AFR was more than I could handle. I have been in Juan Pablo’s shoes so I understand that having so many opinions swirl around about you and having no privacy is very difficult and the last thing you want to do is re-hash everything that happened months ago. Although it’s extremely hard to go through, there is at no point where anyone in that position should be ungrateful or disrespectful to those that brought them there. There is obviously animosity between Juan and his feelings towards the show that was clearly expressed in his interactions with Chris Harrison. It’s truly too bad that it couldn’t have been a better experience for everyone.

As for the happy couple, I do wish them all the best. Everyone will have their opinion, but in the end if Juan Pablo and Nikki are happy in their relationship and can look past the negativity that will surround them for a little while then that is ALL that matters. No one is to judge or make them feel bad for ‘loving’ or ‘really liking’ each other. Relationships are meant as a way to learn and grow with each other so I hope everyone who reads this can refrain from blasting negative remarks to Nikki & Juan Pablo and allow them the time to grow naturally. To each its’ own.



On a better note… Andi is the NEW BACHELORETTE!! and I couldn’t be more excited for her. I was able to talk to her a little bit last night and my only hope is that she comes out of this with the love of her life as a happily engaged woman! Blessings and prayers to her as she meets her 25 eligible men. Good luck Andi!


Very well written Des! She received a lot of compliments on this. Not sure if Chris will address the ATFR in his "corner" or not.

Really enjoyed hearing Des' perspective. She knows Juan Pablo and the franchise. I think she choose her words well.

california90 wrote:Des & Chris are still ooozing with cuteness. Gosh darn.

yes they are!!... true love does look great on them!...   

Couldn't agree more with Des on this part:

It was really hard to watch Juan give Nikki the final rose without telling her anything that would indicate stronger feelings for her. I don’t feel that he should be forced to say that he loves her if he doesn’t feel it because then that would definitely feel and be insincere, but at the same time more romantic or loving words weren’t expressed before she accepted the rose and for that I was a bit disappointed. It could be that it is difficult for him to articulate his feelings since the English words may not come to him but even then I’m not sure. She deserved to hear more than what he gave her regardless of if it was in English or in Spanish.

That part of the finale was so quick, as if JP was rushing through it. You would think he would've prepared (with help if needed) something sweet to say to Nikki. Tell her why he wasn't proposing, but also tell her why he wants her in his life in better terms. It just seemed blunt and over with quickly.

It's hard to compare a man who isn't quite there yet, to the words Chris said to Des last year, but they were perfection.  :pinkaw: 

Personal request (after seeing an earlier post quoted on this page):  please do be careful not to make subtle jabs at other couples.  I ragged on another board about doing that a few days ago, so it is only fair that I say the same here.  You can celebrate what you like about a couple without having to imply something negative about different ones.  There are many, many members on this board who are truly happy for every unique couple that somehow survives this show, and while they are all unique individuals with their own unique pros and cons, people like me don't see (or want to see) any as better than others.  We get really uncomfortable seeing comparisons and feeling like there is a contest.

dw_a_mom wrote:Really enjoyed hearing Des' perspective.  She knows Juan Pablo and the franchise.  I think she choose her words well.

T4P soccermom!!... ITA dw_a_mom. I think there was some reasons why they didnt questioning Chres the other night. JPab and Chris-Des are friends..Des and Chris are also very thoughtful with their words. Im afraid when Chres open their mouth with positive remarks, people will be siding JPab and Nikki (or at least remains neutral), instead of the desired effect TPTB wanted.