Episode 7 -- Miami -- airs Feb 17

Iluvbachette wrote:Everyone looks at things differently. I applaud Nikki for getting up and removing herself from a conversation she didn't want to be part of. What I felt from Clare was that "NO ONE WALKS AWAY WHEN SHE IS SPEAKING". She immediately gave me the feeling that "she is queen bee and should be respected as such". For me Clare going after Nikki was what I call badgering, nit picky what ever you want to call it. I would of said "enough is enough, I don't care to discuss it anymore with you. You can leave now".

Not everyone likes everyone. But we don't have to stay and have our friends picked on either. It's like you sit there and listen to what I have to say and don't move or say a word. Totally bs in my eyes. Nikki did the right thing.

  

The comments that Nikki made and then Clare reacted to we're not insulting or bitchy and certainly did not warrant Clare running upstairs demanding respect blah blah

And yes .. Clare did have that lost in space expression on her face at the time

Either way, Clare and Nikki both have issues. They both believe they "peed" on Juan Pablo. Clare with her "I deserve something amazing" and "We got through this together" and Nikki with her "MY boyfriend" and "Obviously Im going to get a rose attitude". They're near the same level of unappealing and insufferable, especially when put together. They're more alike then they think...It takes one to know one. I hope that nobody ends up with anybody this season. They should all go their seperate ways and be done with it.

Clare was the instigator in that whole little scene. She could have just let Nikki go upstairs and they might have both cooled down. I had to laugh at:

Nikki: You can just excuse yourself from my room.
Clare: Did you pay for it?
Nikki: Do you sleep in here?
Clare: Did you pay for it?
Nikki: Do you sleep in here?

Sorry, but that just made me laugh out loud!!!   

 

eversotrue wrote:Either way, Clare and Nikki both have issues. They both believe they "peed" on Juan Pablo. Clare with her "I deserve something amazing" and "We got through this together" and Nikki with her "MY boyfriend" and "Obviously Im going to get a rose attitude". They're near the same level of unappealing and insufferable, especially when put together. They're more alike then they think...It takes one to know one. I hope that nobody ends up with anybody this season. They should all go their seperate ways and be done with it.

    My thoughts exactly.

relaxing wrote: 

eversotrue wrote:Either way, Clare and Nikki both have issues. They both believe they "peed" on Juan Pablo. Clare with her "I deserve something amazing" and "We got through this together" and Nikki with her "MY boyfriend" and "Obviously Im going to get a rose attitude". They're near the same level of unappealing and insufferable, especially when put together. They're more alike then they think...It takes one to know one. I hope that nobody ends up with anybody this season. They should all go their seperate ways and be done with it.

     My thoughts exactly.

Sorry but I totally disagree.

I re-watched the scene to have a better knowledge of what was said with all the expressions on the face.

Clearly for me, Clare was the instigator of the fight. Not only Nikki tried to avoid further confrontation, but when Clare kept on bullying her, she defended herself. Good for her !
In no way I see Nikki having issues. Only Clare has.

sde1041 wrote:

relaxing wrote: 

eversotrue wrote:Either way, Clare and Nikki both have issues. They both believe they "peed" on Juan Pablo. Clare with her "I deserve something amazing" and "We got through this together" and Nikki with her "MY boyfriend" and "Obviously Im going to get a rose attitude". They're near the same level of unappealing and insufferable, especially when put together. They're more alike then they think...It takes one to know one. I hope that nobody ends up with anybody this season. They should all go their seperate ways and be done with it.

     My thoughts exactly.

Sorry but I totally disagree.

I re-watched the scene to have a better knowledge of what was said with all the expressions on the face.

Clearly for me, Clare was the instigator of the fight. Not only Nikki tried to avoid further confrontation, but when Clare kept on bullying her, she defended herself. Good for her !



In no way I see Nikki having issues. Only Clare has.

Thank goodness we all have our own opinions…..and we see things differently…life would be boring if we saw everything black and white.

I wasn't just talking about the "fight". Im referring to other situations as well. They both have acted catty and mean and immature various times. You love Nikki, you love Nikki...you hate Clare, you hate Clare but they're both at fault for many/different reasons...even if you all make many cases (for Nikki) to prove that she's not.

Longhornfan wrote:

But, why did Chelsie or whoever it was that called up to Nikki, letting her know that they were back from their group date, invite her to come down and join them on the couch....since none of the three of them were particularly close her?  Knowing full well what Nikki's reaction would most likely be (upon finding out that Andi would be getting a hometown date), what did they expect to happen?  

Most likely: producer prompt

It works both ways. Clare fans are also likely to be biased in her favor. It's not just those who think Nikki's the f1 or like her better.  

IA that neither are perfect. Nikki tends to be snarky and shuts down around those she doesn't care about. She's accused of being negative but we really haven't seen that. Most of her flippant comments about Clare are in PI's and not directed to her. Clare seems to be self centered and can dish it out but doesn't seem to be able to take it. Not leaving Nikki's room was extremely juvenile. Clare's biggest problem is not Nikki, it's how she handles herself. I don't see JP wanting someone who's overly emotional.

albean99 wrote:It works both ways. Clare fans are also likely to be biased in her favor. It's not just those who think Nikki's the f1 or like her better.  

IA that neither are perfect. Nikki tends to be snarky and shuts down around those she doesn't care about. She's accused of being negative but we really haven't seen that. Most of her flippant comments about Clare are in PI's and not directed to her. Clare seems to be self centered and can dish it out but doesn't seem to be able to take it. Not leaving Nikki's room was extremely juvenile.  Clare's biggest problem is not Nikki, it's how she handles herself. I don't see JP wanting someone who's overly emotional.

That's what I finally had to come to is that some are going to think Nikki is a fault and some are going to think Clare is at fault. For me, there is absolutely NOTHING that I like about Clare......oh I take that back, I think she is physically beautiful but that's it. I don't think Nikki is perfect. She is definitely snarky. But she definitely isn't the only one who has been snarky. I was trying to think who hasn't been at all......maybe Sharleen, Renee......seriously those are the only two I can think of that haven't made one negative comment about anyone.....that's a small group. I don't know what all this negativity is that Chelsea and Elise have been talking about. She isn't being negative........when she got the date in Miami, she is just joking around about am I going to have to dance again.....IT WAS JOKING AROUND FOLKS......it was feeling awkward. Even last night at the rose ceremony Nikki was EXTREMELY uncomfortable due to the argument with Clare. Everyone wants to say she was being bitchy......she was just massively uncomfortable and I would have been the same way.

IDC about this defending and looking past, honestly. About any of the girls. How they behaved/spoke on the show was something to take notice of...in a negative way ofcourse. They both need to work on their attitude and that's that. Im sure this situation of being on television hightened their emotions but it's done now. They might as well start from scratch. You all have opinions. I DO like Nikki and Clare to a certain extent and I know most of you like Nikki and dislike Clare. I dont really care for Andi either way. She's not boring but she's not exciting either. She's just there for me. Im neutral on her. Renee is sweet but that's about it and Chelsie is super cute and upbeat but can be tooo much at times. I LOVEEEEE Sharleen and I know that is a very unpopular  opinion. Different strokes for different folks but that's the greatness of it. I still believe Nikki was truly at fault for the way she acts/says/behaves at times but ya'll are set in stone with your opinion that she doesn't do anything wrong....(other the Clare family comment).