Re: *No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Media Thread

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‘Bachelor’ Juan Pablo Betrayed: Woman He Gave FINAL Rose To Sharing Full Frontal Nude Photo Of Him With Friends
Posted on Feb 7, 2014 @ 3:18AM | By Amber Ryland - News Editor


There’s a reason you shouldn’t send nude photos to your significant other, and The Bachelor star Juan Pablo Galavis is about to find out why — because a source claims the show’s winner is already passing around nude photos of the hunky bachelor, and RadarOnline.com has all the exclusive details.

While the 27 women originally vying for Pablo’s affection on the hit ABC show is slowly dwindling, the woman who ultimately gets the final rose is already bragging to friends about her new beau by texting photos of his genitals, claims one pal who was on the receiving end.

Radar has chosen not to name the woman as it would serve only as a major spoiler to those watching Season 18 of The Bachelor.

The reality TV contestant is fully nude in the photo with an erect penis — a photo that Radar has seen from a friend of the contestant who claims it’s Juan — and it has been verified that it came from a cell phone registered to the woman that the 32-year-old reportedly chooses as his final rose recipient.

Pablo famously gave an interview at the beginning of the season in which he called homosexuals “more pervert” and said at the prospect of a gay or bisexual contestant featured on the show, “I don’t think it is a good example for kids to watch that on TV.”

Now, many will likely argue that Pablo sending nude photos of his genitals is in fact perverse!

The former soccer pro first appeared on The Bachelorette last May and after being eliminated by Desiree Hartsock it was announced in August that Juan would be the first ethnic star of The Bachelor ever.

After weeding through a bevy of women, the nude photo comes as a stunning betrayal from the woman who reportedly won the Bachelor‘s heart.

Speaking of betrayal, as Radar reported in December, court documents exposed that the single father who touts his strong relationship with his daughter was once a deadbeat dad.

The blue-eyed heartthrob was ordered by a judge to pay back child support to the tune of $3,574.57 in May 2011 – more than two years after his daughter, with then-girlfriend and Latina actress Carla Rodriguez, was born.

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Keep in mind this site is only claiming that there is a F1, that doesn't have to be true. I wonder though what JP would tell Camila....

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‘Bachelor’ Juan Pablo Betrayed: Woman He Gave FINAL Rose To Sharing Full Frontal Nude Photo Of Him With Friends
Posted on Feb 7, 2014 @ 3:18AM | By Amber Ryland - News Editor


There’s a reason you shouldn’t send nude photos to your significant other, and The Bachelor star Juan Pablo Galavis is about to find out why — because a source claims the show’s winner is already passing around nude photos of the hunky bachelor, and RadarOnline.com has all the exclusive details.

While the 27 women originally vying for Pablo’s affection on the hit ABC show is slowly dwindling, the woman who ultimately gets the final rose is already bragging to friends about her new beau by texting photos of his genitals, claims one pal who was on the receiving end.

Radar has chosen not to name the woman as it would serve only as a major spoiler to those watching Season 18 of The Bachelor.

The reality TV contestant is fully nude in the photo with an erect penis — a photo that Radar has seen from a friend of the contestant who claims it’s Juan — and it has been verified that it came from a cell phone registered to the woman that the 32-year-old reportedly chooses as his final rose recipient.

Pablo famously gave an interview at the beginning of the season in which he called homosexuals “more pervert” and said at the prospect of a gay or bisexual contestant featured on the show, “I don’t think it is a good example for kids to watch that on TV.”

Now, many will likely argue that Pablo sending nude photos of his genitals is in fact perverse!

The former soccer pro first appeared on The Bachelorette last May and after being eliminated by Desiree Hartsock it was announced in August that Juan would be the first ethnic star of The Bachelor ever.

After weeding through a bevy of women, the nude photo comes as a stunning betrayal from the woman who reportedly won the Bachelor‘s heart.

Speaking of betrayal, as Radar reported in December, court documents exposed that the single father who touts his strong relationship with his daughter was once a deadbeat dad.

The blue-eyed heartthrob was ordered by a judge to pay back child support to the tune of $3,574.57 in May 2011 – more than two years after his daughter, with then-girlfriend and Latina actress Carla Rodriguez, was born.

...and again

Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source! Consider the source!

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Of course, at this point it is just a "rumor". On the other hand, RadarOnline is famous for obtaining nudes and then running it, so we shall see...

I wonder whether it'd affect ratings... Probably not.

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Soooo.... Clare is not F1? Juan is with nobody? Juan picked somebody else and she's throwing him under the bus? Well... it is certainly what Mike Fleiss wants you to think at this point of the season. Is it true? Needless-to-say, the whole interview is too nebulous to be certain of anything just yet. Keep in mind that these contestants are well coached not to reveal anything. When Courtney Robertson appeared on Ben's Women Tell All show, she stated she "cared for him" but couldn't say she was either F1 or that they had split for a couple weeks and Harrison would have to reunite them at ATFR. We do have a variety of scenarios here to work with... she is not F1... or she was F1 and they broke up... or they are still together, but she is stating that Juan is wrong in what he did yet they are moving past it. Hard call here, but could be any one.

Let's see...

THE BACHELOR -- Transcript for 2/6 call with Clare
TRANSCRIPT FROM THE FEBRUARY 6
“THE BACHELOR” TELECONFERENCE
WITH CLARE

Clare Crawley:      Yes.  Definitely.  I, first of all, I’m thankful to have this opportunity to even talk about this because I don’t think that it was made clear by anybody that that’s not what happened.  And I don’t want that to be – I mean, I don’t want that incident to be anything equivocal. (meaning: open to more than one interpretation; ambiguous) And so I do want to say that that’s not what happened.  That was not my intention going into it.  And as well as everybody in that situation knows that that’s not what happened.  So …

in the moment he was into it; I was into it.  It was a mutual, innocent, having fun in the ocean.

                            I was doing something that was on my bucket list.  And I don’t regret it – to this second I don’t regret it.  Even after this outcome and all the questions and regrets and, you know, kind of discussions over it and tears.  It’s – I still don’t regret it because you’re swimming in the ocean, living in the moment, and falling in love.

                            I can only stand up for my intentions into it.  Whether he was having different emotions after that, I couldn’t control that.  But at the time, we both were into it.

OK. Even though she speaks in past tense, this is precisely how she was coached. Same with Kelly and others on their interviews. You can only speak of what happened up to the time of the last episode. Therefore, we can not simply say "it is over" because she "was" falling in love instead of "am in love".

Gina Scarpa:         And I was wondering if it was more difficult for you in that initial moment or having to watch it back so many months later?

...the conversation between you two.

Clare Crawley:      I think both then and now I didn’t understand where it was coming from.  Like I said, I still don’t regret it.  And so we did nothing wrong.  And when it’s a mutual thing, you don’t – and like I said as well in that episode, why didn’t you tell me then?

I still suspect that Juan was pushed by a handler to cool things off with her, so... no... she couldn't understand the point of it.

And I don’t know.  I think I wish in the moment and even now that I would have been a little bit more verbal.  And you’ll see in the future episode – the next episode – that I stand up for myself.  And I take pride in that.  And sometimes I can be sensitive about things but I wish – it’s hard not saying me stand up more for myself, I guess, in the moment of that talk.

... and all of this will be taken care of once Clare speaks her mind. Juan may have learned his lesson.... or not. We shall see.

… to say why he thought it was wrong.  And all the reasons that he described and all the reasons that he said to me was – it was his daughter was the example.  He didn’t want his daughter seeing that.  But as you saw earlier in the evening, he took me back to his suite to go swimming in the pool.  If anything, that – to me – is a little bit more questionable.  And …

Heaven forbid if Camilla climbs into bed when Juan is not alone... gasp!

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Clare Crawley:      So it was very unclear.  There was no line drawn and he also used the explanation that he didn’t feel like it was fair to the other women.  And my thoughts on that were, basically, that that’s kind of why I went away.

Oh Clare, Clare, Clare... now he has to be fair to the other women and "suck face" equally in waterfalls and in giant bubbles.

And, first of all, it wasn’t four in the morning.  I wanted to make that clear.  It wasn’t four in the morning.

Evan Real:             Oh, really?

Clare Crawley:      But – correct, yes.  I – it was late but it wasn’t four in the morning.  It – he was saying it was taking away time from the other women or it wasn’t fair for the other women.  But that’s why I did go away was because I didn’t want to take away time from the other women.  (It wasn’t) involved with the other women.

                            And we were all – every woman has the same opportunities, the same chances that I have.

Hmmmm... interesting. Does this mean that the fish ain't bitin' the bait this season?

Clare Crawley:      And anybody could’ve done that.  Anybody could’ve had a feel in a moment.  I just happened to have been the one that said, “I’ve never swam in the ocean and it’s on my bucket list.”  And it was something that I wanted to do with or without him to be quite honest.

                            And I had even – the day prior – invited the girls to go do it with me because, again, I had never swam in the ocean.  So I just – I guess the line wasn’t clear …

Oh Clare, Clare, Clare... I have the feeling you wouldn't be doing all that we saw with the other ladies that you were doing with Juan.

Clare Crawley:      I’m – I think, at the end of the day, we’re all human.  And we’re allowed to make mistakes.  We’re allowed to change our mind.  We’re allowed to feel conflicted and the thing that makes this hard is that it’s on national television.

Bingo! She has forgiven Juan for what happened a couple months ago. It is simply part of The Story. They just need to make the public less upset at what they are seeing NOW in the season.

And I think somehow there’s that interpretation like you’re not allowed to change your mind or you’re not allowed to make mistakes.  And, I don’t know, I just – it’s definitely, definitely a struggle with him, I think.  And I just think that if you’re going to be entering into something of this nature, you want to know exactly what you want, and exactly what you’re looking for, and exactly your boundaries, and exactly your integrity.

Bottom line, Juan has to sure about this promo line: "this is what I want, this is what I need", since there are never shots of Little Camilla during any of these lines... just him sucking face with women.

Sssssssssssssoooooooo... does Juan change his way of thinking in future episodes of this show? Does the Leo admit he's wrong? (Don't take it personally, all of you Leos reading this. I know you are always right and won't try to argue... LOL! You are the kings and queens of the zodiac.)

Have that all set up so you don’t have regrets, so you don’t have questions and feel wishy-washy.  You want to feel solid on what you want.  And that goes for even if you’re not on TV.  If your saying you’re ready to go into a serious relationship, you need to have it clear what you’re looking for and what you want.  Otherwise it just makes for some really confusing times and that’s not easy for anybody.

Confusing times, but not necessarily the end of the world.

Evan Real:             And that’s what you, like, think has happened to Juan (in this situation) – to Juan Pablo.

Clare Crawley:      That he got conflicted? / Yes. / And that’s OK.  He’s allowed to do that.  It makes for difficult times, for sure.

He's allowed to make mistakes. Creates difficulty though.

I am skipping all of the catfight discussions. Yeah, Clare was OK with everybody. They each helped out with their clothes and nails. Big deal.

Next up...

And, again, they had the same opportunities that I had.  And also, I think that it takes two to partake in something.  I can’t just grab his hand and him have this limp, limp hand.

I have a Freudian comment about that one, but I will refrain myself.

I, as strange as this sounds, it wasn’t competition.  I know that’s probably cheesy to say but I felt like it’s not a competition.  You can’t – it’s not like the best wins.  It’s more so you can’t even make something happen.  You can’t make a connection happen.  You can’t make chemistry happen.  It’s who he chooses and who works for him.  And what he’s attracted to and what he likes.

We just have to see who he is attracted to besides Clare. Andi, Sharleen or Nikki perhaps? His ex? He certainly ENJOYED Clare in the scenes I was watching.

Lori Peters: It sounds – like, when you first went to Juan Pablo, it seems like you were upset and sad.  And now it sounds like you’re very angry.  What’s your real feelings?

Clare Crawley:      I’m not angry at all; I’ll tell you that.  I just – this is my time to say my part in it.  And, again, I just – I’m more so just want the reality of it to be out there and the truth to be out there instead of the, kind of, short clips that people are seeing.  I want to be able to elaborate on that.

Like Diamonds + Hearts, give us a hint that not all we saw on TV was as real as the editors made it to be.

Lesley Messer:     I don’t know if you’ve read some of the blogs but actually Juan Pablo has taken a lot of heat for what happened on last week’s episode and people have said everything from, “He’s a bad guy,” to “He’s anti-feminist.”  So did the whole situation change your perspective of who he is as a person and is there anything you want to say about Juan Pablo?

Clare Crawley:      I don’t think I can speak really for how he explained things.  I’m not one that’s personally into all the blogs and Twitter and all that.  I try but I’m – it’s just not my thing.  I’m usually the one’s that’s not on my phone, not on my computer.  I’m out doing things and so I don’t pay too much attention to it but at the same time I don’t put too much weight on it.

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Lesley Messer:     Great.  And the other thing is, you know, obviously this is a mutual decision.  He’s picking – he’s choosing what woman is right for him and you also then have to decide if he’s right for you.  So did this situation sort of give you pause about him at all or change the way you looked at him?

Clare Crawley:      In Vietnam it definitely caught me off guard.  And I think it definitely set me back and took me back into my mind and took me out of my heart.  And what happened in the ocean and that whole day on the Vietnam date I was living in my heart and my heart feelings.

                            And it sent me back to that little hamster wheel that goes on in your brain.  Like, should I do this?  Shouldn’t I do this?  It makes you question things more and it was something that I didn’t want to do.  I didn’t want to have to question everything.

                            And so, going into the show, I felt like I’m going to put it all out there.  I’m going to be 100 percent me.  If he likes it, awesome.  If he doesn’t, that’s OK.  And at the end of the day, I knew everything was going to work out how it was supposed to.

                            And I just think that it definitely put me back in my mind – my brain, not in my heart.  So that I didn’t like because, like I said, I was going whole-heartedly into this.

Nothing needs explained here. Absolutely no sign that it is over with them if... if... IF... he chose her. Anybody think differently with these words? Am I not reading these lines correctly?

Gabrielle Olya:       I know you said that, you know, he could’ve let you go home even if you had the rose but did it ever cross your mind – after he kind of, you know, almost shamed you – that you felt like you wanted to go home on your own or that you just wanted to leave at that point?  Did that ever cross your mind?

Clare Crawley:      It definitely crossed my mind.  What had crossed my mind, after everything happened at the rose ceremony and after we had even gone back to the hotel, I was thinking I want somebody in my life that is positive in my life.  And somebody that makes my life better.  Because I’ve already had – I have a great life and love is what I came into this show looking for.

                            And so part of that is loving you for your imperfections, loving you for your little mistakes and loving you for your good and bad.

Even when they say gay bachelors are "perverted". Juan is screwing up every time he opens his trap. He has to stick to The Language Of Luv.

I blame it on his father. As he told Sharleen in Korea, Daddy just dumped him in an American school with hardly any English under his belt.

Gabrielle Olya:       And what made you want to stay?

Clare Crawley:      What made me want to stay was that real relationships go through ups and downs.  I think the key to them is talking things out and working through problems. And life isn’t always wonderful.  And so you want to be able to be with somebody that you can work things out with and, at the end of the day, you can fight it out and then you embrace each other and hold each other and get through it together.

Obviously we have to see what happens in a forthcoming episode. Either Clare and Juan do or they don't.

And shows that strength in somebody I think and I didn’t want to give up on him because I wouldn’t want somebody to give up on me that easily.

Shari Von Holten:  (Harrison) had mentioned on his blog that he had suggested to Juan Pablo to maybe wait a few days before speaking to you about the incident.  And actually Juan Pablo mentioned on his blog the same thing.  But do you think you would have felt better about the incident if Juan Pablo had waited before talking to you about it?

Clare Crawley:      I don’t know if waiting is the answer that would’ve made me feel better about it.  I think his manner on how he spoke to me and what he said to me and the words that he used to me – say it at any point.  Say it as soon as you feel it or wait a couple days that wasn’t the issue for me.  It was how he approached it and the words he used and how he made me feel when he used those words.  And that’s what I had more of the problem with.

Just delete it. Just delete it. Press the delete button!

Beth Kwiatkowski:      So Chris Harrison said in an interview this week that, despite Juan Pablo’s apology to you after the ocean incident, he thought he made you feel cheap and was even borderline rude to you.  And I guess Juan Pablo didn’t really see that perspective.  I guess he didn’t really care.

                            So, I guess, what’s your response to that and do you agree with Chris Harrison?

Clare Crawley:      I do agree with Chris Harrison.  I think, at the end of the day, it’s you’re delivery on what you say.  And I don’t think that’s a language barrier.  I think it’s how you choose to make a woman feel and I think it’s how sensitive you approach a topic, especially something involving – I don’t know.  I just – you shouldn’t make women cry.

                            Whether it’s right or wrong or whether you feel good about it, you shouldn’t make a woman cry.  And it was – it was pretty bad at the time.  It was pretty bad.  It made me feel awful.

She's long been over it, but remembers the feelings at the time.

Beth Kwiatkowski:      OK.  Got it.  And, you know, going back to how he actually invited you to swim in the pool at his own suite, how long were you two away from the group at that point?  And would the thought have ever crossed your mind of swimming in the ocean had Juan Pablo not invited you to his suite first?  Like, did that kind of lead into the ocean swim?

Clare Crawley:      We were probably around the – we were away from the girls for about 20 minutes probably, which wasn’t unheard of because he pulls aside women for different amounts of time.  But if we hadn’t gone back to his suite, I think that was just a separate (entity).  I think it made me feel a lot more comfortable with asking him and I thought we were on the same page with that.

Posted something on the screencap thread. Now I know I was wrong. They really did go to the pool DURING the date and not afterward... and the editors were fooling us.


Skipping all of the kissing talk...and more rehashing of the same ol' same ol. This is the only line that gives me pause:

Life’s not always easy so you just have to work through things.  And at that time, I wanted to be there.

She uses past tense again... and I am not sure if this, again, is just what she's coached to do so... discuss only "up to the last episode" or does she not want to be there later? Actually the line preceding it indicates what she planned to do so that she still wanted to be there.

Lesley Messer:     Hi, Clare.  You mentioned before that he was – that Juan Pablo was making excuses.  Do you think, in this case, he was using his daughter as an excuse?

Clare Crawley:      I think an excuse – yes, I do.  I do at that time.  And maybe at that time he didn’t know exactly what he was feeling and he just felt bad about it.  But, again, we swam in his pool in his room and that, to me, was more questionable than swimming in the ocean.

                            And so that was my struggle.  I didn’t understand that.

WAS her struggle.

Now... whether they got over it and became a couple or got over it and moved on, with Juan choosing somebody else, is another question.

After all...

Clare Crawley:      I was more so thinking that I wanted to stay feeling in my heart and I still wanted to follow my heart.  I didn’t want to be back thinking in my brain.  I wanted to be back feeling my heart.

                            And I needed to do that.  And I want to do that in any relationship.  I want to completely feel.  And that’s why I came on such an extreme level in putting myself out there on a show like this is that I was ready and willing to completely put my heart into it.  And that was more so my fear (Ugh! That word again!) – I didn’t want to revert back to thinking in my brain and those silly relationships that you just worry about and worry about and worry about.

                            I didn’t want that.  I can find that in Sacramento or anywhere else.  I didn’t want that.  I wanted to put myself into a situation with a man who wanted the same thing as me.  And it did make me question a little bit because I thought we were on the same page.

That last line is past tense. She does not say she is STILL questioning, just that "it did make me question" at that time.

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I can't get over how hilarious it is that Clare keeps saying swimming in the ocean is on her bucket list.  I thought maybe I misheard her about that in the episode since I didn't see anyone mention it. But she's still saying it.  

She lives in California!  She's never been to the ocean in 30 some years?  Never take a drive to the beach?  Either this is just a big fat silly lie or to me is sooooo weird.    

I vote for "soooo weird." She also said she had never taken vacation before in her ABC profile cause always working. Now that is just sad when she lives in a state that is a top vacation destination in itself plus close to the tropical beaches of Mexico and Hawaii. Southern California beaches are awesome for body surfing.

Girl needs to live a little!!!

I vote weird too. She also basically said she didn't have a boyfriend in the last decade. She may be over reacting, both with the bliss and distress because she is just so inexperienced in life. It's really kinda of sad to be 32 and not have had more experiences in life.

The nude photo of JP is making me laugh. Lordy, what a mess this is becoming! I'm with umngirl. Will be shocked if he is still with his F1. The only reason to show your friends that photo is to laugh about what a tool he is for sending it. I bet he is regretting doing this show.

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‘Bachelor’ Juan Pablo Betrayed: Woman He Gave FINAL Rose To Sharing Full Frontal Nude Photo Of Him With Friends
Posted on Feb 7, 2014 @ 3:18AM | By Amber Ryland - News Editor


There’s a reason you shouldn’t send nude photos to your significant other, and The Bachelor star Juan Pablo Galavis is about to find out why — because a source claims the show’s winner is already passing around nude photos of the hunky bachelor, and RadarOnline.com has all the exclusive details.


Now, many will likely argue that Pablo sending nude photos of his genitals is in fact perverse!

Love their play on words, making you think Juan is sending multiple shots of himself to more than just his woman. They sure have me confused here! As he says... "This is what I want... this is what I need." "He's husband material!" Cue shot of him playing with the champagne bottle.

At this point, does anybody besides Little Camilla really care anymore? Granted, most of us have different hobbies... and Catherine kept her robe over her ta-ta when she posed for Sean's Consummation Station Portfolio. To each their own, I always say.

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I do hope the media posts keep flowing through here. Each article and interview is more entertaining than the last.

[nd4reality]

How could she be F1 after all she has said here ?

Agree, this certainly raises significant doubt in my mind...unless she was F1 and they are kaput.

Since this interview seems to be done with TPTB's blessing, the throwing Juan-under-the-bus continues. It seems more and more likely in my mind that Juan is single no matter who he picked as F1.

While I don't agree with your first statement  I do about the second. They are throwing their lead under the bus and while I have seen them doing it in the past also this is  more than usual. Seems like tptb allowed Clare to say anything  during that interview because she was going full throttle without holding back except she did not let out explicitly what the ending was.

ETA : Clare seemed so upset and indignant about that whole situation, yet she swallowed her pride and chose to stay on the show still the end.
If she did in fact accept the final rose from JP and then break up with him because of said incident then she is more crazy than she already comes off both on the show and in this interview. Girl needs a reality check - away from a reality show.

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Can someone post the funny blogs/recaps that don't include spoilers please? TIA.

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Can someone post the funny blogs/recaps that don't include spoilers please? TIA.

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Can someone post the funny blogs/recaps that don't include spoilers please? TIA.

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Thanks Sprite... that was a good one. The comments section lead me to this one...

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