*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Edit Discussions

grace8136 wrote:

relaxing wrote:

soccermom333 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Did not say that Clare sounded angry. She still sounds upset by both the incident and how it came across. She is not over it and would have if they had plenty of time post show to talk things over together. All she would have clarified was that nothing happened in the water
(i.e. no sex) yet she chose to give her p.o.v of JPs reactions and how she felt.
She comes across as "a woman scorned".
The way she clarified what went on in Vietnam (other than the no sex declaration) makes it seem like she is not F1.

         That is why I wonder why she was allowed to do the interview.  

This is my biggest question too.  I thought she could be F1 until I read that interview.  Now no way I would believe it now.  Takes mystery out of the finale if she's in the F2 as it looks, because it will be hard for me to consider he might pick her after reading that.

Why are they being nice and caring that she doesn't like how it was portrayed and letting her both clear the air and make it seem pretty obvious (IMO) she's not the one. Not their usual way.  Makes me think they need to have a pleasant, trusting relationship with her now (post-show).

Or they've lost interest in the season. What are the ratings? Anyone know? What do you think Clare could have on them that they would sacrifice drama for a pleasant, trusting relationship?

nd4reality wrote:What is strange about the whole Clare incident is that she was upset about it then and is still upset about it now. At least that's how it comes across in her media interview. Yet she continued with the journey and apparently on the show got over it. So what got her riled up again now ? All she really needed to do is dispel the misconception that nothing happened like she very obviously insinuated on the show. Yet she chose to vent about the incident to the media as well. Seems like she still has unresolved feelings which is  a huge red flag in terms of her being F1.

Grace - in some interview JP was asked about his (potential) F1 moving etc. and he responded by saying that if he chose someone they would have to consider her career (paraphrasing here).  How much of a stretch would it be for a hairdresser to uproot her business and take it to a new location ? Not as much as say a lawyer, a nurse who both would have to re-qualify or even an opera singer.

Sprite wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

relaxing wrote:

soccermom333 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Did not say that Clare sounded angry. She still sounds upset by both the incident and how it came across. She is not over it and would have if they had plenty of time post show to talk things over together. All she would have clarified was that nothing happened in the water
(i.e. no sex) yet she chose to give her p.o.v of JPs reactions and how she felt.
She comes across as "a woman scorned".
The way she clarified what went on in Vietnam (other than the no sex declaration) makes it seem like she is not F1.

         That is why I wonder why she was allowed to do the interview.  

This is my biggest question too.  I thought she could be F1 until I read that interview.  Now no way I would believe it now.  Takes mystery out of the finale if she's in the F2 as it looks, because it will be hard for me to consider he might pick her after reading that.

Why are they being nice and caring that she doesn't like how it was portrayed and letting her both clear the air and make it seem pretty obvious (IMO) she's not the one. Not their usual way.  Makes me think they need to have a pleasant, trusting relationship with her now (post-show).

Or they've lost interest in the season. What are the ratings? Anyone know? What do you think Clare could have on them that they would sacrifice drama for a pleasant, trusting relationship?

Ratings have been surprisingly good. 8 million + each episode...fairly consistent...better that Sean's which had been the best in years.

grace8136 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:What is strange about the whole Clare incident is that she was upset about it then and is still upset about it now. At least that's how it comes across in her media interview. Yet she continued with the journey and apparently on the show got over it. So what got her riled up again now ? All she really needed to do is dispel the misconception that nothing happened like she very obviously insinuated on the show. Yet she chose to vent about the incident to the media as well. Seems like she still has unresolved feelings which is  a huge red flag in terms of her being F1.

Grace - in some interview JP was asked about his (potential) F1 moving etc. and he responded by saying that if he chose someone they would have to consider her career (paraphrasing here).  How much of a stretch would it be for a hairdresser to uproot her business and take it to a new location ? Not as much as say a lawyer, a nurse who both would have to re-qualify or even an opera singer.

One of our posters might have canceled out that statement, by saying that Clare may have ownership in a salon. That could take awhile, if true. Regardless the interview is more evidence for me that Clare is not the F1. The bitterness is apparent IMO. If she was the F1, she and JP would have been united in one mission. It was just a swim! Why make it more complicated otherwise?

Aunties_Love wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:What is strange about the whole Clare incident is that she was upset about it then and is still upset about it now. At least that's how it comes across in her media interview. Yet she continued with the journey and apparently on the show got over it. So what got her riled up again now ? All she really needed to do is dispel the misconception that nothing happened like she very obviously insinuated on the show. Yet she chose to vent about the incident to the media as well. Seems like she still has unresolved feelings which is  a huge red flag in terms of her being F1.

Grace - in some interview JP was asked about his (potential) F1 moving etc. and he responded by saying that if he chose someone they would have to consider her career (paraphrasing here).  How much of a stretch would it be for a hairdresser to uproot her business and take it to a new location ? Not as much as say a lawyer, a nurse who both would have to re-qualify or even an opera singer.

One of our posters might have canceled out that statement, by saying that Clare may have ownership in a salon. That could take awhile, if true. Regardless the interview is more evidence for me that Clare is not the F1. The bitterness is apparent IMO. If she was the F1, she and JP would have been united in one mission. It was just a swim! Why make it more complicated otherwise?

Just food for thought....what if Clare is actually the F1.  With all the chemistry between them, people were thinking as such, then they had to put this bump in the road to throw people off so that when it finishes, the viewers will be surprised.
Let's face it, with the comments that JP has made on twitter and interviews, this would look(and rightly so) that the two of them aren't together.  Meanwhile, she actually is the F1.  Wouldn't that be a "kicker"?

Aunties_Love wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:What is strange about the whole Clare incident is that she was upset about it then and is still upset about it now. At least that's how it comes across in her media interview. Yet she continued with the journey and apparently on the show got over it. So what got her riled up again now ? All she really needed to do is dispel the misconception that nothing happened like she very obviously insinuated on the show. Yet she chose to vent about the incident to the media as well. Seems like she still has unresolved feelings which is  a huge red flag in terms of her being F1.

Grace - in some interview JP was asked about his (potential) F1 moving etc. and he responded by saying that if he chose someone they would have to consider her career (paraphrasing here).  How much of a stretch would it be for a hairdresser to uproot her business and take it to a new location ? Not as much as say a lawyer, a nurse who both would have to re-qualify or even an opera singer.

One of our posters might have canceled out that statement, by saying that Clare may have ownership in a salon. That could take awhile, if true. Regardless the interview is more evidence for me that Clare is not the F1. The bitterness is apparent IMO. If she was the F1, she and JP would have been united in one mission. It was just a swim! Why make it more complicated otherwise?

Just food for thought....what if Clare is actually the F1.  With all the chemistry between them, people were thinking as such, then they had to put this bump in the road to throw people off so that when it finishes, the viewers will be surprised.
Let's face it, with the comments that JP has made on twitter and interviews, this would look(and rightly so) that the two of them aren't together.  Meanwhile, she actually is the F1.  Wouldn't that be a "kicker"?

Aunties_Love wrote:Just food for thought....what if Clare is actually the F1.  With all the chemistry between them, people were thinking as such, then they had to put this bump in the road to throw people off so that when it finishes, the viewers will be surprised.
Let's face it, with the comments that JP has made on twitter and interviews, this would look(and rightly so) that the two of them aren't together.  Meanwhile, she actually is the F1.  Wouldn't that be a "kicker"?

Aunties_Love wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:What is strange about the whole Clare incident is that she was upset about it then and is still upset about it now. At least that's how it comes across in her media interview. Yet she continued with the journey and apparently on the show got over it. So what got her riled up again now ? All she really needed to do is dispel the misconception that nothing happened like she very obviously insinuated on the show. Yet she chose to vent about the incident to the media as well. Seems like she still has unresolved feelings which is  a huge red flag in terms of her being F1.

Grace - in some interview JP was asked about his (potential) F1 moving etc. and he responded by saying that if he chose someone they would have to consider her career (paraphrasing here).  How much of a stretch would it be for a hairdresser to uproot her business and take it to a new location ? Not as much as say a lawyer, a nurse who both would have to re-qualify or even an opera singer.

One of our posters might have canceled out that statement, by saying that Clare may have ownership in a salon. That could take awhile, if true. Regardless the interview is more evidence for me that Clare is not the F1. The bitterness is apparent IMO. If she was the F1, she and JP would have been united in one mission. It was just a swim! Why make it more complicated otherwise?

Just food for thought....what if Clare is actually the F1.  With all the chemistry between them, people were thinking as such, then they had to put this bump in the road to throw people off so that when it finishes, the viewers will be surprised.
Let's face it, with the comments that JP has made on twitter and interviews, this would look(and rightly so) that the two of them aren't together.  Meanwhile, she actually is the F1.  Wouldn't that be a "kicker"?

nd4reality wrote:

JBF wrote:Don't try to read too-too much into these, but I do enjoy lining up certain promos together to see how each season's storyline is developing. Also check what tomfoolery the editors are up to. Hark! The Letter and Sean's sullen look!

One pattern I noticed is that the F1s are not shown in the best light in these, relationship-wise. Last season, F1 Chris (who had zero "trouble" with Des) is simply wrapped up in the James drama, with only a fleeting shot with her during the poetry scene. Catherine is dubbed "manipulative" by AshLee and Sean's FRC is an unhappy one thanks to The Letter. Jef is actually presented favorably in the beginning, but then gets into talk-behind-his-back "business" with Chris B. & Ryan B.

This season comes across  most like Brad 2.0 where Clare = Chantal with a eyebrow raising entrance, a strong attraction despite the entrance stunt, possessiveness and childishness and hence drama drama drama. That was a smokescreen for the "real" relationship that Brad was gung ho about from the very beginning.
Sorry that's how I am currently seeing it.

TA : That season Chantal was the spoiled by RS F1 and none could see anyone other than her including the VOs used during their 1on1 time (I want to take her/run) away etc. I don't know who he has spoiled this time and don't want to know yet but the read off that season is so similar to me.
When Chantal returned to the group after her 1on1 wearing just Brads shirt, she allowed everyone's imagination to run wild. Most said that was no way she is NOT F1 if he has "his way" with her in that shirt or less. The camera's showed them making out at the end of that date in next to nothing.  This time they did the kissy kissy in the water instead. Was that the same episode ? Possible 5 or 6 when she got her second 1on1. I think Brad did some backtracking and 'splainin in his blogs then also because his "real" f1 was already needing bucket loads of designer shoes to keep her happy.

nd4reality wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:What is strange about the whole Clare incident is that she was upset about it then and is still upset about it now. At least that's how it comes across in her media interview. Yet she continued with the journey and apparently on the show got over it. So what got her riled up again now ? All she really needed to do is dispel the misconception that nothing happened like she very obviously insinuated on the show. Yet she chose to vent about the incident to the media as well. Seems like she still has unresolved feelings which is  a huge red flag in terms of her being F1.

Grace - in some interview JP was asked about his (potential) F1 moving etc. and he responded by saying that if he chose someone they would have to consider her career (paraphrasing here).  How much of a stretch would it be for a hairdresser to uproot her business and take it to a new location ? Not as much as say a lawyer, a nurse who both would have to re-qualify or even an opera singer.

One of our posters might have canceled out that statement, by saying that Clare may have ownership in a salon. That could take awhile, if true. Regardless the interview is more evidence for me that Clare is not the F1. The bitterness is apparent IMO. If she was the F1, she and JP would have been united in one mission. It was just a swim! Why make it more complicated otherwise?

Just food for thought....what if Clare is actually the F1.  With all the chemistry between them, people were thinking as such, then they had to put this bump in the road to throw people off so that when it finishes, the viewers will be surprised.
Let's face it, with the comments that JP has made on twitter and interviews, this would look(and rightly so) that the two of them aren't together.  Meanwhile, she actually is the F1.  Wouldn't that be a "kicker"?

Grace - that is why I deliberately typed the word business because owning a salon means it is your business whereas just working in one is not. She has said that she has her own business in an interview. Which is still not too much of  a stretch to re-start life elsewhere. At least you don't have months  of studying to re-qualify.

Aunties - Yes that would be a kicker for sure.
I am still of the opinion that her overall tone and more importantly, what she chose to respond/comment on in this interview would have been different if she was basking in the glow of being victor this season.