Re: Final Rose Ceremony - Screencaps - Thread #2

[bilolo]

i never had any doubt that Brad would choose Emily as his final one omg it was so obvious to me

[Samantharose]

The only extra consideration Ashley has given JP is telling him about the Bent one first, and privately. Now that the latter is really gone, we'll have to look for clues if she starts giving either guy anything "extra".

ITA that in hindsight, it was obvious that Emily was always the one for Brad, once we understood what he was looking for- stunning, proper southern wife to put on a pedestal, who he would be in so much awe of that it would make him tongue-tied. Similarly, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Ashley's real deal could possibly be to make Ben the obvious better fit for her, despite what we've seen, and am so far coming up blank.

doesn't this kinda mirror Brad telling Em in epi 7 that she was getting a rose at the RC? I thought it spoke volumes that she really only cared about JPs reaction to the Bent Ones sitch - otherwise why not tell the other guys as well, and not after telling JP and seeing what HIS reaction was.

I think TPTB left that conversation in there for a reason. It was a serious conversation that most couples who've been together for a long time would struggle having. Look at some of the expressions she used. I feel so strongly for you. I want you to know the entire journey. I don't want to get down to the end and you ask me why I didn't tell you earlier. (paraphrasing)

[ironcat]

The only extra consideration Ashley has given JP is telling him about the Bent one first, and privately. Now that the latter is really gone, we'll have to look for clues if she starts giving either guy anything "extra".

ITA that in hindsight, it was obvious that Emily was always the one for Brad, once we understood what he was looking for- stunning, proper southern wife to put on a pedestal, who he would be in so much awe of that it would make him tongue-tied. Similarly, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Ashley's real deal could possibly be to make Ben the obvious better fit for her, despite what we've seen, and am so far coming up blank.

doesn't this kinda mirror Brad telling Em in epi 7 that she was getting a rose at the RC? I thought it spoke volumes that she really only cared about JPs reaction to the Bent Ones sitch - otherwise why not tell the other guys as well, and not after telling JP and seeing what HIS reaction was.

Oh, absolutely. Telling JP first wasn't only for his benefit, but for hers as well. Ashley picked the best possible way to tell him, when she could concentrate all her efforts on explaining how important it was that he understood why she wanted him to know; the setting helped him to accept the news graciously, which was the response she was hoping for from him. Singling him out to hear the news first assured him he really was special to her. Conversely, telling the guys in the group setting produced the opposite reaction. Although I suspect JP would have still handled things more serenely than most of the others had he been told along with them, despite the backlash and the disdain towards her the move generated from the guys and from viewers, ultimately it benefitted Ashley in the long run (provided she picked JP) by strengthening her bond with her fiance, and providing him with further assurance that he mattered more to her than any of the others.

OTOH, if she picked Ben, she has some 'splaining to do.

[bilolo]

HS : just wanted to tell you that i started watching the bachelor(ette) from Jillian's season and til now my pick was the lead's pick hahahah so cool

[Samantharose]

The only extra consideration Ashley has given JP is telling him about the Bent one first, and privately. Now that the latter is really gone, we'll have to look for clues if she starts giving either guy anything "extra".

ITA that in hindsight, it was obvious that Emily was always the one for Brad, once we understood what he was looking for- stunning, proper southern wife to put on a pedestal, who he would be in so much awe of that it would make him tongue-tied. Similarly, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Ashley's real deal could possibly be to make Ben the obvious better fit for her, despite what we've seen, and am so far coming up blank.

doesn't this kinda mirror Brad telling Em in epi 7 that she was getting a rose at the RC? I thought it spoke volumes that she really only cared about JPs reaction to the Bent Ones sitch - otherwise why not tell the other guys as well, and not after telling JP and seeing what HIS reaction was.

Oh, absolutely. Telling JP first wasn't only for his benefit, but for hers as well. Ashley picked the best possible way to tell him, when she could concentrate all her efforts on explaining how important it was that he understood why she wanted him to know; the setting helped him to accept the news graciously, which was the response she was hoping for from him. Singling him out to hear the news first assured him he really was special to her. Conversely, telling the guys in the group setting produced the opposite reaction. Although I suspect JP would have still handled things more serenely than most of the others had he been told along with them, despite the backlash and the disdain towards her the move generated from the guys and from viewers, ultimately it benefitted Ashley in the long run (provided she picked JP) by strengthening her bond with her fiance, and providing him with further assurance that he mattered more to her than any of the others.

OTOH, if she picked Ben, she has some 'splaining to do.

I think it also shows that not only do the have a physical connection but an emotional one. This was a very serious conversation that most couples that have been together some time would struggle with. jmo

[bing2262]

I saw Emily starting to win Brad's heart on Episode 3 (1-1 vineyard date ) and Brad completely in love by episode 7 in Anguilla. I saw JP starting to win Ashley's heart on Episode3 (1-1 pajama date)and Ashley completely falling in love w JP on episode 6 in HK.

Read the blogs of Brad and Ashley and you will see the BIG clues revealing their chosen ones.To me, the Lead's blogs reaffirmed my predictions of who will be the winner.

[CHO]

Just want to mention this - probably has no significance but .......
Episode 5 was the episode in which Ben told her that he had been skeptical about the whole process until "this" happened. Who would of thunk .... So Ben is beginning to open up about his feelings and become vulnerable - and he is obviosly aware of the "process" of the show. So Ashley tells us during the Thai date that she knows Ben likes her - but he is telling her in Ep 5 that he is getting serious. Seems that their relationship is moving forward. We still don't know where her heart is but at least her heart is free of Bentley and she is ready to move forward ...

[jojo47]

The only extra consideration Ashley has given JP is telling him about the Bent one first, and privately. Now that the latter is really gone, we'll have to look for clues if she starts giving either guy anything "extra".

ITA that in hindsight, it was obvious that Emily was always the one for Brad, once we understood what he was looking for- stunning, proper southern wife to put on a pedestal, who he would be in so much awe of that it would make him tongue-tied. Similarly, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Ashley's real deal could possibly be to make Ben the obvious better fit for her, despite what we've seen, and am so far coming up blank.

doesn't this kinda mirror Brad telling Em in epi 7 that she was getting a rose at the RC? I thought it spoke volumes that she really only cared about JPs reaction to the Bent Ones sitch - otherwise why not tell the other guys as well, and not after telling JP and seeing what HIS reaction was.

We don't really know that it was Ashley's idea to tell JP first. For all we know the producers whispered in her ear that it would be good to try it out with him first before springing it on the others. It just seems too obvious a thing to do with him being the f1. Emily was way more hidden than JP and they went out of their way to show them having very little chemistry so it was easy to overlook him telling her she was getting a rose. We've been hit over the head with the JP/Ashley chemistry so everyone watching the show noticed that she told him first and therefore deduce he's the f1. That's just not normal for Fleiss.

I agree with you, Albean, that Ashley told JP about Bentley in Hong Kong with the approval of TPTB. Now whether or not they suggested it, who knows, but the fact that it was part of the storyline and aired tells me that TPTB wanted him to know ahead of the other men. She specifically tells JP that she has not told any of the other men about Bentley yet, so we know for certain JP getting the info is exclusive. It fits the storyline in some way, shape or form and was obviously endorsed by TPTB.

[jelle]

I see nothing in the edit of JP that mirrors Chantal at all, other than the fact that they like to kiss each other. There was always conflict with Chantal and Brad, always signs that the two were not in cync with each other .... other than they had fun together and liked to kiss. We see none of that conflict with JP. JP is providing a supporting role for her all along. Neither Brad nor Chantal turned to each other for support or comfort. Both Ashley and JP do. There are no similarities that I see between the relationships.

There isnt much similarity between Emily/Brad and Ashley /JP either as far as I can see. There is no pursuit in Ashley/JP evolution. It is more like Jesse/Deanna .... Always there, always, suppoting, patient and positive. JP isnt convincing Ashley, he is just being himself. There is really no reluctance or suspense in their jouney. It has been smooth and steady - very unlike Brad/Emily. perhaps more like Ali/Roberto.

[ironcat]

The only extra consideration Ashley has given JP is telling him about the Bent one first, and privately. Now that the latter is really gone, we'll have to look for clues if she starts giving either guy anything "extra".

ITA that in hindsight, it was obvious that Emily was always the one for Brad, once we understood what he was looking for- stunning, proper southern wife to put on a pedestal, who he would be in so much awe of that it would make him tongue-tied. Similarly, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Ashley's real deal could possibly be to make Ben the obvious better fit for her, despite what we've seen, and am so far coming up blank.

doesn't this kinda mirror Brad telling Em in epi 7 that she was getting a rose at the RC? I thought it spoke volumes that she really only cared about JPs reaction to the Bent Ones sitch - otherwise why not tell the other guys as well, and not after telling JP and seeing what HIS reaction was.

We don't really know that it was Ashley's idea to tell JP first. For all we know the producers whispered in her ear that it would be good to try it out with him first before springing it on the others. It just seems too obvious a thing to do with him being the f1. Emily was way more hidden than JP and they went out of their way to show them having very little chemistry so it was easy to overlook him telling her she was getting a rose. We've been hit over the head with the JP/Ashley chemistry so everyone watching the show noticed that she told him first and therefore deduce he's the f1. That's just not normal for Fleiss.

We don't, but if Ashley wanted to tell someone who was more important to her than JP first, she is a fool to allow the producers to force her to do otherwise. That gesture spoke volumes.

[Samantharose]

Maybe Fleiss is finally listening to the viewers with ratings diping and giving us a love story? We've been harping for several seasons now "just show us the love story" whomever it is. LOL

[Beeleever]

I see nothing in the edit of JP that mirrors Chantal at all, other than the fact that they like to kiss each other. There was always conflict with Chantal and Brad, always signs that the two were not in cync with each other .... other than they had fun together and liked to kiss. We see none of that conflict with JP. JP is providing a supporting role for her all along. Neither Brad nor Chantal turned to each other for support or comfort. Both Ashley and JP do. There are no similarities that I see between the relationships.

There isnt much similarity between Emily/Brad and Ashley /JP either as far as I can see. There is no pursuit in Ashley/JP evolution. It is more like Jesse/Deanna .... Always there, always, suppoting, patient and positive. JP isnt convincing Ashley, he is just being himself. There is really no reluctance or suspense in their jouney. It has been smooth and steady - very unlike Brad/Emily. perhaps more like Ali/Roberto.

I see it more like Ali/Roberto with the emotional and physical connection.

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