Re: Final Rose Ceremony - Screencaps - Thread #2

[Nibbles22]

Nah, I highly doubt that. JP is the one for her, and she knows that.

[Alanna]

Nah, I highly doubt that. JP is the one for her, and she knows that.

I agree. I don't see her doubting anything at FRC or before it, she's just going to be overwhelmed and really upset at hurting Ben IMO.

[Diana]

I agree. I don't see her doubting anything at FRC or before it, she's just going to be overwhelmed and really upset at hurting Ben IMO.

This is what is going on, I think. Ashley has expressed how hard it is to say goodbye and hurt these guys and it's only top 6 right now, imagine how hard it will be for her to say goodbye to Ben. (or JP. If somehow he is F2)

[anders]

Why is she so sad with JP? Worries me!

Because they want the viewers to think Ashley ended up alone, so they found the 5 seconds of footage with JP where she was frowning/looking sad and edited that into the promo instead of all the rest of the time when she was smiling? Just a guess.

what I'm most concerned about is why did they give us FRC caps after episode 6 - I don't think we've ever gotten any before the end of the FD episode. We've gotten hand caps before (and usually in the premiere episodes previews for the season), but not complete caps from the FRC - strange......

the only time we got a proposal way early was Jason - just saying....

[anders]

The fact that there is not one shot of Ashley smiling at that FRC is a tip off that the producers did this on purpose, to make viewers think that everything went horribly wrong. I guess they gave up trying to edit the showdown between the F1 and F2 to be a believable horse race, so the only other way to get suspense, especially in light of the Bentley fiasco, is to make us doubt that her choice will really come through for her, and will probably try to imply that Ashley has f***ed it up again. I'm not buying it.

I've been saying for weeks now that this season has been mirroring Brad’s

• The overall season editing of the show that the lead ends up empty handed (remember all the VOs and the limos and Brad appearing to be emotional in one cap – we never saw this on FRC day) and yet both seasons we found out in real life that both are engaged – that’s a disconnect
  
• JP getting a similar Chantal edit – showing chemistry, jealousy and competiveness, second 1:1 date in epi 6 and group date in epi 7
  
• Ben getting similar Emily edit – getting the stealth edit, very even keeled, almost emotionless, tragic story, second 1:1 in epi 7.
  

What does all this mean – IDK, but the similarities are uncanny. I still say JP is F1 especially after all the SC evidence that Ben is on the left and JP is on the right. Along with Ben’s tweeting in the real world since the show started airing.

[gurlbrit]

The fact that there is not one shot of Ashley smiling at that FRC is a tip off that the producers did this on purpose, to make viewers think that everything went horribly wrong. I guess they gave up trying to edit the showdown between the F1 and F2 to be a believable horse race, so the only other way to get suspense, especially in light of the Bentley fiasco, is to make us doubt that her choice will really come through for her, and will probably try to imply that Ashley has f***ed it up again. I'm not buying it.

I've been saying for weeks now that this season has been mirroring Brad’s

• The overall season editing of the show that the lead ends up empty handed (remember all the VOs and the limos and Brad appearing to be emotional in one cap – we never saw this on FRC day) and yet both seasons we found out in real life that both are engaged – that’s a disconnect
  
• JP getting a similar Chantal edit – showing chemistry, jealousy and competiveness, second 1:1 date in epi 6 and group date in epi 7
  
• Ben getting similar Emily edit – getting the stealth edit, very even keeled, almost emotionless, tragic story, second 1:1 in epi 7.
  

What does all this mean – IDK, but the similarities are uncanny. I still say JP is F1 especially after all the SC evidence that Ben is on the left and JP is on the right. Along with Ben’s tweeting in the real world since the show started airing.

Do we think they finished editing before the first episode was shown? It could be that TPTB decided to throw all caution out the door and just provide us with a similar edit that will make the unspoiled think that Ben is F1 because of the "hidden" to some extent edit that Emily got. In hindsight Brad's feeling for Emily were pretty much out there from the initial reaction when she exited the limo to the picnic at a RC. Not sure if hindsight would show us the same thing if Ben is F1. I don't see Ashley going to any extra lengths for either of her F2, that seemed to be reserved for the Bent One. :puke:

[bing2262]

Why is she so sad with JP? Worries me!

Because they want the viewers to think Ashley ended up alone, so they found the 5 seconds of footage with JP where she was frowning/looking sad and edited that into the promo instead of all the rest of the time when she was smiling? Just a guess.

what I'm most concerned about is why did they give us FRC caps after episode 6 - I don't think we've ever gotten any before the end of the FD episode. We've gotten hand caps before (and usually in the premiere episodes previews for the season), but not complete caps from the FRC - strange......

the only time we got a proposal way early was Jason - just saying....

Anders........ JP said in his vblog that episoide 6 was the turning point in his relationship with Ashley and that it went to a whole new level. Episode 6 could be the point in time when Ashley and JP truly fell in love with each other (I think JP was already in love but Ashley wasn't fully committed until she exorcised Bentley)and therefore the subliminal reference to the FRC when their love story will be officially revealed.

[ironcat]

The fact that there is not one shot of Ashley smiling at that FRC is a tip off that the producers did this on purpose, to make viewers think that everything went horribly wrong. I guess they gave up trying to edit the showdown between the F1 and F2 to be a believable horse race, so the only other way to get suspense, especially in light of the Bentley fiasco, is to make us doubt that her choice will really come through for her, and will probably try to imply that Ashley has f***ed it up again. I'm not buying it.

I've been saying for weeks now that this season has been mirroring Brad’s

• The overall season editing of the show that the lead ends up empty handed (remember all the VOs and the limos and Brad appearing to be emotional in one cap – we never saw this on FRC day) and yet both seasons we found out in real life that both are engaged – that’s a disconnect
  
• JP getting a similar Chantal edit – showing chemistry, jealousy and competiveness, second 1:1 date in epi 6 and group date in epi 7
  
• Ben getting similar Emily edit – getting the stealth edit, very even keeled, almost emotionless, tragic story, second 1:1 in epi 7.
  

What does all this mean – IDK, but the similarities are uncanny. I still say JP is F1 especially after all the SC evidence that Ben is on the left and JP is on the right. Along with Ben’s tweeting in the real world since the show started airing.

Do we think they finished editing before the first episode was shown? It could be that TPTB decided to throw all caution out the door and just provide us with a similar edit that will make the unspoiled think that Ben is F1 because of the "hidden" to some extent edit that Emily got. In hindsight Brad's feeling for Emily were pretty much out there from the initial reaction when she exited the limo to the picnic at a RC. Not sure if hindsight would show us the same thing if Ben is F1. I don't see Ashley going to any extra lengths for either of her F2, that seemed to be reserved for the Bent One. :puke:

The only extra consideration Ashley has given JP is telling him about the Bent one first, and privately. Now that the latter is really gone, we'll have to look for clues if she starts giving either guy anything "extra".

ITA that in hindsight, it was obvious that Emily was always the one for Brad, once we understood what he was looking for- stunning, proper southern wife to put on a pedestal, who he would be in so much awe of that it would make him tongue-tied. Similarly, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Ashley's real deal could possibly be to make Ben the obvious better fit for her, despite what we've seen, and am so far coming up blank.

[anders]

Could be - but that's never determined when the viewer gets FRC caps before - apparently Anguilla was the turning point for Brad and Emily and we still didn't get any FRC caps until after the FD episode, aside from the caps we got upfront during the premiere episode

[anders]

The only extra consideration Ashley has given JP is telling him about the Bent one first, and privately. Now that the latter is really gone, we'll have to look for clues if she starts giving either guy anything "extra".

ITA that in hindsight, it was obvious that Emily was always the one for Brad, once we understood what he was looking for- stunning, proper southern wife to put on a pedestal, who he would be in so much awe of that it would make him tongue-tied. Similarly, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Ashley's real deal could possibly be to make Ben the obvious better fit for her, despite what we've seen, and am so far coming up blank.

doesn't this kinda mirror Brad telling Em in epi 7 that she was getting a rose at the RC? I thought it spoke volumes that she really only cared about JPs reaction to the Bent Ones sitch - otherwise why not tell the other guys as well, and not after telling JP and seeing what HIS reaction was.

[bilolo]

The only extra consideration Ashley has given JP is telling him about the Bent one first, and privately. Now that the latter is really gone, we'll have to look for clues if she starts giving either guy anything "extra".

ITA that in hindsight, it was obvious that Emily was always the one for Brad, once we understood what he was looking for- stunning, proper southern wife to put on a pedestal, who he would be in so much awe of that it would make him tongue-tied. Similarly, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Ashley's real deal could possibly be to make Ben the obvious better fit for her, despite what we've seen, and am so far coming up blank.

doesn't this kinda mirror Brad telling Em in epi 7 that she was getting a rose at the RC? I thought it spoke volumes that she really only cared about JPs reaction to the Bent Ones sitch - otherwise why not tell the other guys as well, and not after telling JP and seeing what HIS reaction was.

Yeah i think so Anders because she did have the opportunity to tell Ben (if he's her supposed final one) in their one on one time at the groupe date but she didn't, so what does this mean ? (she's not concerned in Ben's reaction like she did with JP)

[albean99]

The only extra consideration Ashley has given JP is telling him about the Bent one first, and privately. Now that the latter is really gone, we'll have to look for clues if she starts giving either guy anything "extra".

ITA that in hindsight, it was obvious that Emily was always the one for Brad, once we understood what he was looking for- stunning, proper southern wife to put on a pedestal, who he would be in so much awe of that it would make him tongue-tied. Similarly, I'm sitting here trying to figure out what Ashley's real deal could possibly be to make Ben the obvious better fit for her, despite what we've seen, and am so far coming up blank.

doesn't this kinda mirror Brad telling Em in epi 7 that she was getting a rose at the RC? I thought it spoke volumes that she really only cared about JPs reaction to the Bent Ones sitch - otherwise why not tell the other guys as well, and not after telling JP and seeing what HIS reaction was.

We don't really know that it was Ashley's idea to tell JP first. For all we know the producers whispered in her ear that it would be good to try it out with him first before springing it on the others. It just seems too obvious a thing to do with him being the f1. Emily was way more hidden than JP and they went out of their way to show them having very little chemistry so it was easy to overlook him telling her she was getting a rose. We've been hit over the head with the JP/Ashley chemistry so everyone watching the show noticed that she told him first and therefore deduce he's the f1. That's just not normal for Fleiss.

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