Brooks Discussion Group

I'm confused about what this thread it for? How is this different than the general discussion thread? Is there a reason for a separate Brooks, Chris and Drew discussion threads and how are these different from the general? Just trying to understand where things should be posted. Thanks!

Rolly wrote:I'm confused about what this thread it for? How is this different than the general discussion thread? Is there a reason for a separate Brooks, Chris and Drew discussion threads and how are these different from the general? Just trying to understand where things should be posted. Thanks!

from what i understand, IrshGal has opened the 3 threads: Brooks, Chris and Drew Discussion Thread before the finale, to facilitate discussions about each of the guy outside the individual fan thread. On each thread any posters could discuss everything without a rosie-colored-eye glasses on, meaning, they could state their critics, negative comments, etc about that particular guy (B, C and D) without violating the rules that applied on the fan-thread. Someone pls CMIIW. On Chris thread you may also see some critics and disagreement about him and his poems  .

Yes, Mura, you are eactly right! Some of us are not fans of certain contestants and want to have our voices heard. To do that in the general discussion thread would mean things got lost. I want to know what the people who are not Brooks (or Chris or Drew) fans think and feel about it all. Who does it harm? By the way, several of us tried to have these discussions in the Brooks fan thread in particular and got chased away vehemently. That's why these threads are necessary. Sad but true.

I don't have a problem at all with additional threads, I just didn't understand what the reasoning was. I think it's great to hear everyone's point of view, even those I don't agree with. I'm not all that familiar with how this forum works so thanks for answering my question!

At the risk of getting apples thrown at me, this is my newly developed opinion... This is in no way a plea for you to see it my way but to maybe question a few things.

I have re-watched the entire season with an open mind and trying not to think of the spoilers. WOW! How could I have been so blind and not seen what was happening? Des choose the right person to give her heart to at the end.

Now the part I'm just going to throw out there. What if the whole Brooks “relationship” from start to finish was all manipulation, in other words fake? Please hear me out. My first suspicion was on their cloud 9 date, Brooks was uncomfortable the whole time; it felt forced from both of them. On his HTD, when the questions were asked by his brothers Brooks never did answer. Him running to her had nothing to do with their playful words used earlier.

Then there’s the breakup, they both kept looking to the producers for instructions. After watching very closely to the body language and what wasn't present during the break up I am really questing the whole thing. I watched the break up 3 times. How someone that was “sobbing” and “distraught” as some people have said on here, how does anyone cry without tears? Des buried her face into Brooks' chest and when she pulled away there were no tear marks on his shirt. Anyone can wipe away pretend tears to make it look like they are crying but I didn't see any tears at all. Not to mention not one drop of liner/mascara was out of place. I don't know about you but even with waterproof mascara, when I cry it's gone in 5 minutes.

If there ever was a real “relationship” starting and there were real feelings on Des’ part I am going to guess she was in love with the chase, not Brooks. Let me prove to the world I can get the guy that doesn’t really have those feelings for me. TPTB could have taped ILY from Des for all 4 of the remaining guys and only shown the one for Brooks. Regardless, there still weren’t any tears during the breakup.

This will in no way ever make me like Brooks any less but I am really wondering right now. Brooks was gorgeous before, during and after the show. Of course there isn't any way to know for sure about my suspicions but if you have the opportunity to watch it again (with an open mind) I highly recommend it.

Mandy, I can agree with most of what you said above. I have a feeling the whole Brooks storyline was written either before the show or as the show developed. Actually, I never saw it with Brooks and Des. That's why I didn't believe the spoilers--I could only see a 2-way connection between Chris and Des. There were just too many spoken clues as well as negative body language between Brooks and Des. "There may not be anyone left at the end." "Would you fight for her?" "Can she hang with you?" "Brooks is ready for marriage-- when he finds the right girl." Several comments about them being "In the moment." There are lots more that have been mentioned many times. Was it all a set-up? I really don't know--maybe not. But if it wasn't a set-up, a great story played out and Fleiss pulled off a fast one--that I love!

beader wrote:Mandy, I can agree with most of what you said above. I have a feeling the whole Brooks storyline was written either before the show or as the show developed. Actually, I never saw it with Brooks and Des. That's why I didn't believe the spoilers--I could only see a 2-way connection between Chris and Des. There were just too many spoken clues as well as negative body language between Brooks and Des. "There may not be anyone left at the end." "Would you fight for her?" "Can she hang with you?" "Brooks is ready for marriage-- when he finds the right girl." Several comments about them being "In the moment." There are lots more that have been mentioned many times. Was it all a set-up? I really don't know--maybe not. But if it wasn't a set-up, a great story played out and Fleiss pulled off a fast one--that I love!

I would sooner think the storyline was fabricated after the show myself. Personally I never saw a real connection with any of the guys except for Brooks. Has anyone gone back and listened to Des talking about the guys when she was getting ready for her FD with Brooks. She made mention of the fact that Chris was 'so nice, loyal, sweet and good, and that more than made up for his looks'. I wonder why Fleiss left that in? Needless to say, they all came out of this with a little stink on them, and none more than Des. Either way she looks like either the tool or the tool handler. Poor excuse for entertainment IMO. Hopefully they are all in a good space now, and they can get on with their lives.

afterawhile wrote:

beader wrote:Mandy, I can agree with most of what you said above.  I have a feeling the whole Brooks storyline was written either before the show or as the show developed.  Actually, I never saw it with Brooks and Des.  That's why I didn't believe the spoilers--I could only see a 2-way connection between Chris and Des.  There were just too many spoken clues as well as negative body language between Brooks and Des.  "There may not be anyone left at the end."  "Would you fight for her?"  "Can she hang with you?"  "Brooks is ready for marriage-- when he finds the right girl."  Several comments about them being "In the moment."  There are lots more that have been mentioned many times.  Was it all a set-up?  I really don't know--maybe not.  But if it wasn't a set-up, a great story played out and Fleiss pulled off a fast one--that I love!  

I would sooner think the storyline was fabricated after the show myself.  Personally I never saw a real connection with any of the guys except for Brooks.  Has anyone gone back and listened to Des talking about the guys when she was getting ready for her FD with Brooks.  She made mention of the fact that Chris was 'so nice, loyal, sweet and good, and that more than made up for his looks'.  I wonder why Fleiss left that in?  Needless to say, they all came out of this with a little stink on them, and none more than Des.  Either way she looks like either the tool or the tool handler.  Poor excuse for entertainment IMO.  Hopefully they are all in a good space now, and they can get on with their lives.

Exactly!!! We have been told many times that producers do not script things pre show. They wait and see how things develop and then help that along with some skillful manipulation and crafty editing! From what I saw, I don't think they much cared for most of the major players this season.

afterawhile wrote:

beader wrote:Mandy, I can agree with most of what you said above.  I have a feeling the whole Brooks storyline was written either before the show or as the show developed.  Actually, I never saw it with Brooks and Des.  That's why I didn't believe the spoilers--I could only see a 2-way connection between Chris and Des.  There were just too many spoken clues as well as negative body language between Brooks and Des.  "There may not be anyone left at the end."  "Would you fight for her?"  "Can she hang with you?"  "Brooks is ready for marriage-- when he finds the right girl."  Several comments about them being "In the moment."  There are lots more that have been mentioned many times.  Was it all a set-up?  I really don't know--maybe not.  But if it wasn't a set-up, a great story played out and Fleiss pulled off a fast one--that I love!  

I would sooner think the storyline was fabricated after the show myself.  Personally I never saw a real connection with any of the guys except for Brooks.  Has anyone gone back and listened to Des talking about the guys when she was getting ready for her FD with Brooks.  She made mention of the fact that Chris was 'so nice, loyal, sweet and good, and that more than made up for his looks'.  I wonder why Fleiss left that in?  Needless to say, they all came out of this with a little stink on them, and none more than Des.  Either way she looks like either the tool or the tool handler.  Poor excuse for entertainment IMO.  Hopefully they are all in a good space now, and they can get on with their lives.

I didn't remember what exactly Des said so went back and checked. That's not what she said about Chris. She said: "I love Chris' quirkiness and the little things he does that shows who he is. He's so funny and quirky & I think I love those things about him because it's so different from what he looks like." I believe she meant something like he appears to be quiet and serious but he's not.

Thanks for checking on that, albean. I almost fainted just then cuz every woman I know thinks Chris is tall, dark and handsome in the classical sense. He looks like a leading man.

Mandy61 wrote: At the risk of getting apples thrown at me, this is my newly developed opinion... This is in no way a plea for you to see it my way but to maybe question a few things.

I have re-watched the entire season with an open mind and trying not to think of the spoilers.  WOW!  How could I have been so blind and not seen what was happening?  Des choose the right person to give her heart to at the end.

Now the part I'm just going to throw out there.  What if the whole Brooks “relationship” from start to finish was all manipulation, in other words fake?  Please hear me out.  My first suspicion was on their cloud 9 date, Brooks was uncomfortable the whole time; it felt forced from both of them.  On his HTD, when the questions were asked by his brothers Brooks never did answer.  Him running to her had nothing to do with their playful words used earlier.  

Then there’s the breakup, they both kept looking to the producers for instructions.  After watching very closely to the body language and what wasn't present during the break up I am really questing the whole thing.  I watched the break up 3 times.  How someone that was “sobbing” and “distraught” as some people have said on here, how does anyone cry without tears?   Des buried her face into Brooks' chest and when she pulled away there were no tear marks on his shirt.  Anyone can wipe away pretend tears to make it look like they are crying but I didn't see any tears at all.  Not to mention not one drop of liner/mascara was out of place.  I don't know about you but even with waterproof mascara, when I cry it's gone in 5 minutes.  

If there ever was a real “relationship” starting and there were real feelings on Des’ part I am going to guess she was in love with the chase, not Brooks.  Let me prove to the world I can get the guy that doesn’t really have those feelings for me.  TPTB could have taped ILY from Des for all 4 of the remaining guys and only shown the one for Brooks.  Regardless, there still weren’t any tears during the breakup.

This will in no way ever make me like Brooks any less but I am really wondering right now.  Brooks was gorgeous before, during and after the show.  Of course there isn't any way to know for sure about my suspicions but if you have the opportunity to watch it again (with an open mind) I highly recommend it.

Excellent post! Concerning the bolded, good observation.  If they were looking at the producers for instructions, could they not also be putting words in their mouths, after all they have to have a show at the end of this.  "Tell Brooks you love him."  "Ask her why she didn't tell you sooner." etc.  I wonder what Des was really upset about, possibly that her show would be horrible because all her guys were leaving.

ETA: I also posted this in the Chris Discussion.

albean99 wrote:

afterawhile wrote:

beader wrote:Mandy, I can agree with most of what you said above.  I have a feeling the whole Brooks storyline was written either before the show or as the show developed.  Actually, I never saw it with Brooks and Des.  That's why I didn't believe the spoilers--I could only see a 2-way connection between Chris and Des.  There were just too many spoken clues as well as negative body language between Brooks and Des.  "There may not be anyone left at the end."  "Would you fight for her?"  "Can she hang with you?"  "Brooks is ready for marriage-- when he finds the right girl."  Several comments about them being "In the moment."  There are lots more that have been mentioned many times.  Was it all a set-up?  I really don't know--maybe not.  But if it wasn't a set-up, a great story played out and Fleiss pulled off a fast one--that I love!  

I would sooner think the storyline was fabricated after the show myself.  Personally I never saw a real connection with any of the guys except for Brooks.  Has anyone gone back and listened to Des talking about the guys when she was getting ready for her FD with Brooks.  She made mention of the fact that Chris was 'so nice, loyal, sweet and good, and that more than made up for his looks'.  I wonder why Fleiss left that in?  Needless to say, they all came out of this with a little stink on them, and none more than Des.  Either way she looks like either the tool or the tool handler.  Poor excuse for entertainment IMO.  Hopefully they are all in a good space now, and they can get on with their lives.

I didn't remember what exactly Des said so went back and checked. That's not what she said about Chris. She said: "I love Chris' quirkiness and the little things he does that shows who he is. He's so funny and quirky & I think I love those things about him because it's so different from what he looks like." I believe she meant something like he appears to be quiet and serious but he's not.

Yes.. I took that as a compliment for Chris. I've heard theories on another board that the whole Brooks break-up was fake. I think his handler knew he was not feeling it. The questions with his family were fore-shadowing and planned because they knew things were going down hill. CH said that the hometowns were pivotal. A lot of people assumed that meant Brooks would arrive at positive answers to those questions. It was the pivotal hometown, but in the opposite direction. I think the producers knew what they were building, but it seems hard to believe that Des was in on it. Although, it is odd that they kept Bryden there until her date with Chris.  And how did they know to have Matt White on Chris' date? And what did Des say in Munich when she gave him the rose. Something was cut, because he said in return.. I'll pretend I didn't hear that. that's unmentionable... thank you thank you.