Brooks Discussion Group

grace8136 wrote:I'd say Des is a very honest person in real life, she would have been a teacher's pet which is probably one reason why MF liked her so much. She followed his rules during the show. When I think about my own experiences with meeting guys and falling for them it was always pretty cut and dry. So in my experience, Brooks would have known sooner, but I guess everyone is different.

Also Karen, I don't see much Brooks bashing here. Certainly no one posting that he is gay. Brooks seems to have moved on and looks happy to me, so why the anger? IMO, I don't think Des and Brooks would have lasted anyhow, so it all worked out for the best.

ironcat wrote:I think when the F4 go home to their families at the time of the HTDs, it's their first time "out of the bubble" and back in their "real world", and provides them some stark clarity as far as what they are REALLY feeling for the lead.  I suspect that whatever natural skepticism Brooks had about the viability of his relationship with Des prior to HTDs was exacerbated by his visit with his family, and even though he chose to accept the rose at the F4 RC (probably a combination of his confusion/uncertainty about what to do along with prodding from the producers; let us not forget Ed's classic words that this show is a mindf**k and these people are not thinking straight), he must have regretted it immediately afterwards, which is why he came to Antigua with the intention of dropping out/rectifying the situation.  I can't fault him for that; it's not like he was a Bentley with no feeling whatsover for the lead.  As has been said many times, it's easy to sit here in judgment of what these contestants do, but until you're actually in the (highly manipulated)situation living it, you really never know how you'll behave.  And comparing it to how we did behave or would behave in a "similar" real relationship situation, is, to some degree, ludicrous.

It cannot be said enough that by this point, the Des/Chris relationship is "on its own", and will rise or fall based on whatever the two have built and will continue to build since filming wrapped back in May.  Brooks, and whatever went on with him, has nothing to do with it anymore.  And if they're both boring, then it's a good thing they found each other.

On another note, has anyone read Chris' book of poetry?  I saw some excerpts on a site, and the poems are beyond painfully bad IMO.  Hope he doesn't quit his day job.

ironcat wrote:I think when the F4 go home to their families at the time of the HTDs, it's their first time "out of the bubble" and back in their "real world", and provides them some stark clarity as far as what they are REALLY feeling for the lead.  I suspect that whatever natural skepticism Brooks had about the viability of his relationship with Des prior to HTDs was exacerbated by his visit with his family, and even though he chose to accept the rose at the F4 RC (probably a combination of his confusion/uncertainty about what to do along with prodding from the producers; let us not forget Ed's classic words that this show is a mindf**k and these people are not thinking straight), he must have regretted it immediately afterwards, which is why he came to Antigua with the intention of dropping out/rectifying the situation.  I can't fault him for that; it's not like he was a Bentley with no feeling whatsover for the lead.  As has been said many times, it's easy to sit here in judgment of what these contestants do, but until you're actually in the (highly manipulated)situation living it, you really never know how you'll behave.  And comparing it to how we did behave or would behave in a "similar" real relationship situation, is, to some degree, ludicrous.

It cannot be said enough that by this point, the Des/Chris relationship is "on its own", and will rise or fall based on whatever the two have built and will continue to build since filming wrapped back in May.  Brooks, and whatever went on with him, has nothing to do with it anymore.  And if they're both boring, then it's a good thing they found each other.

On another note, has anyone read Chris' book of poetry?  I saw some excerpts on a site, and the poems are beyond painfully bad IMO.  Hope he doesn't quit his day job.

karenap63 wrote:I know they are happy and I want nothing but the best for them.  I'm just tired of all the Brooks bashing.  He's gay, he can't commit. What you are so in love after 2-3 exotic dates.  That wasn't the real world.  What everybody seems to forget is BROOKS DUMPED HER.  I really believe this was all for RATINGS.  I have a son who is Brooks and Chris age.  If my son would be engaged 2 days later to someone who just told someone else they loved him,  as a mother I would really be concerned.  I only watched this show because I really liked Brooks.  If he would have left earlier, I never would have finished watching it. I do hope Chris and Dez make it.  They need to just take their time and see where it goes.  My opinion is Brooks was the only honest person on this show.

Mustang19 wrote:

Muslady wrote:Brooks was honest just a bit slow to let Des know his feelings.  Chris was more honest as expressed his feelings to her each time he was with her, either with poetry or conversation.  Des had no questions about where she stood with Chris, this was not the case with Brooks.JMO

Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. A bit slow? He told her when he realized he wasn't feeling it. It's not like he knew weeks before and held onto that little tidbit, accepting roses the whole time. He told her the very next time he saw her. Chris, Zak AND Drew all told her of their feelings and were ALL honest, not just Chris. Des was telling Chris H that she loved Brooks for weeks, but didn't tell Brooks apparently even in private. The least honest person in this group was Des herself. Brooks took the hard way out. Him telling the truth wasn't easy for anyone, but it's better than lying and saying he loved her when he didn't. Chris, Drew and Zak had it easy in speaking the truth.

Aunties_Love wrote:

karenap63 wrote:I know they are happy and I want nothing but the best for them.  I'm just tired of all the Brooks bashing.  He's gay, he can't commit. What you are so in love after 2-3 exotic dates.  That wasn't the real world.  What everybody seems to forget is BROOKS DUMPED HER.  I really believe this was all for RATINGS.  I have a son who is Brooks and Chris age.  If my son would be engaged 2 days later to someone who just told someone else they loved him,  as a mother I would really be concerned.  I only watched this show because I really liked Brooks.  If he would have left earlier, I never would have finished watching it. I do hope Chris and Dez make it.  They need to just take their time and see where it goes.  My opinion is Brooks was the only honest person on this show.

The point is, I really don't think things went down as we were shown. I think there was a whole lot more to it, but yes, Brooks made his mind up really late in the game when others, including Chris Harrison, noted in Madeira that Brooks really wasn't into Des.  Why didn't Brooks back out then versus dragging things out?  As far as Chris, I do think that she had fallen for him a lot earlier than some would think.  If you look back at their dates, we were actually shown their love story, but because of the Brooks spoiler, it was harder to see what was actually being told at the time.  I do believe that Brooks does have committment problems, but that is my opinion.  Just a FYI, it is possible to fall in love with someone that quickly..talk to Brad and Bianka from Bachelor Canada.  They did it in 7 episodes versus the 12, so it is completely possible, not to mention that some in real life that had fallen in love early.  Met someone, got married in 1 month time and been together for over 20 years, so it is entirely possible.  By the way, Brooks left on apr 30, and Des/Chris got engaged on May 6, so definitely more than 3 days.  I understand it is your opinion that Brooks is the only honest person on this show, but I am wondering why you feel that way?

grace8136 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

karenap63 wrote:I know they are happy and I want nothing but the best for them.  I'm just tired of all the Brooks bashing.  He's gay, he can't commit. What you are so in love after 2-3 exotic dates.  That wasn't the real world.  What everybody seems to forget is BROOKS DUMPED HER.  I really believe this was all for RATINGS.  I have a son who is Brooks and Chris age.  If my son would be engaged 2 days later to someone who just told someone else they loved him,  as a mother I would really be concerned.  I only watched this show because I really liked Brooks.  If he would have left earlier, I never would have finished watching it. I do hope Chris and Dez make it.  They need to just take their time and see where it goes.  My opinion is Brooks was the only honest person on this show.

The point is, I really don't think things went down as we were shown. I think there was a whole lot more to it, but yes, Brooks made his mind up really late in the game when others, including Chris Harrison, noted in Madeira that Brooks really wasn't into Des.  Why didn't Brooks back out then versus dragging things out?  As far as Chris, I do think that she had fallen for him a lot earlier than some would think.  If you look back at their dates, we were actually shown their love story, but because of the Brooks spoiler, it was harder to see what was actually being told at the time.  I do believe that Brooks does have committment problems, but that is my opinion.  Just a FYI, it is possible to fall in love with someone that quickly..talk to Brad and Bianka from Bachelor Canada.  They did it in 7 episodes versus the 12, so it is completely possible, not to mention that some in real life that had fallen in love early.  Met someone, got married in 1 month time and been together for over 20 years, so it is entirely possible.  By the way, Brooks left on apr 30, and Des/Chris got engaged on May 6, so definitely more than 3 days.  I understand it is your opinion that Brooks is the only honest person on this show, but I am wondering why you feel that way?

How do you know those dates? We have been trying to figure it out. Do you just think the date of 4/29 in Chris' book as MTP is a mistake?

Aunties_Love wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

Muslady wrote:Brooks was honest just a bit slow to let Des know his feelings.  Chris was more honest as expressed his feelings to her each time he was with her, either with poetry or conversation.  Des had no questions about where she stood with Chris, this was not the case with Brooks.JMO

Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. A bit slow? He told her when he realized he wasn't feeling it. It's not like he knew weeks before and held onto that little tidbit, accepting roses the whole time. He told her the very next time he saw her. Chris, Zak AND Drew all told her of their feelings and were ALL honest, not just Chris. Des was telling Chris H that she loved Brooks for weeks, but didn't tell Brooks apparently even in private. The least honest person in this group was Des herself. Brooks took the hard way out. Him telling the truth wasn't easy for anyone, but it's better than lying and saying he loved her when he didn't. Chris, Drew and Zak had it easy in speaking the truth.

For what it's worth, he did know about it in Madeira, but didn't do anything about it then, so yes, he was slow in telling Des.  I do think that you are maybe wrong, because Des wasn't telling Chris Harrison for WEEKS that she loved Brooks.  She did say she was falling in love with him but didn't say she LOVED him that long.  One thing that I don't agree with, Des was honest.  The concept of the show and for filming reasons means that we are only shown what they(producers) want us to see.  For all we know, she could of been saying for WEEKS that it is Chris that she loves and not Brooks, but we as the viewers were only given what the producers wanted us to see in order for them to tell the story they wanted us to see.  By saying that Des wasn't being honest, I think is really harsh as you weren't there as filming happened, and neither was I so for us to assume that she wasn't honest really isn't fair.  IMO

Aunties_Love wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

karenap63 wrote:I know they are happy and I want nothing but the best for them.  I'm just tired of all the Brooks bashing.  He's gay, he can't commit. What you are so in love after 2-3 exotic dates.  That wasn't the real world.  What everybody seems to forget is BROOKS DUMPED HER.  I really believe this was all for RATINGS.  I have a son who is Brooks and Chris age.  If my son would be engaged 2 days later to someone who just told someone else they loved him,  as a mother I would really be concerned.  I only watched this show because I really liked Brooks.  If he would have left earlier, I never would have finished watching it. I do hope Chris and Dez make it.  They need to just take their time and see where it goes.  My opinion is Brooks was the only honest person on this show.

The point is, I really don't think things went down as we were shown. I think there was a whole lot more to it, but yes, Brooks made his mind up really late in the game when others, including Chris Harrison, noted in Madeira that Brooks really wasn't into Des.  Why didn't Brooks back out then versus dragging things out?  As far as Chris, I do think that she had fallen for him a lot earlier than some would think.  If you look back at their dates, we were actually shown their love story, but because of the Brooks spoiler, it was harder to see what was actually being told at the time.  I do believe that Brooks does have committment problems, but that is my opinion.  Just a FYI, it is possible to fall in love with someone that quickly..talk to Brad and Bianka from Bachelor Canada.  They did it in 7 episodes versus the 12, so it is completely possible, not to mention that some in real life that had fallen in love early.  Met someone, got married in 1 month time and been together for over 20 years, so it is entirely possible.  By the way, Brooks left on apr 30, and Des/Chris got engaged on May 6, so definitely more than 3 days.  I understand it is your opinion that Brooks is the only honest person on this show, but I am wondering why you feel that way?

How do you know those dates? We have been trying to figure it out. Do you just think the date of 4/29 in Chris' book as MTP is a mistake?

I was going by the date of Brooks being in Idaho on apr 27, being back on twitter by apr 30, which now seems to be his proper twitter acct, and the released finale date of May 6.  To me, Brooks was done on the show by Apr 30, therefore, there is 7 days from then to the finale of May 6, therefore more than 2 days has passed.  I think that from the Apr 29 date that was in Chris's book, yes, he may of met her family on that date and they were given from then to the May 6 finale date to spend more time together.  That is the part that we as viewers of the show probably weren't privy to but yet did happen.  These are just my thoughts, but I was taking known dates of Apr 27(Brooks/Idaho), 30th(Brooks on twitter) and the finale date of May 6.

karenap63 wrote:Call her Brooks.  She'll be on the next plane having fun and good times with you and your wonderful family.  Even if it's just to be friends.  She is so boring now.  She is taking away the best years of her life.  She acts 50 years old.  Des and Chris=BORING.   Brooks=too honest for this show.  Brooks will find what he is looking for - too good a man not to.  

grace8136 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

karenap63 wrote:I know they are happy and I want nothing but the best for them.  I'm just tired of all the Brooks bashing.  He's gay, he can't commit. What you are so in love after 2-3 exotic dates.  That wasn't the real world.  What everybody seems to forget is BROOKS DUMPED HER.  I really believe this was all for RATINGS.  I have a son who is Brooks and Chris age.  If my son would be engaged 2 days later to someone who just told someone else they loved him,  as a mother I would really be concerned.  I only watched this show because I really liked Brooks.  If he would have left earlier, I never would have finished watching it. I do hope Chris and Dez make it.  They need to just take their time and see where it goes.  My opinion is Brooks was the only honest person on this show.

The point is, I really don't think things went down as we were shown. I think there was a whole lot more to it, but yes, Brooks made his mind up really late in the game when others, including Chris Harrison, noted in Madeira that Brooks really wasn't into Des.  Why didn't Brooks back out then versus dragging things out?  As far as Chris, I do think that she had fallen for him a lot earlier than some would think.  If you look back at their dates, we were actually shown their love story, but because of the Brooks spoiler, it was harder to see what was actually being told at the time.  I do believe that Brooks does have committment problems, but that is my opinion.  Just a FYI, it is possible to fall in love with someone that quickly..talk to Brad and Bianka from Bachelor Canada.  They did it in 7 episodes versus the 12, so it is completely possible, not to mention that some in real life that had fallen in love early.  Met someone, got married in 1 month time and been together for over 20 years, so it is entirely possible.  By the way, Brooks left on apr 30, and Des/Chris got engaged on May 6, so definitely more than 3 days.  I understand it is your opinion that Brooks is the only honest person on this show, but I am wondering why you feel that way?

How do you know those dates? We have been trying to figure it out. Do you just think the date of 4/29 in Chris' book as MTP is a mistake?

I was going by the date of Brooks being in Idaho on apr 27, being back on twitter by apr 30, which now seems to be his proper twitter acct, and the released finale date of May 6.  To me, Brooks was done on the show by Apr 30, therefore, there is 7 days from then to the finale of May 6, therefore more than 2 days has passed.  I think that from the Apr 29 date that was in Chris's book, yes, he may of met her family on that date and they were given from then to the May 6 finale date to spend more time together.  That is the part that we as viewers of the show probably weren't privy to but yet did happen.  These are just my thoughts, but I was taking known dates of Apr 27(Brooks/Idaho), 30th(Brooks on twitter) and the finale date of May 6.

OK.. thanks.. didn't know Brooks was back on twitter on the 30th. Thought they kept the F3 until everyone leaves. Seems like him being back on twitter should have been a dead give-away.  

Aunties_Love wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

Muslady wrote:Brooks was honest just a bit slow to let Des know his feelings.  Chris was more honest as expressed his feelings to her each time he was with her, either with poetry or conversation.  Des had no questions about where she stood with Chris, this was not the case with Brooks.JMO

Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. A bit slow? He told her when he realized he wasn't feeling it. It's not like he knew weeks before and held onto that little tidbit, accepting roses the whole time. He told her the very next time he saw her. Chris, Zak AND Drew all told her of their feelings and were ALL honest, not just Chris. Des was telling Chris H that she loved Brooks for weeks, but didn't tell Brooks apparently even in private. The least honest person in this group was Des herself. Brooks took the hard way out. Him telling the truth wasn't easy for anyone, but it's better than lying and saying he loved her when he didn't. Chris, Drew and Zak had it easy in speaking the truth.

For what it's worth, he did know about it in Madeira, but didn't do anything about it then, so yes, he was slow in telling Des.  I do think that you are maybe wrong, because Des wasn't telling Chris Harrison for WEEKS that she loved Brooks.  She did say she was falling in love with him but didn't say she LOVED him that long.  One thing that I don't agree with, Des was honest.  The concept of the show and for filming reasons means that we are only shown what they(producers) want us to see.  For all we know, she could of been saying for WEEKS that it is Chris that she loves and not Brooks, but we as the viewers were only given what the producers wanted us to see in order for them to tell the story they wanted us to see.  By saying that Des wasn't being honest, I think is really harsh as you weren't there as filming happened, and neither was I so for us to assume that she wasn't honest really isn't fair.  IMO