*No Spoilers* The Bachelor - General Discussion

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emusha wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Here's a question to all you long time viewers. In the special aired prior to episode 2, CH said that the 1st date of the season goes to the contestant that TB is most interested in.
This season was Clare.
Do you agree or disagree ? Do you think that CH was just blowing smoke ?

Previous seasons First date contestants :
Brad 2.0 - Ashley H
Des - Brooks
Sean - Desiree
Ashley H - Mickey or William
Jake - Ali
Jason - Jillian (If I remember correctly) + Melissa (2nd 1-1)
Emily - Ryan P
Ali - Frank

It's interesting to see who the lead was most interested in during the first date! But it's also interesting that those who stayed with the person they picked (Sean, Ashley, Jason, Des (prolly too early to tell..)) didn't go on the first date with their chosen one... so sounds like first impressions aren't always on point (same with first impression roses)

The actual pattern is that the first date has never been f1. IMO that is even more proven with the first date syndrome than the previous FIR curse broken by the lovely Roberto.
Perhaps this season will be the first ? Though it is clear the previews that Clare seems to be suffering from a similar conflict that Ashley H suffered. A Perfect 1st date and then having to see the lead dating multiple others.

relaxing wrote:

emusha wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Here's a question to all you long time viewers. In the special aired prior to episode 2, CH said that the 1st date of the season goes to the contestant that TB is most interested in.
This season was Clare.
Do you agree or disagree ? Do you think that CH was just blowing smoke ?

Previous seasons First date contestants :
Brad 2.0 - Ashley H
Des - Brooks
Sean - Desiree
Ashley H - Mickey or William
Jake - Ali
Jason - Jillian (If I remember correctly) + Melissa (2nd 1-1)
Emily - Ryan P
Ali - Frank

It's interesting to see who the lead was most interested in during the first date! But it's also interesting that those who stayed with the person they picked (Sean, Ashley, Jason, Des (prolly too early to tell..)) didn't go on the first date with their chosen one... so sounds like first impressions aren't always on point (same with first impression roses)

Wow - I didn't realize it was such a pattern with the Bachelorettes!  So since Jillian every Bette has been the prior season's first date?  (Only exception being Emily - a bring-back.  I think Kacie B had the first date in Ben's season and likely would have been Bette if Emily hadn't returned - so that would have made it a perfect 100%)  That's a pretty obvious trend there.  Maybe not the lead's early favorite, but productions?  Makes you wonder if they make it to the end because they actually have a chance with the lead, or are just made to make it that far by producers.  

Wow! This is interesting, that no lead has ended up with their 1st 1 on 1 date. I am thinking that If it's the lead 's choice, then, it may be that he/she is more physically attracted to that person. But that can't be the case based on Juan Pablo reaction over NIkki (him biting his hand#hot after the heart beat gesture), and Des on her poem said that that first night attraction was found (Chris also second that). So, it looks like it is production's choice based on their pschological analysis that the individual is not ready for a marriage commitment at that time and has an interesting story they want to promote for the next show. Very clever! If this is true, I think she is one of F3 or F4, and will be our next bachelorette. JMO

William was Ashley's first... and her hands were all over him. Mickey's date with her (#2 solo, following group date) was pretty painful to watch. No wonder he was eager to bug out by Hong Kong.

What was interesting about that season is that he won the date in a coin toss over F1 JP. That means JP almost got the 2nd solo date. In Ben's season following, Courtney got that date.

JBF wrote:William was Ashley's first... and her hands were all over him. Mickey's date with her (#2 solo, following group date) was pretty painful to watch. No wonder he was eager to bug out by Hong Kong.

What was interesting about that season is that he won the date in a coin toss over F1 JP. That means JP almost got the 2nd solo date. In Ben's season following, Courtney got that date.

JBF, Does that mean if JP got the date, it would have being Ashley's 2nd solo. Has any 2nd date won the F1 at all?

JBF, What did you think of the love stories special last night?(Chris and Des especially). We have comments on their media and Tweet/Facebook threads and would appreciate your feedback.

Maggenzm wrote:

JBF wrote:William was Ashley's first... and her hands were all over him. Mickey's date with her (#2 solo, following group date) was pretty painful to watch. No wonder he was eager to bug out by Hong Kong.

What was interesting about that season is that he won the date in a coin toss over F1 JP. That means JP almost got the 2nd solo date. In Ben's season following, Courtney got that date.

JBF, Does that mean if JP got the date, it would have being Ashley's 2nd solo. Has any 2nd date won the F1 at all?

Courtney went on to become Ben's F1. And Jason's original F1, Melissa, also had the 2nd solo date.

For a long time, a 3rd episode date and/or an adrenaline date made your chances of being the F1 much higher. I think it was 3 or 4 seasons in a row where that was the case.

umngirl wrote:

Maggenzm wrote:

JBF wrote:William was Ashley's first... and her hands were all over him. Mickey's date with her (#2 solo, following group date) was pretty painful to watch. No wonder he was eager to bug out by Hong Kong.

What was interesting about that season is that he won the date in a coin toss over F1 JP. That means JP almost got the 2nd solo date. In Ben's season following, Courtney got that date.

JBF, Does that mean if JP got the date, it would have being Ashley's 2nd solo. Has any 2nd date won the F1 at all?

Courtney went on to become Ben's F1. And Jason's original F1, Melissa, also had the 2nd solo date.

For a long time, a 3rd episode date and/or an adrenaline date made your chances of being the F1 much higher. I think it was 3 or 4 seasons in a row where that was the case.

I guess we will have to wait and see what they are doing this year. Maybe after tonight, it will be more evident where they are going with this.

Maggenzm wrote:

JBF, What did you think of the love stories special last night?(Chris and Des especially). We have comments on their media and Tweet/Facebook threads and would appreciate your feedback.

I probably should have posted some comments about Sunday's show there.

Read the "concern" regarding how talkative Desiree was in her sit-downs, while Chris was more quiet. Yet that is the same way Ashley was with JP... she was chirping louder than he was. It is that "Aries" trait in them.

I also noticed that Trista enjoyed being Ryan's "mouthpiece" as well.

Yup... all three guys are "husbands" already even if one hasn't said "I do" yet.

Now Catherine... on the other hand... she was quite talkative but I will bet HE will be her "mouthpiece". Sean just loves to talk talk talk talk talk talk talk... with his hands in constant motion. That is why half this forum absolutely adore him and half this forum move back a few feet from their TV sets before The Next Lecture begins with "It's like this..." Yup, Sean is one-of-a-kind. At least Catherine will keep him quiet at Consummation Station.

Jason and Molly are like "co-hosts"... one stops speaking and the other takes over.

JBF wrote:

Maggenzm wrote:

JBF, What did you think of the love stories special last night?(Chris and Des especially). We have comments on their media and Tweet/Facebook threads and would appreciate your feedback.

I probably should have posted some comments about Sunday's show there.

Read the "concern" regarding how talkative Desiree was in her sit-downs, while Chris was more quiet. Yet that is the same way Ashley was with JP... she was chirping louder than he was. It is that "Aries" trait in them.

I also noticed that Trista enjoyed being Ryan's "mouthpiece" as well.

Yup... all three guys are "husbands" already even if one hasn't said "I do" yet.

Now Catherine... on the other hand... she was quite talkative but I will bet HE will be her "mouthpiece". Sean just loves to talk talk talk talk talk talk talk... with his hands in constant motion. That is why half this forum absolutely adore him and half this forum move back a few feet from their TV sets before The Next Lecture begins with "It's like this..." Yup, Sean is one-of-a-kind. At least Catherine will keep him quiet at Consummation Station.

Jason and Molly are like "co-hosts"... one stops speaking and the other takes over.

Thanks JBF, You're the BEST! I knew you will give me clarity! They are my very fav couple of all times, I love my  Ziggy! So, I got a little concerned.

And, come to think of it, Chris and Des are the only one I really wanted to see, that's why I didn't noticed that all three ladies talked over their man.

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anyone watching tonite?