*No Spoilers* The Bachelor - General Discussion

jimmy21 wrote:Man, I am finding it impossible to keep track of these girls names, but clare is the mixed race asian girl I'm sure.

She's just being asian, I doubt that her behavior is a reflection of (allegedly) being pressured to do the show by some unscrupulous agent.

Sharlene is the mixed race Asian girl, bro.

That's right. I'm having a tough time with that unconventional spelling of the name as well. Clare is the clingy hispanic/white chick, lol.

Anyway, 'interesting' show. It's my first time watching the bachelor series.

Interesting forum too. It seems like most are interested in figuring out the results ahead of time. Why bother to watch the show if you know the results ahead of time?

If I want to see a newly released film, I'm not in a rush to read about the ending, in fact, I try to avoid spoilers.

jimmy21 - on this section of the board we are avoiding the spoilers as well. We are attempting to figure out the pieces by tracking editing patterns and doing screen cap analysis from the various promos to figure out how the season pans out. We do it because we have fun having these discussions. Its also called Sleuthing and this concept has been around for many many seasons.

I was just thinking if you guys want to discuss if there is a possiblity of a no pick, someone returning, JP changing his mind at the end or any of the unorthodox endings possible ?

nd4, not sure about anyone else but I don't feel that I have enough information to even speculate about that yet. I haven't seen anything on the show or previews that would point to a "no pick" or other alternative ending. Anything is possible but right now, I would just be making up scenarios.

When all of the old Jason Mesnick videos mysteriously disappeared from youtube, I did begin questioning if Fleiss & Co. had something-something going on... that is, they could potentially brainwash Juan Boy into making the wrong choice so he has to do a switcheroo after FRC. In a peculiar way, Andi does vaguely resemble a Jillian Harris type F3, Nikki a Melissa-type, who could be picked temporarily because he thinks she's best for Camilla, and Clare as hornier-than-usual Molly (famous for "coming home in Jason's clothes" after a date). Yet I no longer think they could pull it off.

I also thought maybe Sharleen leaves and comes back as F1, but her skepticism would have been subdued more in episode #1. A 180 degree turnaround wouldn't be believable. Now... I can STILL see her coming back in the fantasy date episode and viewers wondering if he takes her. This will give viewers another two weeks of suspense with three contestants, instead of two, in the running again... since we will have to sit through a Women Tell Nothing show in-between.

Since Andi's screencap footage is limited at fantasy date time, she could very well leave abruptly and Juan blubbers all over the place since she suddenly skyrocketed overnight as his One True L-U-V. All it takes is one great hometown date to alter the "pecking order" in his mind. Actually THIS scenario makes sense since it has been recycled too many past seasons to remember. Andi doesn't even have to be Juan's favorite... the editors just have to make viewers THINK she is. It is ssssoooooo easy for them to do.

Going by all we have seen in promos, what may happen is simply this:

Juan wants both a step-mommy and to appear as a total P-R-U-D-E on national TV, but his "lust" comes out on account of Princess Clairol. The boy can't help himself. Yet he acts all "ashamed" of the hanky panky since Little Camilla might consider his actions too "perverted"... excuse me... I meant to say "intense". Thus, Juan keeps behaving "hot" and "cold" with Princess Clairol and driving her bonkers. Also we have the rivalry between her and Nikki, so the producers will have a field day if they wind up as the final two. Perhaps both meet Camilla and she screams bloody murder with Princess Clairol... and clings to Nicki like she's Mary Poppins. Oooooooh! What will Juan do?

[quote="JBF"]When all of the old Jason Mesnick videos mysteriously disappeared from youtube, I did begin questioning if Fleiss & Co. had something-something going on... that is, they could potentially brainwash Juan Boy into making the wrong choice so he has to do a switcheroo after FRC. In a peculiar way, Andi does vaguely resemble a Jillian Harris type F3, Nikki a Melissa-type, who could be picked temporarily because he thinks she's best for Camilla, and Clare as hornier-than-usual Molly (famous for "coming home in Jason's clothes" after a date). Yet I no longer think they could pull it off.

I also thought maybe Sharleen leaves and comes back as F1, but her skepticism would have been subdued more in episode #1. A 180 degree turnaround wouldn't be believable. Now... I can STILL see her coming back in the fantasy date episode and viewers wondering if he takes her. This will give viewers another two weeks of suspense with three contestants, instead of two, in the running again... since we will have to sit through a Women Tell Nothing show in-between.

Since Andi's screencap footage is limited at fantasy date time, she could very well leave abruptly and Juan blubbers all over the place since she suddenly skyrocketed overnight as his One True L-U-V. All it takes is one great hometown date to alter the "pecking order" in his mind. Actually THIS scenario makes sense since it has been recycled too many past seasons to remember. Andi doesn't even have to be Juan's favorite... the editors just have to make viewers THINK she is. It is ssssoooooo easy for them to do.

Going by all we have seen in promos, what may happen is simply this:

Juan wants both a step-mommy and to appear as a total P-R-U-D-E on national TV, but his "lust" comes out on account of Princess Clairol. The boy can't help himself. Yet he acts all "ashamed" of the hanky panky since Little Camilla might consider his actions too "perverted"... excuse me... I meant to say "intense". Thus, Juan keeps behaving "hot" and "cold" with Princess Clairol and driving her bonkers. Also we have the rivalry between her and Nikki, so the producers will have a field day if they wind up as the final two. Perhaps both meet Camilla and she screams bloody murder with Princess Clairol... and clings to Nicki like she's Mary Poppins. Oooooooh! What will Juan do?[/quote]

As always you have much food for thought! I can really see the bold part as a scenario. It seems almost logical.

I was curious if I confused everybody with my meandering analysis... LOL! It is just that nd4reality asked a tough question to answer with any certainty.

JBF wrote:I was curious if I confused everybody with my meandering analysis... LOL! It is just that nd4reality asked a tough question to answer with any certainty.

Would it be succinct to say that you're suggesting Juan lets his decision be informed more by little Camilla rather than little Juan?

Litta123 wrote:

JBF wrote:I was curious if I confused everybody with my meandering analysis... LOL! It is just that nd4reality asked a tough question to answer with any certainty.

Would it be succinct to say that you're suggesting Juan lets his decision be informed more by little Camilla rather than little Juan?

I think Juan is infatuated/lust with Clara. But, at the end of the day, he will come to his sense because Camilla "is my everything".

Litta123 wrote:

JBF wrote:I was curious if I confused everybody with my meandering analysis... LOL! It is just that nd4reality asked a tough question to answer with any certainty.

Would it be succinct to say that you're suggesting Juan lets his decision be informed more by little Camilla rather than little Juan?

I re-edited my post because that was EXACTLY what I was posting, but got fearful I was getting too-too "Freudian" for this wholesome forum again. Need to keep the brakes on. After all, Juan leaves nothing to the imagination with his champagne bottle.

Maggenzm wrote:I think Juan is infatuated/lust with Clara. But, at the end of the day, he will come to his sense because Camilla "is my everything".

Remember when Juan tried to force-feed Camilla chicken and she put up resistance? Ditto: Clare and the fried octopus.

As Princess Clairol said her bio intro: "A man who can love his daughter THAT much. I think he can love me THAT much."

Just enjoy the Princess' journey. She may not be a "lovable" as Prince Siegfried, but she is providing me a season full of tearful laughs.

As they say... one photo is worth a thousand words...

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JBF wrote:

Litta123 wrote:

JBF wrote:I was curious if I confused everybody with my meandering analysis... LOL! It is just that nd4reality asked a tough question to answer with any certainty.

Would it be succinct to say that you're suggesting Juan lets his decision be informed more by little Camilla rather than little Juan?

I re-edited my post because that was EXACTLY what I was posting, but got fearful I was getting too-too "Freudian" for this wholesome forum again. Need to keep the brakes on. After all, Juan leaves nothing to the imagination with his champagne bottle.

Maggenzm wrote:I think Juan is infatuated/lust with Clara. But, at the end of the day, he will come to his sense because Camilla "is my everything".

Remember when Juan tried to force-feed Camilla chicken and she put up resistance? Ditto: Clare and the fried octopus.

As Princess Clairol said her bio intro: "A man who can love his daughter THAT much. I think he can love me THAT much."

Just enjoy the Princess' journey. She may not be a "lovable" as Prince Siegfried, but she is providing me a season full of tearful laughs.

As they say... one photo is worth a thousand words...

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Alright JBF! I will enjoy the journey, but, I would really be absent like the Brookes team if he picks her, not as cruel though.