Desiree Hartsock & Chris Siegfried - Media - Discussion

mercieme wrote:

grace8136 wrote:After the finale part 1, I said that a proposal from either Chris or Brooks did not make sense to me. So I have been trying to make sense of it. She was not allowed to tell Chris that Drew was gone. Chris knew what was happening because of the quote in the journal saying it's not where we are now, but the direction we were going. Despite that he wanted an engagement. I don't believe 5 days was enough time for her to have an epiphany. I do believe she wanted to try with him in RL. TPTB gave her 2 choices, reject his proposal and tell him let's try outside or the show or accept the proposal. The first choice is not what Chris wanted, the 2nd choice made him happy. Not many guys would have reacted the way he did, but is was clear that he wanted to be engaged despite Brooks.

So, in a way, I see it as her taking a leap of faith based on his confidence and giving him what he wanted that day rather than making him sad with a rejection to his proposal. I do think she had an epiphany while watching it back, spending time with him, sleeping with him. Her favoriting that tweets about Brooks is gross, glad you didn't pick him.. was not so much that she thought he was gross, but that she's glad she didn't end up with NOW.

I don't think you can form an unbreakable bond with someone after 3 dates and a couple of group dates. What she is sharing with Chris is on a whole different level, so I don't think she is regretting not ending up with Brooks. I think she was still a little sad at the FRC, but not now. JMHO and it took me awhile to get there. Maybe I will even change my avi. I like the pic of Chris laughing in the People spread. :Smiley: 

Hey Grace, nice write up, you may want to share with some of the Brooks fans that is if you are allowed to post in their fan thread. Maybe it wll allow them to get the closure some of them are seeking regarding all that took place :Smiley:

Thanks! I don't think they want to hear it. They have to work it out in their own way I think, even if we disagree and unfortunately there's not a middle ground discussion thread for people to come together on it.

mimitalks wrote:
One thing that is telling. When did she say what - was it a VO or an ITM? And...what was she wearing when she said it? For example, was she wearing totally different clothes than she is wearing in what she is referencing? If so, that shouts to me that is an after-the-season-played-out edit. Someone here (Mura?) mentioned how tan Chris looked like in one of his ITM's - the one where he said Brooks was so good, so charming. Start at the beginning. You see Brooks come back - Chris in an ITM in the clothes he's wearing on the date, then later in a purple T-shirt with a nice tan...(edited in after he proposed and the show season was "over"?) Methinks so... 

That was beautiful to watch. And all of Chris' VOs at the end are just so telling of how much he cares for Desiree. I know they "splice and dice" and I'm sure several of his thoughts were pulled from later in the season when he knew he loved her.

kash wrote:This is just getting ridiculous. Do we really need 12 pages of people saying these two look cute together?

Desiree is a complete fraud and a liar. The show itself is totally unbelievable and ridiculous.

Ep. 10 where desiree broke down and let it all hang out has been the only honest thing about the entire series.

Too bad that Desiree is now lying through her teeth about everything.

And you're in this thread because.......??????? 

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marriedtoabaritone wrote:

mimitalks wrote:
One thing that is telling. When did she say what - was it a VO or an ITM? And...what was she wearing when she said it? For example, was she wearing totally different clothes than she is wearing in what she is referencing? If so, that shouts to me that is an after-the-season-played-out edit. Someone here (Mura?) mentioned how tan Chris looked like in one of his ITM's - the one where he said Brooks was so good, so charming. Start at the beginning. You see Brooks come back - Chris in an ITM in the clothes he's wearing on the date, then later in a purple T-shirt with a nice tan...(edited in after he proposed and the show season was "over"?) Methinks so... 

That was beautiful to watch. And all of Chris' VOs at the end are just so telling of how much he cares for Desiree. I know they "splice and dice" and I'm sure several of his thoughts were pulled from later in the season when he knew he loved her.

I love that you are married to a baritone - in a barbershop quartet, right? What fun that must be - for him to do, for you to share in. Glad you are in Chrisville. We need people focusing on all points in the story they are telling us. Keeps us viewers grounded when we try to see between the edits for the real truth of the matter. In this case, 2 people were building a relationship that could make it past the show. Once the blinders were off, both realized it. I love this thread - let's keep keeping it a positive place to be.

grace8136 wrote:

mercieme wrote:

grace8136 wrote:After the finale part 1, I said that a proposal from either Chris or Brooks did not make sense to me. So I have been trying to make sense of it. She was not allowed to tell Chris that Drew was gone. Chris knew what was happening because of the quote in the journal saying it's not where we are now, but the direction we were going. Despite that he wanted an engagement. I don't believe 5 days was enough time for her to have an epiphany. I do believe she wanted to try with him in RL. TPTB gave her 2 choices, reject his proposal and tell him let's try outside or the show or accept the proposal. The first choice is not what Chris wanted, the 2nd choice made him happy. Not many guys would have reacted the way he did, but is was clear that he wanted to be engaged despite Brooks.

So, in a way, I see it as her taking a leap of faith based on his confidence and giving him what he wanted that day rather than making him sad with a rejection to his proposal. I do think she had an epiphany while watching it back, spending time with him, sleeping with him. Her favoriting that tweets about Brooks is gross, glad you didn't pick him.. was not so much that she thought he was gross, but that she's glad she didn't end up with NOW.

I don't think you can form an unbreakable bond with someone after 3 dates and a couple of group dates. What she is sharing with Chris is on a whole different level, so I don't think she is regretting not ending up with Brooks. I think she was still a little sad at the FRC, but not now. JMHO and it took me awhile to get there. Maybe I will even change my avi. I like the pic of Chris laughing in the People spread. :Smiley: 

Hey Grace, nice write up, you may want to share with some of the Brooks fans that is if you are allowed to post in their fan thread. Maybe it wll allow them to get the closure some of them are seeking regarding all that took place :Smiley:

Thanks! I don't think they want to hear it. They have to work it out in their own way I think, even if we disagree and unfortunately there's not a middle ground discussion thread for people to come together on it.

Good thoughts, Grace! I had a long list of things that I wanted to see from Des going into finale and some I got (letting Drew go ASAP, seeing her smile w/her eyes again with Chris, her family instantly liking him) and some I didn't (Brooks coming back and Des rejecting him). What helped me accept the finale proposal were several things:

1) Believing all along that Chris/Des relationship was far stronger and more grounded on shared interests and family backgrounds. Chris & Des were always moving forward and never once did I see either one pull back whereas I saw Des pull back from Zak, Drew and James (the other guys who may have been in running).

2) Believing she did love Chris more all along as evidence by her actions ... writing poem, creating sketches ... her little squeal of joy in ep 4 when learned Chris wrote poetry, the tears in her eyes each time he read one, telling him in ep 7 that she wanted him to meet her parents, taking him to her bedroom in ep 6 and gushing about how he was good at everything ... she really admired Chris plus had that chemistry with him (rolling around kissing in waves during FD).

3) Des had been a crier from first episode to last. By end she had endured lack of sleep, crazy travel, lots of alcohol, producer manipulation, the "process" & emotional rollercoaster of doing the rejecting and being rejected. Plus she cried when Bryden left in Munich/ep 5 and said she just wanted to get back to her happy place with Chris. Well, she went right back there again after Brooks left and it was very quickly ... Brooks who?

3) Yes, we heard Des say she was in love with Brooks and falling in love with Chris. While producers gave us more on Brooks, she may have said just as much about Chris but they chose not to let us hear.  Good old cutting room floor strikes again!

4) Brooks never loved her. He started pulling back in ep 7/cloud nine date (and told the camera in ITM). He spent a good deal of HTD quizzing his family about how would he know. Well, you just do! It was all about the chase w/ Brooks and he just didn't want to be caught so it gave her an even greater urgency to catch him.  It was her "job," after all, to get multiple guys to fall in love with her. Plus, Des/Chris had great FD plus LCD and family date. Brooks had none of those crucial dates.

5) My own reaction ... crying throughout proposal. Yes, I am a sucker for this silly show but everything seemed so genuine & raw. I totally believed her when she said to Chris that she felt bad/guilty for letting herself get clouded by Brooks when it was always Chris ... cause it really was! Their relationship was the only love story and just re-watching their scenes/dates prove it. Even Des (and Chris H) said that she & Chris S spent lots of time together during group dates that TPTB chose not to show and he was always by her side. I keep thinking of that ship ride into Madeira with Chris being the only guy on one side and the one to hold her hand down the plank while Brooks & Co went ahead of them.

Finally, viewers want/expect a proposal. The Chris/Des proposal is just as valid/appropriate as any other for this show. My preference for ALL couples ... from Chres to JASH ... is to have them date in real world and then see proposal at ATFR. But, they did take a chance and Des & Chris are both glowing & sure seem happy/comfortable/in love.

And, I actually do love that they are focused on each other and moving to Seattle vs. milking their experience. I am looking forward to not reading much - if anything - about them in tabloids cuz I seriously doubt there is any dirt to expose unlike last season, which was H O R R I B L E for JEM fans.

I WAS I'm sorry to say one of those that believed the spoilers so I watched with a jaded eye.   Shame on me - never again.

So I have been watching Des and Chris's episodes (more times that I won't to admit :Smiley: ) and I really think she was in love with Chris early on.  Oh she had a massive physical love for Brooks, but several times she talks about needing someone who communicates, who can express his emotions and that is not Brooks - and I think she knew that.  

I find it interesting - and some what telling - that Chris was SO confident.  After she accepts his proposal, when they are hugging and kissing, she says "we did it" or something very close to that.   She was whispering which they did together starting very early on.  To me that's not something you would say if you were unsure about the outcome.  

I see Fleiss all over this - not necessarily manufacturing the Brooks break up but definitely feeding lines to Des both during the walk back with Brooks after the crying scene and in her PI's. I'm not saying she wasn't truly upset when Brooks left and that she did love him, because I think she did-- I just am not sure she would have chosen him at the end.   She's been on her own a long time and I think she knows how to take care of herself and what she needs/wants in a partner.    I'm sure they had an idea that Brooks was going to leave - and Fleiss saw his chance to set up the best revenge against spoilers ever.   Maybe it would work, maybe not but why not try.   They were definitely at a point in the productions where they could manipulate the scenes and publicity.  

 Maybe that's just my over active imagination - but I can see how it would work.

MVMom,

I could not agree with you more! Great post.  

eliza3 wrote:I WAS I'm sorry to say one of those that believed the spoilers so I watched with a jaded eye.   Shame on me - never again.

So I have been watching Des and Chris's episodes (more times that I won't to admit :Smiley: ) and I really think she was in love with Chris early on.  Oh she had a massive physical love for Brooks, but several times she talks about needing someone who communicates, who can express his emotions and that is not Brooks - and I think she knew that.  

I find it interesting - and some what telling - that Chris was SO confident.  After she accepts his proposal, when they are hugging and kissing, she says "we did it" or something very close to that.   She was whispering which they did together starting very early on.  To me that's not something you would say if you were unsure about the outcome.  

I see Fleiss all over this - not necessarily manufacturing the Brooks break up but definitely feeding lines to Des both during the walk back with Brooks after the crying scene and in her PI's. I'm not saying she wasn't truly upset when Brooks left and that she did love him, because I think she did-- I just am not sure she would have chosen him at the end.   She's been on her own a long time and I think she knows how to take care of herself and what she needs/wants in a partner.    I'm sure they had an idea that Brooks was going to leave - and Fleiss saw his chance to set up the best revenge against spoilers ever.   Maybe it would work, maybe not but why not try.   They were definitely at a point in the productions where they could manipulate the scenes and publicity.  

 Maybe that's just my over active imagination - but I can see how it would work.

Welcome to Chresville (formerly Chrisville!) Great insights ... many of us think so too ... and, LOVE the Fleiss spoiler caper

I've posted before that my "tell" in real life, to know when a couple will end up together forever, is when they start telling me early on how "easy" the relationship is.  I noticed Des saying that multiple times talking about Chris, but I was writing it off as  the producers stealing my "tell" to mislead people like me.  So maybe they didn't steal it.  And maybe they didn't lead her to say it.  Impossible to know since it was mostly voice overs, which I never trust.

I don't think most people who describe their young relationships that way realize what it means to happily married older ladies like me; it is an honest expression in the moment.  But it IS very telling:  love is not supposed to cause agony or hurt.  It is supposed to leave you feeling confident.

So that is what gives me hope that this convoluted ending might actually be the real thing, and that they have a chance to make it.

Time will tell.

dw_a_mom wrote:I've posted before that my "tell" in real life, to know when a couple will end up together forever, is when they start telling me early on how "easy" the relationship is.  I noticed Des saying that multiple times talking about Chris, but I was writing it off as  the producers stealing my "tell" to mislead people like me.  So maybe they didn't steal it.  And maybe they didn't lead her to say it.  Impossible to know since it was mostly voice overs, which I never trust.

I don't think most people who describe their young relationships that way realize what it means to happily married older ladies like me; it is an honest expression in the moment.  But it IS very telling:  love is not supposed to cause agony or hurt.  It is supposed to leave you feeling confident.

So that is what gives me hope that this convoluted ending might actually be the real thing, and that they have a chance to make it.

Time will tell.

ITA with you and to piggy back of off this thought, this is also why she probably thought something was wrong or missing with Chris because the relationships she's used to are what she had with Brooks- chasing the guy and rife with insecurity.

Alanna wrote:

dw_a_mom wrote:I've posted before that my "tell" in real life, to know when a couple will end up together forever, is when they start telling me early on how "easy" the relationship is.  I noticed Des saying that multiple times talking about Chris, but I was writing it off as  the producers stealing my "tell" to mislead people like me.  So maybe they didn't steal it.  And maybe they didn't lead her to say it.  Impossible to know since it was mostly voice overs, which I never trust.

I don't think most people who describe their young relationships that way realize what it means to happily married older ladies like me; it is an honest expression in the moment.  But it IS very telling:  love is not supposed to cause agony or hurt.  It is supposed to leave you feeling confident.

So that is what gives me hope that this convoluted ending might actually be the real thing, and that they have a chance to make it.

Time will tell.

ITA with you and to piggy back of off this thought, this is also why she probably thought something was wrong or missing with Chris because the relationships she's used to are what she had with Brooks- chasing the guy and rife with insecurity.

Agree wit the piggback.  It was quite clear that through most of the show she had a wrong idea about what love was supposed to feel like.  I just could never be sure how much of that was storyline and producer nudging v. real Des.

I hope that she is meaning what she is saying about Chris, and that her leap of faith with him (ALL proposals on this show are nothing more than leaps of faith, IMHO) was sincere and coming from the right place.