Episode 10 (Finale Part 1) - 7/29 - Bachelorette 9 - Discussion - Spoilers

BarbB222 wrote:^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Very Well Said NV^^^^^^^^^^^

I agree!

And I for sure don't believe this stuff about if Des chooses Brooks she'll never be able to trust his love, never be able to trust that he won't leave.  Crikey.  Humans make mistakes, and it doesn't mean they are always doomed to repeat them.  Possibly Brooks didn't even make a mistake, he just wasn't fully aware of what his heart was feeling, or wouldn't allow himself to be fully aware of what his heart was feeling because he was inside his head thinking of how crazy this process can be.

BarbB222 wrote:

albean99 wrote:A lot of us don't want our guy being picked if Des isn't feeling it but we also don't want her hurt by someone who said he wasn't in love with her just a few short days before. Was he lying then or later? I know love is risky but I can't help thinking "fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me".

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If Brooks came to that ^^^ conclusion after his delusion why would it be shame on Des. This is an unreal environment to fall in love . Brooks tried to keep it real and so will his realization be.

  

Kashathediva wrote:

LLiza wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

LLiza wrote:

Swissmiss wrote:

luvstx wrote:And since this is still the FD episode thread, has it been brought up at all how unimpressive the fantasy suites really were?!?  Bad publicity for the Verandah in my opinion.  All the rooms were so small and didn't look luxurious at all.  Chris' outdoor space and hot tub were nice but the 'suite' that Drew had was bare bones.

I moved down there in 1998 to help set up a non profit. The Verandah is nice especially the grounds but is known as being a family friendly place more than a luxury resort. There are about four other resorts down there that would have been a better choice. I was kind of surprised. I never stayed there but did attend meetings. Nice but not exotic like usual.

Thanks, Swissmiss, for the info.  I am not surprised.  The very nicest resorts are most likely unwilling to close down so much of their facility just to film a TV game show.  The amount of turmoil it takes just to film the town scenes (and manufacture parades and concerts) is not welcome to those who either reside or vacation there.  I highly doubt that MF pays the resorts enough to cover closing down their rooms and property for several days.  Did you notice any people hanging around/vacationing in the scenes last night??  Looked like a ghost town to me!!  LOL

I had mentioned it before, but will bring it up again.
In the past, the franchise has utilized the Rosewood group which has a lot of international hotels/resorts. There is a Rosewood resort in Antigua. I do not know why they were not utilized this time around. it is a beautiful resort.
In the past, the franchise is basically comped for stays, tours, meals etc--just about anything you can think of in terms of services.(limos, airfare) So the cost of production of this show is basically ZILCH. In return, the people offering the freebies get credit and advertisement which is proves to be lucrative for them.
Hope this helps.

Oh one more thing: in the past for fantasy suite a fee of 550$/night would have been a pittance, even though that might not be our budget. I'm thinking Jason's season some of those locals were in the thousands a night. Again, the places are comped so it's not an issue to TPTB.

Kasha, I have read and re-read your response -- many times -- but I don't understand why you think, in light of the lack of financial risk for TPTB, they couldn't find a nicer place to accommodate their filming.  While the financial costs for the resort may be inconsequential, I find it tough to believe that the goodwill risks to the vacationers and local alike are worth it.  I know that the residents are not happy at all when their lives are turned upside down for a few days for a silly tv show.  I've been in that situation.  Worse yet is the vacation experience for those who have saved for a great trip, only to be restricted by the crew and "actors".

Where does your info fit in??  I'm not trying to be snarky...I truly don't understand, and I'd like to know!!

I wish I could help you, but I can't. :Smiley: 
I  have little tolerance for celebs receiving VIP treatment!! After all, we all put our pants on the same way as far as I'm concerned. So I am sure it would be a total inconvenience. With that being said--over all the seasons until recently, I have not seen much in the complaint department from those it would have interfered. So I can't give insight there.
Oooh one thing I just remembered and wanted to add: Many times when it comes to the FD/LCD portion of the show they "rent" out villas and private residences for more privacy and luxury and this seems to detract from over running the resort issue. I was surprised they did not do that this season, but then we do have one more episode to go.
What I do know is it has helped tourism in many locales the show has highlighted, especially in the last few seasons. So maybe the risk was worth it to those vendors. People love staying where the is show has highlighted!
Don't worry about your snark--I didn't take it as being such and have thick skin!
Wish I could answer your question better, maybe someone else can.

I live back in the states now but still have friends working down there. The reality is that the five star properties are so expensive only the super wealthy can rent many of them. In order to be a five star resort you need to cater to all including VIP treatment. Then you have an older couple or even a newlywed who breaks the bank for that one special occasion I don't think it is fair to have their holiday ruined thanks to MF. The locals here have a different take on tourists. They like them in small quantities but a circus like this they are not too happy about. While we might be fans of the show not all are and the ratings are dropping. I don't think this franchise is going to make or break the tourism industry on this island. It has prided itself in being a quiet oasis. Having lived there and still a regular visitor I go there not only for business but quiet. Eric Clapton does rent his home but like many of the owners like their home intact after the fact and not shown on national TV. It is a very private place. I am not saying it is right or wrong but it is the ones who live there or own there that have decided to keep it this way.

BarbB222 wrote:

albean99 wrote:A lot of us don't want our guy being picked if Des isn't feeling it but we also don't want her hurt by someone who said he wasn't in love with her just a few short days before. Was he lying then or later? I know love is risky but I can't help thinking "fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me".

Your own signature say,
_________________
"Love is the Only Reality" -Ed Lambton


If Brooks came to that ^^^ conclusion after his delusion why would it be shame on Des. This is an unreal environment to fall in love . Brooks tried to keep it real and so will his realization be.

I heard Brooks saying very clearly that he's been in love before and this isn't it plus that Des isn't the love of his life. That's reality.

albean99 wrote:

BarbB222 wrote:

albean99 wrote:A lot of us don't want our guy being picked if Des isn't feeling it but we also don't want her hurt by someone who said he wasn't in love with her just a few short days before. Was he lying then or later? I know love is risky but I can't help thinking "fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me".

Your own signature say,
_________________
"Love is the Only Reality" -Ed Lambton


If Brooks came to that ^^^ conclusion after his delusion why would it be shame on Des. This is an unreal environment to fall in love . Brooks tried to keep it real and so will his realization be.

I heard Brooks saying very clearly that he's been in love before and this isn't it plus that Des isn't the love of his life. That's reality.

Yes, but that was before she told him she was in love with him and that she only wanted to be with him, screw all the other guys. It makes a difference. It made a difference. His reaction, the change in him was immediate. The PIs show he's conflicted, too.

SusieQ wrote:

albean99 wrote:

BarbB222 wrote:

albean99 wrote:A lot of us don't want our guy being picked if Des isn't feeling it but we also don't want her hurt by someone who said he wasn't in love with her just a few short days before. Was he lying then or later? I know love is risky but I can't help thinking "fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me".

Your own signature say,
_________________
"Love is the Only Reality" -Ed Lambton


If Brooks came to that ^^^ conclusion after his delusion why would it be shame on Des. This is an unreal environment to fall in love . Brooks tried to keep it real and so will his realization be.

I heard Brooks saying very clearly that he's been in love before and this isn't it plus that Des isn't the love of his life. That's reality.

Yes, but that was before she told him she was in love with him and that she only wanted to be with him, screw all the other guys. It makes a difference. It made a difference. His reaction, the change in him was immediate. The PIs show he's conflicted, too.

What you are seeing as conflicted, others see as him feeling guilty.

Being in love with someone is not contingent upon them being in love with you - you either feel it or you don't. Saying Brooks suddenly decides he is in love with Des because she says she loves him would be like saying Des no longer has feelings for Brooks because he said he doesn't love her.

It just doesn't work that way.

SoutherMomOf4 well said! It is not like a light switch. I might be in the minority but I just want this season over and all four can continue their lives as they were meant to be. I think this is too much drama.

SouthernMomOf4 wrote:

SusieQ wrote:

albean99 wrote:

BarbB222 wrote:

albean99 wrote:A lot of us don't want our guy being picked if Des isn't feeling it but we also don't want her hurt by someone who said he wasn't in love with her just a few short days before. Was he lying then or later? I know love is risky but I can't help thinking "fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me".

Your own signature say,
_________________
"Love is the Only Reality" -Ed Lambton


If Brooks came to that ^^^ conclusion after his delusion why would it be shame on Des. This is an unreal environment to fall in love . Brooks tried to keep it real and so will his realization be.

I heard Brooks saying very clearly that he's been in love before and this isn't it plus that Des isn't the love of his life. That's reality.

Yes, but that was before she told him she was in love with him and that she only wanted to be with him, screw all the other guys. It makes a difference. It made a difference. His reaction, the change in him was immediate. The PIs show he's conflicted, too.

What you are seeing as conflicted, others see as him feeling guilty.

Being in love with someone is not contingent upon them being in love with you - you either feel it or you don't.   Saying Brooks suddenly decides he is in love with Des because she says she loves him would be like saying Des no longer has feelings for Brooks because he said he doesn't love her.

It just doesn't work that way.

It made a difference. Look at his reaction when she says she loves him. Yes, it made him feel more guilty, but it also made him want to stick around and not leave. Before he was feeling bad about hurting her. That made it even more so, but it also made him conflicted. He didn't want to leave after she said that. He said this in his PI. I think he was just afraid to open up his heart to her because there were other guys there, so he never let himself go completely. But after she made it safe and he sat there and thought about it after he left, his true feelings probably started to surface, the ones that he'd bottled up or kept behind the wall around his heart.

Anyone expected to fall in love during the show's timeframe is ridiculous.  It's really quite comical people.  What, Brooks had 2 full dates and a few group dates, and 1 hometown..total quality time together may amount to 2 1/2 to 3 days at most...he's supposed to know and confide that he's fallin in love enough to propose....ridiculous!  I'm surprised every season there aren't more contestants like him who question the whole scenario.  The guy's a thinker...I believe when he spied Des and James lockin lips in that igloo, he got a rude awakening! 

albean99 wrote:

BarbB222 wrote:

albean99 wrote:A lot of us don't want our guy being picked if Des isn't feeling it but we also don't want her hurt by someone who said he wasn't in love with her just a few short days before. Was he lying then or later? I know love is risky but I can't help thinking "fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me".

Your own signature say,
_________________
"Love is the Only Reality" -Ed Lambton


If Brooks came to that ^^^ conclusion after his delusion why would it be shame on Des. This is an unreal environment to fall in love . Brooks tried to keep it real and so will his realization be.

I heard Brooks saying very clearly that he's been in love before and this isn't it plus that Des isn't the love of his life. That's reality.

No , that's reality on where it stands now. But if Brooks' realization makes him rethink everything and he returns to express the love he always had but didn't realize it, that's the new reality! If Brooks doesn't come back then your statement stands.

First of all, we all know they can Frankenbite whatever they choose. Second of all, the man was not conflicted at all when he told CH he was not in love in Des.

That being said, folks are going to see what they want to see. Agree to disagree.

After watching every season of this drivel I will say this, if we see Brooks propose to Des next week the viewing audience is most certainly getting their "fairytale" ending.

There are many different layers of feelings of love .. And they certainly can fluctuate quickly without a second thought