Re: Episode 11 (Finale Part 2) - 8/05 - Bachelorette 9 - Thread #1

by Guest Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:14 am

SueSt wrote:
Piper61 wrote:
Ariela wrote:
SueSt wrote:Ok... just ruminating here in the absence of more information...

So Brooks leaves then immediately feels bad and returns to try and work it out.
Let's say Des rejects him at this point... and moves forward with Chris and Drew.

At some point she tells (or they find out) Chris/Drew about Brooks ... and Drew leaves (crying scene), Chris stays.
Then Des realizes that either:
1. it was Chris all along... and they end up together
2. She really wanted Drew all along and pursues him.

Thoughts?

I think she's just going to be irrational and Brooks all the way. She will just be binding her time with the other 2. I think it's Brooks or nobody. She's going into Antigua with ONLY Brooks on her mind. She had been set since the first date that she was in love with Brooks. Chris S is convenient to dump as F2. Drew is hot and she's physically attracted to him, bur EMOTIONALLY she is shut down to Chris and Drew. MF is going to put her on a rollercoaster ride with Brooks. In the end Brooks will come through and Des with get her prince.

Des being in love with Brooks after 1 date is disturbing to me. How is it that going into HTD they are so far apart in their emotional process? Either MF is a master at hiding the REAL love story between Des and Chris and/or Drew, or this girl is going to get her heart broken after the show if she chooses Brooks. IMO nobody is ready to make a commitment in a couple of days....and this is where the story is heading. Des picking non- committal Brooks. I feel sorry for Drew and Chris who have been nothing but gentlemen protecting, and supportive. I hope that they find out what is going on and will choose to GO HOME.
We can all see things differently. I believe there are those times where it's instant attraction/love at first sight, and it's possible that happened with Des when Brooks came out of the limo first. And we really don't have to much to go on with how much time they spent talking at the M&G, but by episode 2, he had the first 1-on-1 and she had said she was excited to see Brooks, had butterflies about seeing him and going on the date. I believe she even said after the date, best date ever. Even so, I don't think she totally closed her heart to anyone else going forward, but I don't think she could let her first impressions of Brooks and being with Brooks go either, and continued throughout the other group dates to be around him and engage with him. I can see why her F4 turned out to be the guys she picked. There are endearing qualities about each of them, and when it came down to it, they were the best 4 out of the bunch overall to me because of how they each treated Des and interacted with Des. I don't think Brooks is non-committal at all. He's just not one to jump and worry about a parachute later. How he approached this relationship seems the most healthy, while not in line with how the premise of this show actually works. Kind of refreshing if you ask me. I believe that in the real world, this relationship stands a better chance than history has shown for other couples post show. JMHO.

Definitely agree that Brooks approach to love in the real world makes the most sense.

However, since Brooks and Des met in the context of the show, and if they are together, and particuarly if he leaves as it appears, I have real doubts as to whether they can make it work long term in the real world...

It actually has me thinking of the end of the movie, The Graduate... where Dustin Hoffman breaks into Katherine Ross' wedding to another man, yelling 'Elaine, Elaine'... and the two of them run out of the church and get on a city bus together to escape... and as the camera pans back you see their faces fall from elation to reality.... and that's the sense I have for what would happen if Brooks convinced Des to leave whatever else she might have going on.... Momentary elation followed by a feeling of 'what the f*ck did I just do???!!'

Based on CH/TPTB's statements, however, I'm thinking this may not even be the 'end'... that the drama may continue... and get even more complicated! Deep Breath!

Oh no, here I go defending Brooks and Des now, but I agree that Brooks' approach is refreshing and is not suited for a show, BUT that doesn't mean they can't see something in each other on the show, agree to get engaged, because they have to for the sake of the show, and then just pursue it after the show, where they're not told what to do. Isn't that where all past contestants have said the real falling in (or out) of love, starts? Basically, a lot of times, the engagement on this show is more like a promise ring.

by BarbB222 Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:28 am

Brooks problem is NOT commitment . It's the circumstance in which he will make that commitment. She has 2 other guys there and he saw a fourth guy get his heart ripped out in this process. A guy who thought he would be the last man standing. Brooks like Michael G said is a deep thinker about what matters most in life so, he's thinking all kind of scenarios in his mind. Like, she loves me, she loves me not etc. he knows he wants her but he doesn't feel guaranteed she will want him and the unknown affects him. It's the mind game of knowing she's dating 2 other guys while he falls deeper for her.

by Rolly Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:00 pm

Can anyone tell me how the last episode is structured or will it all be different because of the "most dramatic ending ever"?

Isn't it usually MTP, LCD, picking out the rings, FRC? When is it that the F2 and F3 are interviewed and talk to Des?

ATFR is just Des and her F1 correct?

by nd4reality Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:03 pm

Rolly wrote:nd4, your comment about the F1 revealed til the last 1/2 hour of the show...or after the show. Can you explain who thinks he won't be revealed until AFTER the show???? I hadn't heard that...why would that be? :shock:

I worded that wrong - sorry.

I meant if he comes back after she lets go both the other guys - then that would be right at the tail end of the episode (last 5 minutes or so) and all they would have time for a a swirl and then the ATFR.

by pander3575 Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:08 pm

Rolly wrote:Can anyone tell me how the last episode is structured or will it all be different because of the "most dramatic ending ever"?

Isn't it usually MTP, LCD, picking out the rings, FRC? When is it that the F2 and F3 are interviewed and talk to Des?

ATFR is just Des and her F1 correct?

At the ATFR it's usually Des, then F2, then happy couple however this time they will have to do F2 and F3 to follow the format.

by Spoil Me Again Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:33 pm

BarbB222 wrote:Brooks problem is NOT commitment . It's the circumstance in which he will make that commitment. She has 2 other guys there and he saw a fourth guy get his heart ripped out in this process. A guy who thought he would be the last man standing. Brooks like Michael G said is a deep thinker about what matters most in life so, he's thinking all kind of scenarios in his mind. Like, she loves me, she loves me not etc. he knows he wants her but he doesn't feel guaranteed she will want him and the unknown affects him. It's the mind game of knowing she's dating 2 other guys while he falls deeper for her.

by nutty1 Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:35 pm

BarbB222 wrote:Brooks problem is NOT commitment . It's the circumstance in which he will make that commitment. She has 2 other guys there and he saw a fourth guy get his heart ripped out in this process. A guy who thought he would be the last man standing. Brooks like Michael G said is a deep thinker about what matters most in life so, he's thinking all kind of scenarios in his mind. Like, she loves me, she loves me not etc. he knows he wants her but he doesn't feel guaranteed she will want him and the unknown affects him. It's the mind game of knowing she's dating 2 other guys while he falls deeper for her.

AND the mind games TPTB probably played with him!!!! My guess is that that had a big impact!!!

by julychild Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:04 pm

[quote="Spoil Me Again"]

BarbB222 wrote:Brooks problem is NOT commitment . It's the circumstance in which he will make that commitment. She has 2 other guys there and he saw a fourth guy get his heart ripped out in this process. A guy who thought he would be the last man standing. Brooks like Michael G said is a deep thinker about what matters most in life so, he's thinking all kind of scenarios in his mind. Like, she loves me, she loves me not etc. he knows he wants her but he doesn't feel guaranteed she will want him and the unknown affects him. It's the mind game of knowing she's dating 2 other guys while he falls deeper for her.

...yet, this is thing about love, even in the unrealistic nature of this silly TV show, you have to be vulnerable to love. That is the nature of love, it is ALL vulnerability with NO guarantees. No one can fall in love with walls up and thoughts running helter-skelter. You just have to be open and let go. I get Brooks because I am an over-analyst myself, but I also understand that, while it is okay to be nervous, there should be no doubts or questions.

by HowSoonIsNow Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:35 pm

BarbB222 wrote:Brooks problem is NOT commitment . It's the circumstance in which he will make that commitment. She has 2 other guys there and he saw a fourth guy get his heart ripped out in this process. A guy who thought he would be the last man standing. Brooks like Michael G said is a deep thinker about what matters most in life so, he's thinking all kind of scenarios in his mind. Like, she loves me, she loves me not etc. he knows he wants her but he doesn't feel guaranteed she will want him and the unknown affects him. It's the mind game of knowing she's dating 2 other guys while he falls deeper for her.

How do we know Brooks thought Zak would be the last guy standing? Sounds odd to me. Perhaps I missed something?

by nutty1 Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:41 pm

HowSoonIsNow wrote:
BarbB222 wrote:Brooks problem is NOT commitment . It's the circumstance in which he will make that commitment. She has 2 other guys there and he saw a fourth guy get his heart ripped out in this process. A guy who thought he would be the last man standing. Brooks like Michael G said is a deep thinker about what matters most in life so, he's thinking all kind of scenarios in his mind. Like, she loves me, she loves me not etc. he knows he wants her but he doesn't feel guaranteed she will want him and the unknown affects him. It's the mind game of knowing she's dating 2 other guys while he falls deeper for her.

How do we know Brooks thought Zak would be the last guy standing? Sounds odd to me. Perhaps I missed something?

I think she meant Zak thought he himself would be the last one standing.

by HowSoonIsNow Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:44 pm

nutty1 wrote:
HowSoonIsNow wrote:
BarbB222 wrote:Brooks problem is NOT commitment . It's the circumstance in which he will make that commitment. She has 2 other guys there and he saw a fourth guy get his heart ripped out in this process. A guy who thought he would be the last man standing. Brooks like Michael G said is a deep thinker about what matters most in life so, he's thinking all kind of scenarios in his mind. Like, she loves me, she loves me not etc. he knows he wants her but he doesn't feel guaranteed she will want him and the unknown affects him. It's the mind game of knowing she's dating 2 other guys while he falls deeper for her.

How do we know Brooks thought Zak would be the last guy standing? Sounds odd to me. Perhaps I missed something?

I think she meant Zak thought he himself would be the last one standing.

OK, thanks! LOL.... pronouns!

by Guest Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:41 am

julychild wrote:
Spoil Me Again wrote:
BarbB222 wrote:Brooks problem is NOT commitment . It's the circumstance in which he will make that commitment. She has 2 other guys there and he saw a fourth guy get his heart ripped out in this process. A guy who thought he would be the last man standing. Brooks like Michael G said is a deep thinker about what matters most in life so, he's thinking all kind of scenarios in his mind. Like, she loves me, she loves me not etc. he knows he wants her but he doesn't feel guaranteed she will want him and the unknown affects him. It's the mind game of knowing she's dating 2 other guys while he falls deeper for her.

...yet, this is thing about love, even in the unrealistic nature of this silly TV show, you have to be vulnerable to love. That is the nature of love, it is ALL vulnerability with NO guarantees. No one can fall in love with walls up and thoughts running helter-skelter. You just have to be open and let go. I get Brooks because I am an over-analyst myself, but I also understand that, while it is okay to be nervous, there should be no doubts or questions.

I love these posts. I do think it's the circumstances and nature of the "process" that is causing his fear and doubt. I hope that. He even talked to his mom about it being scary to be vulnerable and figuring out he has walls up around his heart - so I think he really is trying to look deep within himself and understand where his resistance is coming from. I think it's fascinating and refreshing to watch. I really do think it's how many of us would feel in the same situation and how many other contestants have felt, without verbalizing it. And I'm not saying it means his feelings are more valid than Chris or Drew, just that he is taking a very unique approach for this show and that doesn't mean it's a bad one. Quite the opposite to me - the best one - as much as I hate to see Desiree so upset.

If it is really his depth or strength of feelings for Desiree that are holding him back he should tell her that. At some point he has to take that leap of faith and it looks like seeing her reaction to what he tells her, plus the realization that he'll lose her for good by pulling out jolts him into doing that.

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