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How did he get from closest he's ever been to a "union" after HTD to this?

albean99 wrote:I imagine he's really in Boise for that, Nutty. My guess is he goes after the F4 RC but before Antigua. Maybe they didn't make him go right away since he had the last FD. I wonder if he didn't want to continue after the RC and they talked him into going on by letting him talk to his mom/sister? He doesn't look very happy when he's talking about whether he's in love with Des and we know he was emotional at one point because we have a SC.

I don't think he went so far as to say he didn't want to continue after the RC because of how he was on his HTD and how positive everything was with his family. I can believe that after seeing how shocked Zak was that it shook him up a bit, and he began to question himself. I think his questioning himself, his seemingly needing to soul search for the true depth of his feelings for Des have as much to do with Des as with himself. I can imagine he might get nervous about feeling confident about her feelings for him after seeing how confident Zak must have felt to be that shocked at not getting the rose. I think he looks concerned, not unhappy when he's talking about whether or not he's deeply in love with Des.

Cecilia wrote:How did he get from closest he's ever been to a "union" after HTD to this?

 
 
TPTB scripted it??? Because otherwise there would be no drama?

Thanks for posting. A couple of things that caught my eye:

Des is not wear a red dress with a statement necklace that folks have said is from her FD with Chris. So when does she wear that red dress? Could it be her FRC dress?

And there is a clip with her in a red top looking out over some water and land in Antigua. Did we have that outfit before?

Not sure that it means anything to the story line but I have been bothered for a couple of weeks about the red dress!

luvstx wrote:Thanks for posting.  A couple of things that caught my eye:

Des is not wear a red dress with a statement necklace that folks have said is from her FD with Chris.  So when does she wear that red dress?  Could it be her FRC dress?

And there is a clip with her in a red top looking out over some water and land in Antigua.  Did we have that outfit before?

Not sure that it means anything to the story line but I have been bothered for a couple of weeks about the red dress!

I thought people thought the red dress was the LCD with Chris. I dunno.

eusebeia wrote:

Cecilia wrote:How did he get from closest he's ever been to a "union" after HTD to this?

 
 
TPTB scripted it??? Because otherwise there would be no drama?

I think he is confused about his feelings in this bizarre dating setting. I don't think it can be scripted. Because it's not like he is saying that he is worried he will get his heartbroken. At least, that's not what we are hearing so far. If that were the case, then I would think TBTB were telling him that she has strong feelings with the others too. This seems to be mostly coming from him IMO. It doesn't mean I think he's a jerk, etc. But I really think he is taking it seriously and doesn't want to propose unless he is sure (which how can you be at this point?)

Piper61 wrote:

albean99 wrote:I imagine he's really in Boise for that, Nutty. My guess is he goes after the F4 RC but before Antigua. Maybe they didn't make him go right away since he had the last FD. I wonder if he didn't want to continue after the RC and they talked him into going on by letting him talk to his mom/sister? He doesn't look very happy when he's talking about whether he's in love with Des and we know he was emotional at one point because we have a SC.

I don't think he went so far as to say he didn't want to continue after the RC because of how he was on his HTD and how positive everything was with his family.  I can believe that after seeing how shocked Zak was that it shook him up a bit, and he began to question himself.  I think his questioning himself, his seemingly needing to soul search for the true depth of his feelings for Des have as much to do with Des as with himself.  I can imagine he might get nervous about feeling confident about her feelings for him after seeing how confident Zak must have felt to be that shocked at not getting the rose.  I think he looks concerned, not unhappy when he's talking about whether or not he's deeply in love with Des.  

What I see from Brooks' body language and facial expressions in this PI is pure defense mechanisms in play! He knows that he's falling in love and doesn't want to get hurt so he's almost trying to talk himself out of it in case he is rejected by Des. We have to remember that he has no idea the extent of Des' feelings for him. He seems quite shocked at how she took things during the talk near the pier. This will be his first indication of how strong her feelings are. Once he knows that, he will do something about it, I'm sure! :Nod: 

luvstx wrote:Thanks for posting.  A couple of things that caught my eye:

Des is not wear a red dress with a statement necklace that folks have said is from her FD with Chris.  So when does she wear that red dress?  Could it be her FRC dress?

And there is a clip with her in a red top looking out over some water and land in Antigua.  Did we have that outfit before?

Not sure that it means anything to the story line but I have been bothered for a couple of weeks about the red dress!

Agreed!  She is not wearing that outfit on Chris' FD and there is a Drew clip on a bed where she isn't wearing it so that leaves it down to 1)  Chris LCD  2)Drew     2nd night portion of 2 dates not yet seen meaning he doesn't leave early at the beach or 3) Brooks.

Interesting and more to think about .  Ughhh.  I promised myself I was done speculating today and just going to watch.

agentcurls wrote:

Piper61 wrote:

albean99 wrote:I imagine he's really in Boise for that, Nutty. My guess is he goes after the F4 RC but before Antigua. Maybe they didn't make him go right away since he had the last FD. I wonder if he didn't want to continue after the RC and they talked him into going on by letting him talk to his mom/sister? He doesn't look very happy when he's talking about whether he's in love with Des and we know he was emotional at one point because we have a SC.

I don't think he went so far as to say he didn't want to continue after the RC because of how he was on his HTD and how positive everything was with his family.  I can believe that after seeing how shocked Zak was that it shook him up a bit, and he began to question himself.  I think his questioning himself, his seemingly needing to soul search for the true depth of his feelings for Des have as much to do with Des as with himself.  I can imagine he might get nervous about feeling confident about her feelings for him after seeing how confident Zak must have felt to be that shocked at not getting the rose.  I think he looks concerned, not unhappy when he's talking about whether or not he's deeply in love with Des.  

What I see from Brooks' body language and facial expressions in this PI is pure defense mechanisms in play! He knows that he's falling in love and doesn't want to get hurt so he's almost trying to talk himself out of it in case he is rejected by Des. We have to remember that he has no idea the extent of Des' feelings for him. He seems quite shocked at how she took things during the talk near the pier. This will be his first indication of how strong her feelings are. Once he knows that, he will do something about it, I'm sure! :Nod: 

Totally agree. There are several instances in prior episodes to me where he looks almost pleasantly surprised at what Des says to/about him. I really don't think he trusts that he knows where he stands with her even though she thinks she is being reassuring. He has never had a PI saying something confident about ending up with her, or how strong their connection it etc. I think his over-analysing is going both ways.

relaxing wrote:

luvstx wrote:Thanks for posting.  A couple of things that caught my eye:

Des is not wear a red dress with a statement necklace that folks have said is from her FD with Chris.  So when does she wear that red dress?  Could it be her FRC dress?

And there is a clip with her in a red top looking out over some water and land in Antigua.  Did we have that outfit before?

Not sure that it means anything to the story line but I have been bothered for a couple of weeks about the red dress!

Agreed!  She is not wearing that outfit on Chris' FD and there is a Drew clip on a bed where she isn't wearing it so that leaves it down to 1)  Chris LCD  2)Drew     2nd night portion of 2 dates not yet seen meaning he doesn't leave early at the beach or 3 ) Brooks.

Interesting and more to think about .  Ughhh.  I promised myself I was done speculating today and just going to watch.

I was thinking that the red dress PI she looks overcome and maybe not in a good way. Maybe she has been with Brooks, but is just overcome with all the love she is getting from Chris ( and possibly Brooks, too at that moment) and knows she is going to break someone's heart. Plus, if she lets Brooks back in, some viewers may not understand and be disappointed in her. The " I've never felt so loved" sounds and looks bittersweet.

relaxing wrote:

agentcurls wrote:

Piper61 wrote:

albean99 wrote:I imagine he's really in Boise for that, Nutty. My guess is he goes after the F4 RC but before Antigua. Maybe they didn't make him go right away since he had the last FD. I wonder if he didn't want to continue after the RC and they talked him into going on by letting him talk to his mom/sister? He doesn't look very happy when he's talking about whether he's in love with Des and we know he was emotional at one point because we have a SC.

I don't think he went so far as to say he didn't want to continue after the RC because of how he was on his HTD and how positive everything was with his family.  I can believe that after seeing how shocked Zak was that it shook him up a bit, and he began to question himself.  I think his questioning himself, his seemingly needing to soul search for the true depth of his feelings for Des have as much to do with Des as with himself.  I can imagine he might get nervous about feeling confident about her feelings for him after seeing how confident Zak must have felt to be that shocked at not getting the rose.  I think he looks concerned, not unhappy when he's talking about whether or not he's deeply in love with Des.  

What I see from Brooks' body language and facial expressions in this PI is pure defense mechanisms in play! He knows that he's falling in love and doesn't want to get hurt so he's almost trying to talk himself out of it in case he is rejected by Des. We have to remember that he has no idea the extent of Des' feelings for him. He seems quite shocked at how she took things during the talk near the pier. This will be his first indication of how strong her feelings are. Once he knows that, he will do something about it, I'm sure! :Nod: 

Totally agree.  There are several instances in prior episodes to me where he looks almost pleasantly surprised at what Des says to/about him.  I really don't think he trusts that he knows where he stands with her even though she thinks she is being reassuring.  He has never had a PI saying something confident about ending up with her, or how strong their connection it etc.  I think his over-analysing is going both ways.

Brooks' doubts, coupled with Chris' and even Drew's overconfidence in their relationships with Des that makes me believe Brooks is F1 all the more.

It is "amazing" how confident Chris seems to be. He is hardly doubting his and Des connection. I wonder why?