Re: The Bachelor 18 Spoilers/Speculation - Media - Discussion

by **Sprite** Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:18 pm

Longhornfan wrote:
julychild wrote:
Bet2Win wrote:I say kudos to JP for not being the machine's patsy. He wouldn't drink, he asked the girls not to drink (see latest CH interview), he wouldn't use the "L" word that the others have been pressured to use. He didn't allow the bubble to influence his feelings .. CH at the last sit down with him was clearly frustrated that JP wasn't further along than liking the girls.

Kudos to JP, he didn't succumb to their pressure ... we don't have the normal "I'm falling for two women" or "I love two women" bs.

The machine is pissed they couldn't break him during filming, so they are doing everything the can to break him now.

It's ridiculous to dislike him because he isn't feeling it for any of the women. Brad went through hell for the same thing during his first season; and yet, look how well it worked out for him when he did fall for Emily. JP doesn't want himself or anyone else to force their feelings under these circumstances. Good on him.

All that you have written is why this conversation is on going at this time. Jason Mesnick said it in his last podcast that the producers used to threaten to give him a bad edit whenever he refused to do what they wanted. Of course JP is not perfect, but I strongly believe that the JP we are seeing on our TV's, the one most people have come to dislike, is a "character," a victim of clever and manipulative editing.

I have never listened to any of Jason's and Molly's podcasts, but I have seen some posts that describe it as them "peeling back the curtain" on the underbelly of what really goes on behind the scenes - while producing the Bach/Bachelorette show. But how can Jason say that he was threatened with a bad edit if he refused to go along with what they wanted him to do? Wouldn't that be breaking his contract, which would then leave him vunerable to a law suit? Or has enough time passed since his and Molly's televised wedding? It does sound like they are now able to say whatever they want to?

I think they are no longer under contract and I also think the producers are getting more lenient about letting stuff like this out. They have seen that this doesn't necessarily decrease viewership...if anything, it may actually increase interest in the show. Of course, it also depends whether they "like" you or not...

by Longhornfan Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:27 pm

Okay, thanks. And it might also have something to do with the fact that until recently they did not have to contend with all the stuff that gets written on social media, like Twitter. So, perhaps you are right. They have found that it does not impact the ratings, and they are therefore embracing social media themselves, along with the viewers. That would also explain why some contestants, like Drew from Des' season, was often the target on Twitter, with ugly things being said about him by some of TB's producers and/or some of their other flunkies.

by MMA50 Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:44 pm

Longhornfan wrote:
julychild wrote:
Bet2Win wrote:I say kudos to JP for not being the machine's patsy. He wouldn't drink, he asked the girls not to drink (see latest CH interview), he wouldn't use the "L" word that the others have been pressured to use. He didn't allow the bubble to influence his feelings .. CH at the last sit down with him was clearly frustrated that JP wasn't further along than liking the girls.

Kudos to JP, he didn't succumb to their pressure ... we don't have the normal "I'm falling for two women" or "I love two women" bs.

The machine is pissed they couldn't break him during filming, so they are doing everything the can to break him now.

It's ridiculous to dislike him because he isn't feeling it for any of the women. Brad went through hell for the same thing during his first season; and yet, look how well it worked out for him when he did fall for Emily. JP doesn't want himself or anyone else to force their feelings under these circumstances. Good on him.

All that you have written is why this conversation is on going at this time. Jason Mesnick said it in his last podcast that the producers used to threaten to give him a bad edit whenever he refused to do what they wanted. Of course JP is not perfect, but I strongly believe that the JP we are seeing on our TV's, the one most people have come to dislike, is a "character," a victim of clever and manipulative editing.

I have never listened to any of Jason's and Molly's podcasts, but I have seen some posts that describe it as them "peeling back the curtain" on the underbelly of what really goes on behind the scenes - while producing the Bach/Bachelorette show. But how can Jason say that he was threatened with a bad edit if he refused to go along with what they wanted him to do? Wouldn't that be breaking his contract, which would then leave him vunerable to a law suit? Or has enough time passed since his and Molly's televised wedding? It does sound like they are now able to say whatever they want to?

The contract only last two years! After that, it is free reign. I am glad they are "peeling back the curtain!" Let's get the truth once and for all!

by Mirzam Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:46 pm

Has there been any word on the People mag photo shoot? When does it usually happen, this coming weekend? Will it happen at all? When do the other shows, ie Kimmel, GMA etc put out their line-up for next week?

by jlccaz Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:56 pm

MMA50 wrote:
Longhornfan wrote:
julychild wrote:
Bet2Win wrote:I say kudos to JP for not being the machine's patsy. He wouldn't drink, he asked the girls not to drink (see latest CH interview), he wouldn't use the "L" word that the others have been pressured to use. He didn't allow the bubble to influence his feelings .. CH at the last sit down with him was clearly frustrated that JP wasn't further along than liking the girls.

Kudos to JP, he didn't succumb to their pressure ... we don't have the normal "I'm falling for two women" or "I love two women" bs.

The machine is pissed they couldn't break him during filming, so they are doing everything the can to break him now.

It's ridiculous to dislike him because he isn't feeling it for any of the women. Brad went through hell for the same thing during his first season; and yet, look how well it worked out for him when he did fall for Emily. JP doesn't want himself or anyone else to force their feelings under these circumstances. Good on him.

All that you have written is why this conversation is on going at this time. Jason Mesnick said it in his last podcast that the producers used to threaten to give him a bad edit whenever he refused to do what they wanted. Of course JP is not perfect, but I strongly believe that the JP we are seeing on our TV's, the one most people have come to dislike, is a "character," a victim of clever and manipulative editing.

I have never listened to any of Jason's and Molly's podcasts, but I have seen some posts that describe it as them "peeling back the curtain" on the underbelly of what really goes on behind the scenes - while producing the Bach/Bachelorette show. But how can Jason say that he was threatened with a bad edit if he refused to go along with what they wanted him to do? Wouldn't that be breaking his contract, which would then leave him vunerable to a law suit? Or has enough time passed since his and Molly's televised wedding? It does sound like they are now able to say whatever they want to?

The contract only last two years! After that, it is free reign. I am glad they are "peeling back the curtain!" Let's get the truth once and for all!

Technically the confidentiality provisions never sunset. But Jason/Molly are "family" and have good sense of where the lines of sensitivity to saying too much fall. I'm sure no one inside production or network cares at all about his season at this point. Plus, they owe him a huge debt of gratitude for saving the season. Because, along with Brad who picked no one, Jason put the "real" back in "reality TV" which saved the franchise.

by **Linds911** Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:36 pm

Mirzam wrote:Has there been any word on the People mag photo shoot? When does it usually happen, this coming weekend? Will it happen at all? When do the other shows, ie Kimmel, GMA etc put out their line-up for next week?

Sean&Catherine and Des&Chris' photo shoots came out the week of the finale, and had interviews the following morning. So probably the same thing with JPab and his F1.

by Aunties_Love Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:37 pm

see2love wrote:
sopearl wrote:
I think if Juan Pablo was filming this for a Spanish-speaking country, the audience might have a different opinion. His English is very good, but it's not good enough for free-flowing, in-depth conversations. I think that's one reason why his dialogue doesn't play well. Whether or not he is self-centered and arrogant, or just a victim of ABC's edit, is up to the viewer. I think most will decide, like RS, that JP was not in this to find love.

I thought the shaming of Clare was strange and probably a Fleiss manipulation more than a reality. He lost fans with that one. He should have said "no" and refused to humiliate her. I believe a lot of past bachelors wouldn't have played along. Not a gentleman when you do what he did on that one.

And...... Pervert is a very strong word. Not defending Bristol's remarks, just saying they were more of an opinion that an outright slur. I really don't think DWTS would have cut him had he just expressed an opinion. All would have died down by now with many choosing to disagree.

Overall, this show has been dull for me. With Jeff or Arie they would have had a show worth watching, no matter what the bachelor's real intentions. This time out, I have half-watched some shows; and missed a couple that I had no interest in going back to watch after the fact. Crazy for me since I have always (starting with B2) watched this series.

I would totally give up my tv than watch Jef on it!

You aren't alone in that thought.

by jlccaz Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:43 pm

How do I start writing this after watching the Women Tell All episode, and seeing them complain about things that happened so long ago? Do I like talking badly about people? No, especially not about women. So let's see how I can write this without hurting anyone's feelings.

I think to understand the women I have to take a step back and remember that it's not easy facing rejection. Since I was on the other side, I perfectly understand their frustration, and after watching the show back, they probably feel like they wasted their time because it didn't work out with me.

Before I talk about specifics, I want to write about how it can be difficult when you're the Bachelor. Have any of the women thought about how hard it is to speak to so many people in such a short amount of time? It's very easy to speak when you only have to focus on one guy, but it's much harder when the guy has to get to know 27 women. It isn't easy to remember all of the conversations or the questions that I ask, but I always tried my best and I wish the women recognized that.

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I wish I could ask them if they could see how nervous they were every time they tried to talk to me. I let the majority of the women go because I knew that the process was too hard for them and that they weren't able to open up to me. I understand it's a very hard situation, but I always tried to find ways to make the women feel as comfortable as possible. The women I had a better connection and attraction with are the ones that I felt fit more into what I was looking for.
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I knew what to expect from Cassandra and Renee because we are all parents. I knew that their biggest concern was also my biggest concern. We all had to figure out how to handle this situation away from our children. However, Renee and Cassandra's situations were totally different. Cassandra's son is only 2 years old, and he didn't understand what his mom was doing. Renee's son is older, and I learned how much Ben suffered when Renee broke up with her last boyfriend.

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I understood why Kelly wanted an explanation about my gay comments because during my adventure we had talked openly about her father. I told Kelly that I would love to have an hourlong chat with her so that she can better understand what was misinterpreted and what my views are. I also want to understand her views and her experiences, just like when I listened to her tell me about her father. More than anything, I want to make sure Kelly knows how sorry I am that her feelings were hurt. I hate hurting people.

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During my talk with Kelly, Victoria really surprised me. Why did Victoria jump in the conversation? I believe she should have worried more about being sober on the show so she could get to know me rather than say something negative about me when she was there for only four days. Does she know me? Does she know when and where I learned English? Does she know about all of the times my producer and I would change words because what I was saying wasn't what I was trying to express? I let her be herself and talk. I respect her opinion, but everyone is not the same.

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Of all the women at WTA, Sharleen and Renee are by far the women who got to know me the most, and I spent the most time learning about their lives. Did you get to see that with Sharleen? Clearly you didn't, and that's a shame because she is a spectacular woman. She was not feeling it and was always honest. I wanted to thank her for always being who she is. Renee is clase aparte (in another category). She's a sweet, loving, caring, smart and affectionate person, but unfortunately my feelings were not there for her, and that's something I cannot force. At the end of it all, I'm very happy that Renee found someone, and I want to send her my congratulations. I hope to be invited to the wedding someday.

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Andi's situation – it's okay and will always be okay. Like I said, she was at the top of my list since week 2, but at that point in St. Lucia, her leaving did me a favor. I wasn't sure if she was going to make it through that rose ceremony, and she made my decision so much easier. I signed up to meet 25 women, not to marry, kiss and play with 25 women. So I was straightforward and honest, and like she said, I don't have a filter. When you are trying to figure out what you want in a short amount of time, you have to be straightforward. To me, that's definitely the best way to handle it.

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I have a completely different opinion about what happened on our overnight date. I respect her decision, but in my opinion she should have told me in private, when we had no cameras, but I guess some people would rather do things in public.

I also wanted to say congratulations to Sean and Catherine and that they have my best wishes for their new life together as husband and wife.

Next week, my adventure comes to an end. I can't wait for you to see how it all turns out.

Remember to Tweet me any questions and I will try to answer them.

Thanks for reading,
Juan Pablo

by glazedover Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:16 pm

Thanks, JLCCAZ, that was very satisfying.

by Longhornfan Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:38 pm

It does seem that JuanP has used his blogs in People magazine as his only avenue to try and express his feelings of frustration with how he has been and continues to be edited this season.

I get the idea (by him writing that he has a very "different opinion" about what happened in the FS with Andi) that he is still stinging from how that all went down. He would have chosen to have had a private conversation with no cameras present, if the roles had been reversed. But, he got blindsided instead.

by realitynut Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:29 pm

i'm confused!!! i didn't sees anything different in new blog

by notarose Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:31 pm

realitynut wrote:i'm confused!!! i didn't sees anything different in new blog

The picture of JP & Renee in the bleachers is new (I think).

The whole Andi scenerio really took attention away from the usual speculation about what happened in the FS. Whose talking about Clare or Nikki in the FS? Almost no one in media. Wonderful deflection!

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