Re: Brooks Forester - Bachelorette 9 Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #5

by MonicaJM2001 Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:55 pm

canyonvue wrote:I'm with Judiful. My thoughts have been running in other circles today because some things just didn't add up or make sense. I don't think Brooks leaves. And this is why. If the first part of that preview, those VOs of Des are from the end of the show, which they usually are when they're talking about one particular guy and how much they love them, I just can't see her sounding that way after the Brooks drama.

If Brooks left she would have her doubts when he came back. She wouldn't sound so happy, confident, like she didn't have a care in the world, like the drama never happened. They would have to do a lot of talking first. She'd wonder if he would just do it again some time.

The other thing that has cued me off that people may be totally wrong is the way Brooks is acting, walking around in those trees and what he's saying. He's sounding like someone who is desperate, who wants to fix something, who doesn't want to leave. "There's nothing (he) can say." Either he's so distraught that he hurt her and he doesn't know what to say to make it better, or he feels like he's messed something up, he's afraid he's screwed up his chances and he's beside himself. Maybe she's mad at him. She says she's heartbroken. She just wants to go home. But did he really leave?

Another thing was the limo ride. You'd think if he was leaving he'd look more distraught than he did. He looked worn out and sad, but not distraught.

I like what Judiful said. Maybe the person coming to his door is CH telling him that Des wants to talk to him. He is taken to where she is in the limo. He's red-eyed because he has just cried his eyes out, worried, not sure what he can say, worried that she's going to send him home and that's just him going to her place.

All these things have made me doubt that he actually leaves. I think it's more likely just a fight, or something he says and she's upset. Where does she say she doesn't want to love someone if he doesn't love her the same.

I just think they quarrel. It's as simple as that.

I have had the suspicion for a long time that maybe the thing that is different about this season over others is that the F1 and the lead actually fight at the end. That has never happened. It may be shocking to them.

You and Judiful def could be on to something. For me logistically speaking, the Brooks leaving and then coming back doesn't seem to fit as far as time left goes. Brooks HTD was spoiled to be 4/22. After F4 RC and traveling to Antigua, I'd estimate that stuff began 4/27 and the FRC was spoiled to be 5/8. 11 days to get in 3 (to 4?) FDs, MTP, LCDs and then pick out the rings doesn't seem to allow for the magnitude of drama/leaving/coming back the preview is trying to sell us. And like you said, if he left and then came back later then Des I think would be pretty weary about letting him back in to where they'd be ready to get engaged like a week later....

by BarbB222 Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:57 pm

atem wrote:I'm going to go ahead and guess the VO of 'not on the same page' is part of the word game and gives a clue to the trouble ahead. What say you guys?

It could also be as simple as saying the name James. Metaphor? Not on the same page. Nothing at dinner could have caused uneasiness because watching the fireworks , they were so at ease.

by atem Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:00 am

If Desiree says 'butterflies in stomach', that's another indicator he's Final 1. This show loves using it.

BarbB222 wrote:
atem wrote:I'm going to go ahead and guess the VO of 'not on the same page' is part of the word game and gives a clue to the trouble ahead. What say you guys?

It could also be as simple as saying the name James. Metaphor? Not on the same page. Nothing at dinner could have caused uneasiness because watching the fireworks , they were so at ease.

Yeah, but we are only seeing one part. Desiree understands, because she knows they haven't had a 1 on 1 for 6 weeks.

by Guest Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:02 am

BarbB222 wrote:By their body language, I agree with those who says Des is letting Drew go. He looks shell shocked. Now, back to Brooks. ;)

He does look like he's being stoic and looks confused. But then what he says sounds more like he is the one breaking up with her.

by atem Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:04 am

canyonvue wrote:
BarbB222 wrote:By their body language, I agree with those who says Des is letting Drew go. He looks shell shocked. Now, back to Brooks. ;)

He does look like he's being stoic and looks confused. But then what he says sounds more like he is the one breaking up with her.

More like explaining to himself why when Desiree can't. The way he said it was so monotone.

by Guest Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:05 am

2observe wrote:
BarbB222 wrote:By their body language, I grew with those who says Des is letting Drew go. He looks shell shocked. Now, back to Brooks. ;)
I think that he's trying to figure what she's trying to tell him. Whatever it was would not work for him, so I really do think that Drew takes himself out of the game. We have not seen any SCs of Drew leaving and as I has posted before, if Des had eliminated him there would be SCs of his exit limo ride.

Maybe she just tells him what happened with Brooks and maybe he can tell that she feels a lot for him and that doesn't sit well with him. "It just won't work." Even though she tells him she's given him "100%".

To me this is the confusing part. If she loves Brooks so much why would she be trying to convince Drew to stay? Does Drew leave before her problems with Brooks, or after?

by atem Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:08 am

canyonvue wrote:
2observe wrote:
BarbB222 wrote:By their body language, I grew with those who says Des is letting Drew go. He looks shell shocked. Now, back to Brooks. ;)
I think that he's trying to figure what she's trying to tell him. Whatever it was would not work for him, so I really do think that Drew takes himself out of the game. We have not seen any SCs of Drew leaving and as I has posted before, if Des had eliminated him there would be SCs of his exit limo ride.

Maybe she just tells him what happened with Brooks and maybe he can tell that she feels a lot for him and that doesn't sit well with him. "It just won't work." Even though she tells him she's given him "100%".

To me this is the confusing part. If she loves Brooks so much why would she be trying to convince Drew to stay? Does Drew leave before her problems with Brooks, or after?

I don't think Brooks has a FD. That's why the show had to make it look like Drew leaves. Otherwise, all they have is MTP or FRC stuff to show for Brooks.

I'm sort of wording it wrong. Yes, Drew is basically saying, I'm not going to continue. Which is basically leaving.

Do you guys think Desiree will use the butterfly metaphor? Total indication of final 1 to me.

by Rolly Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:09 am

Maybe the "given 100%" is only part of the quote....maybe she's saying she can't give him 100%.... I think she's saying good bye.

by BarbB222 Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:10 am

Atem, the SC with BSG is in Portugal? If not as far as their one on one, I say all went ok. The dinner is spliced IMO

by MonicaJM2001 Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:11 am

clueless wrote:So when is it that the majority think this hurtful conversation between Des and Brooks takes place? Prior to Fantasy Suite date since there are no screencaps?

Heck if I know lol. Maybe it is at F2 Chris/Brooks and maybe something happens btw Nate/Brooks or someone in HER family and Brooks feels like he screwed up and doesn't know how to fix it and afraid it will cost him Des. I am not convinced he doesn't have FD and LCD with Des they just don't want to show anything towards it because they want to promote the "uh oh Bres is in trouble" angle instead which FD/LCD would basically give away that all is well. When the Brooks thing happens, maybe Des knows her final decision and since it is not going great at THAT moment with her decided F1 she breaks down and says screw it all.

by Guest Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:11 am

MonicaJM2001 wrote:
canyonvue wrote:I'm with Judiful. My thoughts have been running in other circles today because some things just didn't add up or make sense. I don't think Brooks leaves. And this is why. If the first part of that preview, those VOs of Des are from the end of the show, which they usually are when they're talking about one particular guy and how much they love them, I just can't see her sounding that way after the Brooks drama.

If Brooks left she would have her doubts when he came back. She wouldn't sound so happy, confident, like she didn't have a care in the world, like the drama never happened. They would have to do a lot of talking first. She'd wonder if he would just do it again some time.

The other thing that has cued me off that people may be totally wrong is the way Brooks is acting, walking around in those trees and what he's saying. He's sounding like someone who is desperate, who wants to fix something, who doesn't want to leave. "There's nothing (he) can say." Either he's so distraught that he hurt her and he doesn't know what to say to make it better, or he feels like he's messed something up, he's afraid he's screwed up his chances and he's beside himself. Maybe she's mad at him. She says she's heartbroken. She just wants to go home. But did he really leave?

Another thing was the limo ride. You'd think if he was leaving he'd look more distraught than he did. He looked worn out and sad, but not distraught.

I like what Judiful said. Maybe the person coming to his door is CH telling him that Des wants to talk to him. He is taken to where she is in the limo. He's red-eyed because he has just cried his eyes out, worried, not sure what he can say, worried that she's going to send him home and that's just him going to her place.

All these things have made me doubt that he actually leaves. I think it's more likely just a fight, or something he says and she's upset. Where does she say she doesn't want to love someone if he doesn't love her the same.

I just think they quarrel. It's as simple as that.

I have had the suspicion for a long time that maybe the thing that is different about this season over others is that the F1 and the lead actually fight at the end. That has never happened. It may be shocking to them.

You and Judiful def could be on to something. For me logistically speaking, the Brooks leaving and then coming back doesn't seem to fit as far as time left goes. Brooks HTD was spoiled to be 4/22. After F4 RC and traveling to Antigua, I'd estimate that stuff began 4/27 and the FRC was spoiled to be 5/8. 11 days to get in 3 (to 4?) FDs, MTP, LCDs and then pick out the rings doesn't seem to allow for the magnitude of drama/leaving/coming back the preview is trying to sell us. And like you said, if he left and then came back later then Des I think would be pretty weary about letting him back in to where they'd be ready to get engaged like a week later....

Exactly. No time for the flights and for him to ponder and change his mind. How he's acting in the trees does not jive with someone who is going to leave. It looks like someone who doesn't want to leave or be sent home. And if he did leave and come back he'd have a lot of explaining to do.

by Guest Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:12 am

2observe wrote:
BarbB222 wrote:By their body language, I grew with those who says Des is letting Drew go. He looks shell shocked. Now, back to Brooks. ;)
I think that he's trying to figure what she's trying to tell him. Whatever it was would not work for him, so I really do think that Drew takes himself out of the game. We have not seen any SCs of Drew leaving and as I has posted before, if Des had eliminated him there would be SCs of his exit limo ride.

i don't get the sense des is letting drew go, but more it's something they discussed previously and are now reconvening to decide on. sort of a where do we go from here talk. des is the one majorly crying and drew just looks serious. i think he is telling her whatever the current situation is it is never going to work and so it is sort of an understanding they come to and he will leave. if i had to choose between des letting him go or him leaving on his own i'd say he is choosing to leave. des is probably rubbing his back because she feels bad for how things have turned out--whatever the fallout is that caused this unfortunate scenario because drew obviously had really fallen for her. i think this is part of MF's comment that he didn't know if the guys were happy about what went down at the end. drew is not happy but he can see it won't work to try to force it. des sounds like she was hoping to salvage things at this point with drew despite brooks leaving. makes me think she would have chosen him as F2 if it brooks were still the intended F1 at this point. jmo.

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