Re: Brooks Forester - Bachelorette 9 Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #5

[Guest]

I thought I had a solid theory but seeing that Drew and Chris get FD  & LCD has me truly stumped!  I just hope Brooks leaving isn't because he is questioning his feeling for her (or hers for him) because that would be really disappointing, IMO.

The one thing giving me hope is that I think Brooks is a sensitive guy and knowing what she has already been through (Ben, Bryden, James) he would not purposely try to hurt her by up and pulling a Bryden. There has to be something more!

I don't think it would be about his feelings. I think it would be about something his mom said that makes him doubt, second guess, choose to go the other way.

Could be, but then his love for Des brings him right back to her.

I hope so. I hope he comes back. That could end up being pretty romantic. I would understand him having a hard time if his mom or family didn't approve or have reservations. It'd be hard. He's close to his mom and I'm sure he doesn't want to disappoint her. I really don't think it's because of any emergency at home. If it was some emergency, I would think Des would be a little more understanding. It doesn't sound like she understands and agrees at all. So, I think he feels like he can't continue for some reason.

When he leaves would he actually go home?

IF he leaves, and yes I am still on the other side of IF he leaves, I would guess it isn't for too long and i doubt he flies all the way back and forth. I don't think there is enough time for that. This whole fiasco that goes down may be a matter of a couple hours for all we know.

Totally. Makes sense to me. It's just a little more dramatic between the F1 and the lead than we've ever seen. I know I've never seen such drama.

So why no SCs for certain dates for Brooks?  

[clueless]

I have a question....did Brooks have a long term relationship and/or serious relationship that ended with him being hurt some time prior to him coming on the show. I thought I heard him say something about being hurt.

[nannymargie]

The f1 and the lead have fought before. Remember Brad 2.0. He and Emily had some strong opinions on the LCD.

That was the wrong choice of words. I just think Brooks said something to Des that breaks her heart, makes her want to go home, makes her feel like he might love her the same, and he doesn't know what to say to fix it. He is distraught and he doesn't know what to say. I don't know that they necessarily fight. He may just cast a lot of doubt into her heart and then she has the melt-down and makes it very obvious who she likes long before the show is over. And maybe, yeah, she decides she wants to talk to him when CH asks her what she wants to do.

Well then.  What a prince!  

She does say that no one has ever loved her as much as she loved them. So that can also be a piece of the puzzle. I think she may say that when she is crying on the dock. Does anyone remember.

[nannymargie]

I have a question....did Brooks have a long term relationship and/or serious relationship that ended with him being hurt some time prior to him coming on the show.  I thought I heard him say something about being hurt.  

Yes, he was in a 31/2 year relationship that he broke off about a year and a half ago. Do not know the reason for the break up though.

[2observe]

I'm with Judiful. My thoughts have been running in other circles today because some things just didn't add up or make sense. I don't think Brooks leaves. And this is why. If the first part of that preview, those VOs of Des are from the end of the show, which they usually are when they're talking about one particular guy and how much they love them, I just can't see her sounding that way after the Brooks drama.If Brooks left she would have her doubts when he came back. She wouldn't sound so happy, confident, like she didn't have a care in the world, like the drama never happened. They would have to do a lot of talking first. She'd wonder if he would just do it again some time.

The other thing that has cued me off that people may be totally wrong is the way Brooks is acting, walking around in those trees and what he's saying. He's sounding like someone who is desperate, who wants to fix something, who doesn't want to leave. "There's nothing (he) can say." Either he's so distraught that he hurt her and he doesn't know what to say to make it better, or he feels like he's messed something up, he's afraid he's screwed up his chances and he's beside himself. Maybe she's mad at him. She says she's heartbroken. She just wants to go home. But did he really leave?

Another thing was the limo ride. You'd think if he was leaving he'd look more distraught than he did. He looked worn out and sad, but not distraught.

I like what Judiful said. Maybe the person coming to his door is CH telling him that Des wants to talk to him. He is taken to where she is in the limo. He's red-eyed because he has just cried his eyes out, worried, not sure what he can say, worried that she's going to send him home and that's just him going to her place.

All these things have made me doubt that he actually leaves. I think it's more likely just a fight, or something he says and she's upset. Where does she say she doesn't want to love someone if he doesn't love her the same.

I just think they quarrel. It's as simple as that.

I have had the suspicion for a long time that maybe the thing that is different about this season over others is that the F1 and the lead actually fight at the end. That has never happened. It may be shocking to them.

Regarding the bolded, do you remember Deanna and Graham??? When Graham left Deanna was extreme hurt and angry at the time; yet, she was extremely happy at the FRC, and her voice bits in voice overs sounding happy. Just saying.....

[Guest]

I have a question....did Brooks have a long term relationship and/or serious relationship that ended with him being hurt some time prior to him coming on the show.  I thought I heard him say something about being hurt.  

He said he did and that he finally knew what it felt like to be miserable when it didn't work out. He told Desiree that on his first date. That's one way they connected because they've both been through those relationships and she saw that when he loves he's all in.

[clueless]

What if this season is shades of Ali and Frank? What if Brooks past long term or serious relationship ended without closure and at some point during hometown he made contact with his past (or she made contact) to find closure (or whatever); and what if this is told to Des prior to their fantasy date (by him or someone else); that would explain his panic (especially if did get his closure and is in love with Des) and the devastion Des seems to feel....

To me, and this is certainly just my opinion, Brooks appears devasted and sorry (like he messed up) and seems in a panic; kinda like omg what have I done and how can I fix this; he does not appear conflicted to me or as if he wants to leave....

[Guest]

The f1 and the lead have fought before. Remember Brad 2.0. He and Emily had some strong opinions on the LCD.

That was the wrong choice of words. I just think Brooks said something to Des that breaks her heart, makes her want to go home, makes her feel like he might love her the same, and he doesn't know what to say to fix it. He is distraught and he doesn't know what to say. I don't know that they necessarily fight. He may just cast a lot of doubt into her heart and then she has the melt-down and makes it very obvious who she likes long before the show is over. And maybe, yeah, she decides she wants to talk to him when CH asks her what she wants to do.

Well then.  What a prince!  

She does say that no one has ever loved her as much as she loved them.  So that can also be a piece of the puzzle.  I think she may say that when she is crying on the dock. Does anyone remember.

That is exactly the phrase I asked about earlier, wondering when she said this. That, to me, may be the key to their rift. He may make her doubt or have concern that he doesn't love her the same as she loves him.

And then he feels bad and remorseful and doesn't know what he can say to make it better (wandering around in the trees). Maybe the limo ride is to her. He seems sort of at peace there. I don't know.

So did Drew really make it to F2? How is that possible if Brooks is still around?

[MonicaJM2001]

Here is one I found (from Wet Paint).  Just this one though:

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I wonder how the heck they are going to do the metaphor thing!

LOL I love how Des wine glass is empty while Brooks still has some to go, she sure likes her wine which I can def appreciate. I see these pics though and think, I really hope the food/wine doesn't go over the edge!

[Guest]

I'm with Judiful. My thoughts have been running in other circles today because some things just didn't add up or make sense. I don't think Brooks leaves. And this is why. If the first part of that preview, those VOs of Des are from the end of the show, which they usually are when they're talking about one particular guy and how much they love them, I just can't see her sounding that way after the Brooks drama.If Brooks left she would have her doubts when he came back. She wouldn't sound so happy, confident, like she didn't have a care in the world, like the drama never happened. They would have to do a lot of talking first. She'd wonder if he would just do it again some time.

The other thing that has cued me off that people may be totally wrong is the way Brooks is acting, walking around in those trees and what he's saying. He's sounding like someone who is desperate, who wants to fix something, who doesn't want to leave. "There's nothing (he) can say." Either he's so distraught that he hurt her and he doesn't know what to say to make it better, or he feels like he's messed something up, he's afraid he's screwed up his chances and he's beside himself. Maybe she's mad at him. She says she's heartbroken. She just wants to go home. But did he really leave?

Another thing was the limo ride. You'd think if he was leaving he'd look more distraught than he did. He looked worn out and sad, but not distraught.

I like what Judiful said. Maybe the person coming to his door is CH telling him that Des wants to talk to him. He is taken to where she is in the limo. He's red-eyed because he has just cried his eyes out, worried, not sure what he can say, worried that she's going to send him home and that's just him going to her place.

All these things have made me doubt that he actually leaves. I think it's more likely just a fight, or something he says and she's upset. Where does she say she doesn't want to love someone if he doesn't love her the same.

I just think they quarrel. It's as simple as that.

I have had the suspicion for a long time that maybe the thing that is different about this season over others is that the F1 and the lead actually fight at the end. That has never happened. It may be shocking to them.

Regarding the bolded, do you remember Deanna and Graham???  When Graham left Deanna was extreme hurt and angry at the time; yet, she was extremely happy at the FRC, and her voice bits in voice overs sounding happy.  Just saying.....  

I watched that season but I don't really remember that. All the seasons turn into a blur to me because most of the time I don't really care about the lead or the contestants. I just watch for the drama. Only a couple times have I really cared. Emily's and Desiree's seasons.

[atem]

Isn't 'we aren't on the same page' a metaphor?

[MonicaJM2001]

I'm not convinced Brooks ever left that island.  I keep thinking Fleissmiester is keeping all those loving  Brooks encounters with Des under very strict lock and key ! I think that VO .."we're not on the same page " was actually said in a context with his mom but they conveniently borrowed it to use in that scene with Des. When Chris Harrison was sitting with her on the Veranda asking what she wanted to do, she may have tearfully said she wanted to see Brooks..So I'm wondering if the knock on Brooks door wasn't  Chris Harrison  or somebody putting on the dismal act saying Des wanted to see him . With that, he probably freaked out thinking she was about to dump him.. No wonder he was crying in the back seat of that car saying it was the worse day of his life... Lets see how off kilter I am with this one... 

Yeah it was like someone came to get him, not him actively intending to go anywhere.......I rather like your version/interpretation.

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