Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #5

[reb]

I have finally finished watching the episode... Like I predicted, I was unable to stay awake last night!

This was def my favourite episode of the season so far. I found myself smirking at Ziggy's cute little faces and things he said. 

Must agree that it will be great to see Ziggy 'snap' next week:angryemotion:!!! Ohhh dear.... Haaawt!!!

hey sweetie..! to the bolded, guess it shows in your avi, huh? . I am surprise that this is your fav ep, despite the Bryden drama..?..

just curio, what do you think about DesGy connection/chemistry?...i know you dont really care...., but in case need to share, i am all ears...

Hi there! I know right, I stayed up until about 1.30am and normally I fall asleep at  11pm - damn you Chris!

The reason this is my fav episode is purley Chris. I love the way he present himself throughout the whole episode.  I must admit, I do not really care for any of the other guys or Des so the Bryden drama was no big deal for me... (I think he had a girlfriend back home who knew he was going on the show?)

To be brutally honest, I do not think that Des has a true(?) connection with anyone but Brooks, and even that connection can be questioned. Des said that Chis and she are natural together, however, this was not reflected during their 1-1 date. I think both Chris and Des are trying too hard to fall in love with each other and I am guessing that is the reason why she does not chose him in the end. I saw someone in the forum (cannot remember who) saying that they are not right for each other - so true!

There is no point mentioning any of the other guys as it is obvious Des fav from the start was Brooks!

Des and Chris are in a long-term soul-mate kind of a relationship.  A characteristic of this kind of relationship is that it takes time to develop.  It is a very deep and long lasting type of chemistry.  This show pushes people into accelerating their relationships, for fear of losing out.  Works totally against the natural process of a long-term soul-mate kind of relationship.

There are several other kinds of relationships that take off a lot faster, and I can see how folks would say that is chemistry.  But it is not a lasting kind of chemistry.  Maybe good for a fling, but not for starting a family, like the one Des and Chris are in.

In effect, what these reality dating shows do is deter the best kind of relationship, by forcing it to go faster than it naturally can.  While at the same foster short-term accelerating relationships, which better fit the time frame and competitive nature of the show.  Pretty indicative of the show's poor long term track record.

I think is this correct on paper but in actuality all the "successful" couples coming out of THIS show have had the instant spark and chemistry from the start. Trista/Ryan, Ashley/JP, Jason/Molly and even to some extent Ali/Roberto (who lasted longer than most). Because when you know, you know.  I could point to several couples that progressed "naturally" and still failed..Andy/Tessa, Andrew/Jen, Brad/Em, DeAnna/Jessie, Travis/Sarah, Charlie/Sara.

I think it has more to do with how you transition out of the show into real life and dealing with the spotlight and scrutiny that really determines a couple's longevity. I think it important to stay grounded and get back to normalcy as quickly as possible. That aside, I think the couples running around Hollywood and plastered everywhere are the ones most likely that burn out the fastest once the spotlight dims.

Sfrank, could not have said it better myself...

Matchmaker, I personally do not believe in soulmates (how unromatic am I!?), but yes I agree that it can take time for relationships to develop. I absolutley agree that the show ruins relationships by forcing them to go faster. This is most likley the reason why only a few relationships have lasted, together with the undeniable fact that many men and women are in it for the fame. And lets not forget, it ended up being 'just a fling' for Des and Chris since she chose Brooks...


Is it just me or do you get the feeling that Des is not looking to start a family just yet?

[sfrank]

I strongly believe Chris will one of the favorites who go out to meet the one for them immediately after the show is over (or maybe already dating someone).
Don't be surprised if he is married or engagement a year from now.  I really that he stays away from TB and Bachelor Pad, if that returns.  I will NEVER understand why Reid lowered himself by going on BP!

[MatchMaker]

I think is this correct on paper but in actuality all the "successful" couples coming out of THIS show have had the instant spark and chemistry from the start. Trista/Ryan, Ashley/JP, Jason/Molly and even to some extent Ali/Roberto (who lasted longer than most). Because when you know, you know.  I could point to several couples that progressed "naturally" and still failed..Andy/Tessa, Andrew/Jen, Brad/Em, DeAnna/Jessie, Travis/Sarah, Charlie/Sara.

I think it has more to do with how you transition out of the show into real life and dealing with the spotlight and scrutiny that really determines a couple's longevity. I think it important to stay grounded and get back to normalcy as quickly as possible. That aside, I think the couples running around Hollywood and plastered everywhere are the ones most likely that burn out the fastest once the spotlight dims.

Jason did not choose Molly.  It was later on ATFR, that he realized his mistake.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EfhEvLf9GM

Jason and Molly are in a long-term soul-mate relationship that takes time to naturally develop.  In fact, it is the exact same type of relationship that Des and Chris have (but with male and female roles reversed).  Wouldn't it be so funny if Des does choose Brooks.  And then later on backtracks like Jason did!  

One interesting characteristic of a long-term soul-mate kind of relationship, is that it is not as obvious when you are in one, as when you separate from your mate for some time.  Then it becomes pretty obvious how much you need/depend on the other person.  It is a very complimentary relationship.  Loosing one's other half can be very disrupting to one's life.  [Maybe Jason got a little taste of that for himself.]

[brittany4400]

I agree that des and chris could have potentially made the long haul. They are friends and they do have chemistry. Sorry but I dot see des and brooks ever getting married. To me des really doesn't seem all that into any of these guys. It appears she is just going through the motions.

[MatchMaker]

Matchmaker, I personally do not believe in soulmates (how unromatic am I!?), but yes I agree that it can take time for relationships to develop. I absolutley agree that the show ruins relationships by forcing them to go faster. This is most likley the reason why only a few relationships have lasted, together with the undeniable fact that many men and women are in it for the fame. And lets not forget, it ended up being 'just a fling' for Des and Chris since she chose Brooks...

There is a wide range of estimates of just how many long-term soul-mate relationships exist amongst married couples.  But one-third seems to be a reasonable estimate.  It is just a relationship, where the two of you theoretically-perfectly compliment each other.  It actually takes some time, once you are in one, to realized how it works.  You have to be willing to trust each other enough to let the other person do what comes naturally to them.  When they are doing things naturally, it can at times seem just plain strange from your perspective.  And it can take some time to adjust to your mate's behavior.  The end result after the adjustment period, is that both of you end up being better versions of yourself.  You might have heard people saying that their mate makes them a better person.  Welcome to a long-term soul-mate relationship, where the soul-mates have figured out how well it can work for them.

[MVMom39forever]

So I just watched Chris' date on my phone.  I get what several have said that they have a romantic friendship.  And yes, she doesn't have the same chemistry w him as w Brooks.  But one thing I did notice is that Chris is the only guy, other than Brooks, that she doesn't pull away/end the kissing.  She even initiated several kisses.  Could be that I missed something since I was watching on my phone.

I think the first part of their date ... esp that "jig" in the square that Bryden interrupted ... their chemistry seemed a bit tame but they seemed on the same page and having fun. I know that I personally fell just a little more in love with Chris during that date as I love how he handled himself and what a great guy he was for her throughout the whole Bryden mess.

When Chris read his beautiful poem to her, she had tears in her eyes and yanked him in for a big kiss (and it looked like her chair was going to tip over), I thought for sure Chris just had to be neck-and-neck w/Brooks - or possibly in the lead.

Sad Surprise #1 (for me)
Before the final rose ceremony when Chris asked her who she wanted to kiss, the first guy she mentioned was Brooks and something along the lines that their relationship had progressed that week. I was very surprised as it seemed to me that her relationship with CHris had progressed more (in terms of what we were shown). Her next pick was Zak! What about CHris and your amazing date?!?

Sad Surprise #2

Reading that Chris Harrison said that Des & Chris have had a slow start. Gosh, I thought after she gave him rose and they shared that dance/kissing on ep 3 and then they had great connections on ep.4, their relationship seemed to be progressing ideally. Maybe I was seeing things since Chris had been my frontrunner or maybe it's the edit, but I thought that Chris & Des were solid.

For Des to pass on a great guy like Chris, Brooks just had to have won her heart at hello.

I like Brooks and can see (and read in her blogs) just how happy he makes her so it's all good. Des can have Brooks so BachNation can have Chris as the next Bachelor! Go Chris go!!

[rc49ers]

[Guest]

I think that Chris and Des had a great date despite the interruption. Chris is a sweet guy who really seems like he is ready to find the girl of his dreams. He seems so genuine and I grow to love him more each week if that is even possible. I think Des and Brooks have great chemistry but I think their conversations lack substance. I agree that I don't see a forever with Brooks and Des. I think after the familiarity starts to set in, it will be a different ball game. I still think Brooks is a great guy. I just don't see him with her for the long haul. My selfish side would love to see Chris on my tv as the Bachelor. I would not want him to join the Bachelor Pad cast if the show returns. I would also be happy if he found someone outside of the show and swept her off her feet!

[MVMom39forever]

I think that Chris and Des had a great date despite the interruption. Chris is a sweet guy who really seems like he is ready to find the girl of his dreams. He seems so genuine and I grow to love him more each week if that is even possible. I think Des and Brooks have great chemistry but I think their conversations lack substance. I agree that I don't see a forever with Brooks and Des. I think after the familiarity starts to set in, it will be a different ball game. I still think Brooks is a great guy. I just don't see him with her for the long haul. My selfish side would love to see Chris on my tv as the Bachelor. I would not want him to join the Bachelor Pad cast if the show returns. I would also be happy if he found someone outside of the show and swept her off her feet!

I agree ... no Chris on BachPad !! He is perfect for Bachelor and hope Fleiss takes note. He's romantic, fun, goofy and smart. He's also getting a lot of really positive screen time so average viewer probably has him as a front runner (as I did before getting spoiled).

But I have to disagree about Brooks. I had Brooks in the friend zone after their 1-on-1 date since they seemed SO comfortable together and shared so much with each other and had some really great talks. When I started to see their chemistry pick up, I went back last week (was unspoiled at time) and rewatched their one on one date to see if I could see the sparks of chemistry. I think you can blame the edit for not seeing conversations of substance. I bet going forward:

Chris - fan favorite for F1 - showing us all sides to his awesomeness - viewers will demand he's Bachelor if indeed F2
Brooks - more of just the physical edit when the words we hear from Des and her comments in blog show so much more
Zak - fun guy to have around - good chemistry/she adores him but just as a friend
Drew - mystery man???

[nd4reality]

MVM are you saying that you still see Brooks as physical edit ? Like Roberto ? can you explain please - I'm interested since Roberto got a 'you are so beautiful, no no no - YOU are so beautiful' edit without any convos of substance shown either. Just like Brooks is being edited.

[MVMom39forever]

MVM are you saying that you still see Brooks as physical edit ? Like Roberto ? can you explain please - I'm interested since Roberto got a 'you are so beautiful, no no no - YOU are so beautiful' edit without any convos of substance shown either. Just like Brooks is being edited.

Hi nd4 - Yes, I do see Brooks getting the physical edit for past few episodes.

I think Brooks is the complete package for Des and they showed us that on their one on one date in ep2. However, in ep 3 and 5, TPTB are only showing us that Des is jumping his bones during their group date alone time vs. talking which is probably why some viewers are saying that their relationship lacks substance. Also, Brooks was hidden in ep 4 except for in Des blog when she said they had a "steamy makeout session" so she is stoking the fire as well in getting us to focus on their hot chemistry. I def think they have a multi dimensional relationship and could go the long haul and if anyone rewatches Brooks/Des 1st one on one date, it's pretty plain to see that they connected in so many ways.

It will be interesting to see how TPTB presents to us Brooks' upcoming one on one date as they look to be having some deep conversations on that mountaintop. I bet we once again see Brooks as the whole package but this will be in ep 7, right?  That's a lot of time to pass so will folks remember that he's been this way since ep 2?

On other hand ... ep 3, 4 and 5, Chris has been looking totally like F1 material to me and we saw several dimensions of their relationship. I think in ep 6 we will see Chris standing up to James so another reason to fall in love with him.

If indeed Brooks/Chris are F1/2, I really think viewers will see this a horse race until the end.

[Admin]

I am just so glad to see all of the Chris love! 

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