Fantasy Dates - Screencaps - Discussion

Beeleever wrote:

jelle wrote:Coastal, I think your source was correct in that things ARE going to get more and more dicey for JP. BUT I dont think it has to do with jealousy ... or maybe it does Maybe insecurity and fear WILL be the cause ... Can JP commit?

After Hong Kong (when I believe Ashley was firmly on the JP train), they had to make his jouney go downhill. There was no way it could continue to climb without major obstacles.

The source said (if I remember right) that JP's edit would deteriorate. The source attributed it to jealousy, but the main point is that the edit will become increasingly less positive (How is that for a description?) :giggle:

We saw the jealousy and crabiness in Taiwan, then the wounded man issues highlighted by his family, problems on the fantasy date, family issues on MTP ...

His edit has to go that way (as your souce said) because (IMO) there is no other way to get drama and suspense at the FRC because Ashley made up her mind in Hong Kong.

I am not sure what part Ryan is going to play, but I am convinced there must be some part or some piece of wisdom he imparts, or it wouldnt have been worth beinging him to Fiji. They have Dino's leaving for drama, they dont need him for that.

Does any of this make sense?

Jelle, you are the epitome of logic mixed with respect! (This is a "good" mixture, not a bad one. :awesome: ) Post of the night.

onlyme wrote:

Beeleever wrote:

jelle wrote:Coastal, I think your source was correct in that things ARE going to get more and more dicey for JP. BUT I dont think it has to do with jealousy ... or maybe it does Maybe insecurity and fear WILL be the cause ... Can JP commit?

After Hong Kong (when I believe Ashley was firmly on the JP train), they had to make his jouney go downhill. There was no way it could continue to climb without major obstacles.

The source said (if I remember right) that JP's edit would deteriorate. The source attributed it to jealousy, but the main point is that the edit will become increasingly less positive (How is that for a description?) :giggle:

We saw the jealousy and crabiness in Taiwan, then the wounded man issues highlighted by his family, problems on the fantasy date, family issues on MTP ...

His edit has to go that way (as your souce said) because (IMO) there is no other way to get drama and suspense at the FRC because Ashley made up her mind in Hong Kong.

I am not sure what part Ryan is going to play, but I am convinced there must be some part or some piece of wisdom he imparts, or it wouldnt have been worth beinging him to Fiji. They have Dino's leaving for drama, they dont need him for that.

Does any of this make sense?

Jelle, you are the epitome of logic mixed with respect! (This is a "good" mixture, not a bad one. :awesome: ) Post of the night.

I'll second that.

albean99 wrote:

2observe wrote:

Coastal wrote:

klarson79 wrote:

Coastal wrote:

bilolo wrote:

Coastal wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:Continue to go downhill? His hometown was the best of the three.

IMO, Ben's was the most important and best of the four. Ames, you could see doubts creeping in. JP's was full of fun, but not a lot of content, Constantines was full of fun. Ben's was the most balanced. There was a lot of substance to it and the fun was there too.

dare i say you put your rose glasses here because i did not see the same thing as you but ok it's your opinion

Sorry, but really don't think so. When you look at it, with JP's yes there was fun, but there was a lot of serious doubtful conversations as well. With Ben's date, there was a lot of substance there that makes you understand who Ben is, the connection that Ben and Ash have.

I have to agree to disagree with you on this. That's not how I saw it...sorry! I understand who Ben is now...but didn't do anything for me in regards to Ben & Ashley. I think it's a case of personal opinion on what people find to be the most important and best of the four.

But this is something that I think everyone can agree on...............if you are on Ben's side of the fence, you will see it one way.............if you are on JP's side of the fence, you will likely see it another way.

From Ben's side of the fence, a lot more was shown with regards of the connection Ben and Ashley were getting. IMO.

You heard and saw Ashley talk about her feelings for Ben. Ashley also gives Ben more of her attention when he's talking to her. And, I can't get pass how Ashley turns her head when JP and Constantine would go in for a kiss. Their kisses generally landed on the side of her face and mouth. It was pretty clear to me that Ashley was trying to avoid a full kiss. I also noticed that when she could not avoid the kiss, she would focus on the bottom lip like an actor would.

I'm with you on this, 2Observe. I brought it up here earlier but wasn't a popular opinion. I think part of the reason people see so much chemistry with JP is because of him. Not to say she's disgusted by him at all of course. I'm sure she does enjoying kissing him but the best kisser comment was several episodes ago. I just think it's a strange way to kiss someone if he's the one you're choosing.

I don't truly trust the editing when we're given such different dates so no way to really compare them. I'd have liked to see more fun with Ben to see how Ashley reacted (like in my avatar). I hate it when good stuff lands on the cutting room floor.

I'll be very interested to see how JP reacts to the FD's with the other guys. We certainly have plenty of background to suggest that he may be jealous or at least upset by the thought. I do think it could cause issues on their FD but how much is the question.

Living wrote:

albean99 wrote:

2observe wrote:

Coastal wrote:

klarson79 wrote:

Coastal wrote:

bilolo wrote:

Coastal wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:Continue to go downhill? His hometown was the best of the three.

IMO, Ben's was the most important and best of the four. Ames, you could see doubts creeping in. JP's was full of fun, but not a lot of content, Constantines was full of fun. Ben's was the most balanced. There was a lot of substance to it and the fun was there too.

dare i say you put your rose glasses here because i did not see the same thing as you but ok it's your opinion

Sorry, but really don't think so. When you look at it, with JP's yes there was fun, but there was a lot of serious doubtful conversations as well. With Ben's date, there was a lot of substance there that makes you understand who Ben is, the connection that Ben and Ash have.

I have to agree to disagree with you on this. That's not how I saw it...sorry! I understand who Ben is now...but didn't do anything for me in regards to Ben & Ashley. I think it's a case of personal opinion on what people find to be the most important and best of the four.

But this is something that I think everyone can agree on...............if you are on Ben's side of the fence, you will see it one way.............if you are on JP's side of the fence, you will likely see it another way.

From Ben's side of the fence, a lot more was shown with regards of the connection Ben and Ashley were getting. IMO.

You heard and saw Ashley talk about her feelings for Ben. Ashley also gives Ben more of her attention when he's talking to her. And, I can't get pass how Ashley turns her head when JP and Constantine would go in for a kiss. Their kisses generally landed on the side of her face and mouth. It was pretty clear to me that Ashley was trying to avoid a full kiss. I also noticed that when she could not avoid the kiss, she would focus on the bottom lip like an actor would.

I'm with you on this, 2Observe. I brought it up here earlier but wasn't a popular opinion. I think part of the reason people see so much chemistry with JP is because of him. Not to say she's disgusted by him at all of course. I'm sure she does enjoying kissing him but the best kisser comment was several episodes ago. I just think it's a strange way to kiss someone if he's the one you're choosing.

I don't truly trust the editing when we're given such different dates so no way to really compare them. I'd have liked to see more fun with Ben to see how Ashley reacted (like in my avatar). I hate it when good stuff lands on the cutting room floor.

I'll be very interested to see how JP reacts to the FD's with the other guys. We certainly have plenty of background to suggest that he may be jealous or at least upset by the thought. I do think it could cause issues on their FD but how much is the question.

People see the chemistry between JP and Ash because that is the edit we are getting. The F2 is thrown into our faces to distract us from the real romance happening. Of course everyone saw the chemistry between Brad and Chantal because that is what TPTB emphasized in their edit. Which is a red flag to sleuthers as it proves that, that person is NOT the F1. By episode 3, the JP and Ashley chemistry hit the roof. And, we know that at that time, Ashly was in love with Bentley and could see no one else. Proves the chemistry, kissing things, do not mean a thing.

skitts wrote:As I try to remain neutral due to exceptional F1/F2's this stands out like a sore thumb...Ash said post show she was 95% sure and to JP said "I want to meet your family soooo bad". IF Ben is F1, she has alot of explaing to do and I would not be a happy camper if I were in his shoes. Still believe JP is F1 and as Brad would say...."no doubt about it".

Alanna wrote:

skitts wrote:As I try to remain neutral due to exceptional F1/F2's this stands out like a sore thumb...Ash said post show she was 95% sure and to JP said "I want to meet your family soooo bad". IF Ben is F1, she has alot of explaing to do and I would not be a happy camper if I were in his shoes. Still believe JP is F1 and as Brad would say...."no doubt about it".

I think you're on to something, BABE! :D

skitts wrote:

Alanna wrote:

skitts wrote:As I try to remain neutral due to exceptional F1/F2's this stands out like a sore thumb...Ash said post show she was 95% sure and to JP said "I want to meet your family soooo bad". IF Ben is F1, she has alot of explaing to do and I would not be a happy camper if I were in his shoes. Still believe JP is F1 and as Brad would say...."no doubt about it".

I think you're on to something, BABE! :D

Am I just BABE or THE BABE?

skitts wrote:As I try to remain neutral due to exceptional F1/F2's this stands out like a sore thumb...Ash said post show she was 95% sure and to JP said "I want to meet your family soooo bad". IF Ben is F1, she has alot of explaing to do and I would not be a happy camper if I were in his shoes. Still believe JP is F1 and as Brad would say...."no doubt about it".

anders wrote:

skitts wrote:As I try to remain neutral due to exceptional F1/F2's this stands out like a sore thumb...Ash said post show she was 95% sure and to JP said "I want to meet your family soooo bad". IF Ben is F1, she has alot of explaing to do and I would not be a happy camper if I were in his shoes. Still believe JP is F1 and as Brad would say...."no doubt about it".

Every season I bet the lead has some 'splaining to do no matter who F1/2 are. Tessa vs Bevin, Charlie vs Ryan, Chantal vs Emily.

I'm still convinced JP is F1, but I was just as convinced Deanna was going to choose Jason.