Episode 5 - 6/24 - Bachelorette 9 - Discussion - Spoilers

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canyonvue wrote:I get tired of hearing all the credit the producers get. I know that's where I differ from people on here. How can you enjoy a show when you're only focusing on the producers and their real or imagined tricks? Maybe this is to blame for the lack of enjoyment of this show. People are too focused on the tricks. I'm not looking on that side of things (much). I just want to see who clicks and doesn't and if I can see forever between two people. That's what I think is fun. That's what I get out of this show. Plus, seeing some cute guy once in a while.

So many opinions. Where to start. First, this was an entertaining episode. I laughed out loud a few times.

The episode started with Chris, so I'll start with Chris. If you're not spoiled I can see how people would find some sort of nice relationship and connection between them. I can see how she likes him a lot, but doesn't feel that deep sizzle she feels for Brooks. I think a lot of times they seem like just friends and he catches himself at it and acts all dorky and awkward until she reassures him. I don't know if ultimately they'd get along, if he'd be what she needs. I don't think he'd make a very interesting Bachelor, either. Now Brooks, he'd make a good Bachelor, and I think it'd be very interesting to see the girls go gaga for him a whole season. Please, God, make Brooks the F2 or F3. 

The group date was so fun! Who wouldn't want to go bulleting down a mountain on a sled? You could tell the guys had a blast. Practically every date Brooks is on is on a mountain. 

I don't see what people see in Zak. He is not attractive, at all, and on a show about kissing and love would be very unwatchable and kind of gross. I do not think he'd succeed as a Bachelor. I don't even think some of the Bachelorettes would even be attracted to him. They certainly wouldn't fight over him. I think Des keeps him way too long.

I've thought James was in it for other reasons from the start. He just looks like the type. He acts like a little boy around Des. He turns on the charm. It's annoying. Brooks has him pegged. I can't wait until he's gone.

I don't see the appeal of Juan Pablo, either. He speaks like a little boy. I don't find that attractive. He's not attractive, to me. It'd be another miss, for me, if he was the Bachelor. 

Kasey is a non-factor, although he's cute. He seems kind of little-boyish, as well. Mikey seems like a really nice guy. Too meatheaded (in actions and looks) for me, but he seems to have made good friends with the rest of the guys and that says something.

Now for Brooks. I'm going to take off my "I'm pulling for him" glasses. Even if I wasn't pulling for him I'd think he is gorgeous! So, I'd still be pulling for him.  I have no choice but to pull for him. I go gaga for him and want to see every frame (in filming) that he is in. He's just totally my type of gorgeous. I prefer the prettier boys, but he's also a little scruffy around the edges, which makes him a manly pretty. I don't usually like scruffy, but it makes his pretty just the right amount and sexy. Love his hair, his eyes, his mouth, his smile, his cheekbones, his dimples, his cleft chin, his jawline, his tallness, his build, his long, slender fingers; and his sexy voice. Yes, I said sexy. How can people not hear the sexy in that soft spoken, but virile voice? 

I think he knows he's a sexy man. Why else would he do his hair the way he does? That's a sexy man hairdo. And he probably doesn't have a shortage of girls, at home, who have had a crush on him, and some who are probably weeping right now. I've never been so attracted to a contestant.

Now, to continue without my "pulling for him" glasses. I like that he is going slowly. I don't know if anyone else noticed that, but he doesn't seem to view himself as far along the process as the spoiled people do. He said his "emotional process" is moving along nicely. He said that the rose is an affirmation that their "relationship is progressing." He said that "something changed" that evening and that now he really wants the rose, as if before he didn't really care. Like I said, I like that he seems to be progressing more slowly and realistically than we think, that it wasn't as over-the-top for him, that he doesn't think his relationship with her is the only one. He hasn't been reading the spoilers, it seems.

I think he is getting a little jealous now. More so when she has a relationship (that he's now seen) with a guy that he doesn't like/thinks is a bad guy. That may be the first time he's gone out of the way to see what kind of a relationship she has with another guy. I think he did it out of part jealousy and part getting a read on James.

So, to Brooks, he's still growing to like her and feel things for her. He's there for her, he pays close attention to her, but at the same time he isn't trying to impress her. He just seems to know she likes him and isn't too worried, which shows that he does feel the connection. He hasn't seemed too worried, up to this point, about the connections he has with others.

On the other hand, she is gaga over him. At least when they're alone. I see the glances, I see her standing by him, I see her seeking out his face, but she spends too much time with the other guys, kissing the others guys. That is the thing that always bothers me about this show. In real life, Brooks would probably never see that other stuff—the other dates; the other kissing—and if she really liked him, she also wouldn't be dating a bunch of other guys at the same time making her look like a little tramp and a cheater? 

Is there nothing but chemistry between Des and Brooks? I don't know. I can see the argument in that. He does a lot of the talking. He is a talker, at least around her. He just goes on and on. It's cute and charming and funny and if I were here I'd just want to pull his face in and kiss him, too. They really do seem to get each other and bounce off each other. It's just natural. They seem very comfortable with each other. She seems most comfortable with him, and she said so much when she gave him the rose. I think Brooks must talk a lot and smile a lot when he's nervous. He is very comfortable in his own skin, but I do think she makes him a little nervous. He even said so, post-show, on Twitter, that he didn't remember being so nervous and that everyone will have to see if he gets better.

Their kisses are real and deep and a lot more passionate than any of the others they've shown so far. She just pulls him in and shuts him up and smothers him. Yet those kisses don't seem to make him too sure of himself or their relationship and cocky around the other guys. I think he's not putting too much stock in them. Maybe he's use to that type of reaction from girls. Maybe he feels confident, but he's not a jerk. Maybe he doesn't know what to think.

I just like that his story arc is much more real and slower and than we're giving him credit for. 

Michael and Ben, I just really don't care. Michael is kind of cute, but too short and maybe too pretty. I like that he finally looks like he likes girls and has a tough side, this episode.

Drew grew on me this episode. He is a cutie pie! I use to think he was straight-laced and too uptight, but he is growing on me. He is a cutie! And out of all the others (except for Brooks) I think he would make the best next Bachelor! I would watch that show. Please make that cutie the next one (if Brooks is not). I think his adherence to right and wrong and protecting Des' honor is so cute, too. More Drew, please. I use to think he was too pretty, but as they show his personality I see more.

Judiful wrote:  Woo Hoo ...I finally got registered and logged on ..nothing like a newbe with your boards. This is such a cool forum.. so much fun ...glad to be here and so appreciate all the help it took to get me on board.. Long story ..Have a great day.. I have to see how this is going to post being I have never done this one before !!   Thanks everybody  !!

SafronSahara wrote:

canyonvue wrote:I get tired of hearing all the credit the producers get. I know that's where I differ from people on here. How can you enjoy a show when you're only focusing on the producers and their real or imagined tricks? Maybe this is to blame for the lack of enjoyment of this show. People are too focused on the tricks. I'm not looking on that side of things (much). I just want to see who clicks and doesn't and if I can see forever between two people. That's what I think is fun. That's what I get out of this show. Plus, seeing some cute guy once in a while.

So many opinions. Where to start. First, this was an entertaining episode. I laughed out loud a few times.

The episode started with Chris, so I'll start with Chris. If you're not spoiled I can see how people would find some sort of nice relationship and connection between them. I can see how she likes him a lot, but doesn't feel that deep sizzle she feels for Brooks. I think a lot of times they seem like just friends and he catches himself at it and acts all dorky and awkward until she reassures him. I don't know if ultimately they'd get along, if he'd be what she needs. I don't think he'd make a very interesting Bachelor, either. Now Brooks, he'd make a good Bachelor, and I think it'd be very interesting to see the girls go gaga for him a whole season. Please, God, make Brooks the F2 or F3. 

The group date was so fun! Who wouldn't want to go bulleting down a mountain on a sled? You could tell the guys had a blast. Practically every date Brooks is on is on a mountain. 

I don't see what people see in Zak. He is not attractive, at all, and on a show about kissing and love would be very unwatchable and kind of gross. I do not think he'd succeed as a Bachelor. I don't even think some of the Bachelorettes would even be attracted to him. They certainly wouldn't fight over him. I think Des keeps him way too long.

I've thought James was in it for other reasons from the start. He just looks like the type. He acts like a little boy around Des. He turns on the charm. It's annoying. Brooks has him pegged. I can't wait until he's gone.

I don't see the appeal of Juan Pablo, either. He speaks like a little boy. I don't find that attractive. He's not attractive, to me. It'd be another miss, for me, if he was the Bachelor. 

Kasey is a non-factor, although he's cute. He seems kind of little-boyish, as well. Mikey seems like a really nice guy. Too meatheaded (in actions and looks) for me, but he seems to have made good friends with the rest of the guys and that says something.

Now for Brooks. I'm going to take off my "I'm pulling for him" glasses. Even if I wasn't pulling for him I'd think he is gorgeous! So, I'd still be pulling for him.  I have no choice but to pull for him. I go gaga for him and want to see every frame (in filming) that he is in. He's just totally my type of gorgeous. I prefer the prettier boys, but he's also a little scruffy around the edges, which makes him a manly pretty. I don't usually like scruffy, but it makes his pretty just the right amount and sexy. Love his hair, his eyes, his mouth, his smile, his cheekbones, his dimples, his cleft chin, his jawline, his tallness, his build, his long, slender fingers; and his sexy voice. Yes, I said sexy. How can people not hear the sexy in that soft spoken, but virile voice? 

I think he knows he's a sexy man. Why else would he do his hair the way he does? That's a sexy man hairdo. And he probably doesn't have a shortage of girls, at home, who have had a crush on him, and some who are probably weeping right now. I've never been so attracted to a contestant.

Now, to continue without my "pulling for him" glasses. I like that he is going slowly. I don't know if anyone else noticed that, but he doesn't seem to view himself as far along the process as the spoiled people do. He said his "emotional process" is moving along nicely. He said that the rose is an affirmation that their "relationship is progressing." He said that "something changed" that evening and that now he really wants the rose, as if before he didn't really care. Like I said, I like that he seems to be progressing more slowly and realistically than we think, that it wasn't as over-the-top for him, that he doesn't think his relationship with her is the only one. He hasn't been reading the spoilers, it seems.

I think he is getting a little jealous now. More so when she has a relationship (that he's now seen) with a guy that he doesn't like/thinks is a bad guy. That may be the first time he's gone out of the way to see what kind of a relationship she has with another guy. I think he did it out of part jealousy and part getting a read on James.

So, to Brooks, he's still growing to like her and feel things for her. He's there for her, he pays close attention to her, but at the same time he isn't trying to impress her. He just seems to know she likes him and isn't too worried, which shows that he does feel the connection. He hasn't seemed too worried, up to this point, about the connections he has with others.

On the other hand, she is gaga over him. At least when they're alone. I see the glances, I see her standing by him, I see her seeking out his face, but she spends too much time with the other guys, kissing the others guys. That is the thing that always bothers me about this show. In real life, Brooks would probably never see that other stuff—the other dates; the other kissing—and if she really liked him, she also wouldn't be dating a bunch of other guys at the same time making her look like a little tramp and a cheater? 

Is there nothing but chemistry between Des and Brooks? I don't know. I can see the argument in that. He does a lot of the talking. He is a talker, at least around her. He just goes on and on. It's cute and charming and funny and if I were here I'd just want to pull his face in and kiss him, too. They really do seem to get each other and bounce off each other. It's just natural. They seem very comfortable with each other. She seems most comfortable with him, and she said so much when she gave him the rose. I think Brooks must talk a lot and smile a lot when he's nervous. He is very comfortable in his own skin, but I do think she makes him a little nervous. He even said so, post-show, on Twitter, that he didn't remember being so nervous and that everyone will have to see if he gets better.

Their kisses are real and deep and a lot more passionate than any of the others they've shown so far. She just pulls him in and shuts him up and smothers him. Yet those kisses don't seem to make him too sure of himself or their relationship and cocky around the other guys. I think he's not putting too much stock in them. Maybe he's use to that type of reaction from girls. Maybe he feels confident, but he's not a jerk. Maybe he doesn't know what to think.

I just like that his story arc is much more real and slower and than we're giving him credit for. 

Michael and Ben, I just really don't care. Michael is kind of cute, but too short and maybe too pretty. I like that he finally looks like he likes girls and has a tough side, this episode.

Drew grew on me this episode. He is a cutie pie! I use to think he was straight-laced and too uptight, but he is growing on me. He is a cutie! And out of all the others (except for Brooks) I think he would make the best next Bachelor! I would watch that show. Please make that cutie the next one (if Brooks is not). I think his adherence to right and wrong and protecting Des' honor is so cute, too. More Drew, please. I use to think he was too pretty, but as they show his personality I see more.

I agree with everything you wrote. Brooks would make an awesome Bachelor. He's layered enough to be a very likable lead. Not to mention all the women would be swooning over him.

To be frank, Chris isn't hot enough. But I think Drew has the total makings of a Bachelor candidate.

Juan Pablo has grown on me but I still don't see his appeal. Nothing about him is sexy to me.

rosey1988 wrote:

sophienette wrote:

Beagle wrote:I think Fleiss wants Zak as the Bachelor.

He is being shown a lot and both fun and serious sweet sides....

Beagle, I'm curious why you think Fleiss wants Zak as the Bachelor?

Beagle wrote:

rosey1988 wrote:

sophienette wrote:

Beagle wrote:I think Fleiss wants Zak as the Bachelor.

He is being shown a lot and both fun and serious sweet sides....

Beagle, I'm curious why you think Fleiss wants Zak as the Bachelor?

Hi Rosie. I think Fleiss likes Zak's personality the most. He's a little bit out there willing to do things others wont ( like on his intro). With Zak Fleiss has a lot of material to work with. So far they're giving him a good, fun but also sensitive edit in my opinion to see if he builds up a big fan base. CH also promotes him as a good guy which is another sign to me that they are trying to see if he does well with the audience.

Love_Me wrote:

Beagle wrote:

rosey1988 wrote:

sophienette wrote:

Beagle wrote:I think Fleiss wants Zak as the Bachelor.

He is being shown a lot and both fun and serious sweet sides....

Beagle, I'm curious why you think Fleiss wants Zak as the Bachelor?

Hi Rosie. I think Fleiss likes Zak's personality the most. He's a little bit out there willing to do things others wont ( like on his intro). With Zak Fleiss has a lot of material to work with. So far they're giving him a good, fun but also sensitive edit in my opinion to see if he builds up a big fan base. CH also promotes him as a good guy which is another sign to me that they are trying to see if he does well with the audience.

I agree with you that if Chris Harrison and MF had to pick the next Bachelor without anyone else having a say Zak would be their guy.

sophienette wrote:My recap is up :) Not as much fun as Bee but hey, I am no writer!

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atem wrote:

sophienette wrote:My recap is up :) Not as much fun as Bee but hey, I am no writer!

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Thanks!  Could you please remind Robert about his telling us when this 'best ever scene' happens?