VO & PI's - Bachelorette 9 - Discussion

JBF wrote:

nd4reality wrote:

JBF wrote:Like I said, this is going to be a looooong season.

why ?

Seems like the after episode 2, the season is already over (Edited)

You may still be right.

This may potentially be an “Easter Egg clue” regarding the outcome… and I’ll let others decide if it is important or not. One brief scene echoed Ashley Hebert’s season. At one point, Desiree says on you-know-who's date “You kinda have to go through the hard stuff to get to where you want to be.” Although the piano playing was slightly different in melody, it had a similar tone to when Ashley told JP on his fantasy date “You can’t get to where you need to be at the end if you hold back”.

Oh, I noticed that 'You have to go through the hard stuff' myself, because she seems to say that at the end about the ups and downs, but this is what she was waiting for.

I gues for me it's always about the how.

nd4reality wrote:

JBF wrote:

nd4reality wrote:

JBF wrote:Like I said, this is going to be a looooong season.

why ?

Seems like the after episode 2, the season is already over (Edited)

You may still be right.

This may potentially be an “Easter Egg clue” regarding the outcome… and I’ll let others decide if it is important or not. One brief scene echoed Ashley Hebert’s season. At one point, Desiree says on you-know-who's date “You kinda have to go through the hard stuff to get to where you want to be.” Although the piano playing was slightly different in melody, it had a similar tone to when Ashley told JP on his fantasy date “You can’t get to where you need to be at the end if you hold back”.

We'll keep that in mind.

Though it seems like we don't need "clues" to backup the ending. Seems pretty clear-cut to me either way. Perhaps there is a mystery about the how but not the who = no real mystery = done deal season. jmo.
Thats why I was wondering why it would be a long one !

I wouldn't jump to conclusions that dressing up as if you are on your honeymoon indicates that you are definitely her F1 pick. Remember that Ashley almost married William Holman as well.

However... *chuckle chuckle*... and you know I am agreeing, not disagreeing with you, and understand what you mean here...

The reason that I compared Desiree's "You kinda have to go through the hard stuff to get to where you want to be" with Ashley's "You can’t get to where you need to be at the end if you hold back" is because, despite Brooks previously discussing the struggles he had with his divorced dad, Desiree was really discussing the show's "process".

To spell this out better... assuming Brooks is definitely F1 and not Chris or anybody else:

Brooks has an "emotional rollercoaster" this season and almost blows it. Does this happen just on the dodgeball date (when he has a physical accident) or at other times as well?

This is why Larry's line in episode #1 was so important when spoken over Brook's face-shot: "I’m going down in flames. I at least deserve the time to plead my case before the judge."

When Ashley used those slightly different lines with JP, this was after Taiwan (when he was mad about Ben's overnight date) and right after she got him too "hopeful", telling him that Constantine bugged out of his fantasy date and Ryan came back and left again. JP says "then there there were only two" and Ashley again has to remind him not to get "hung up" on the other date (Ben Flajnik).

Add to this Chris Harrison laying out Brook's storyline in his blog. Either Brooks will succeed at the end of this ordeal or he will fail. Obviously he has some sort of breakdown mid-way because it sounds like the editors spliced and diced one line of his with James and his own meltdown.

Yes JBF I do too think that Brooks has some sort of breakdown somewhere along the line. Good catch.

Can't have his story without any story now can we ?

Add to this Chris Harrison laying out Brook's storyline in his blog. Either Brooks will succeed at the end of this ordeal or he will fail. Obviously he has some sort of breakdown mid-way because it sounds like the editors spliced and diced one line of his with James and his own meltdown..

I totally agree with you there! Something bad happens like at the last minute. Maybe, their LCD was the one that had the bad conversation and not the FD like RS claimed Zak had.

Whatever made Reality Steve think Zak screwed upon his fantasy date, when he probably didn't make it past hometowns? Boy! His leakers are really distracting him from the truth big time!

Oh yeah... Brooks promised us on screen "Strap on your seatbelts. It’s gonna be an awesome ride" and I pooh-poohed him in my recap earlier by labeling his boring date as a Bleachable Moment for abc.com. Maybe later scenes will be worthy of more bleach?

I don't know what Brooks is worried about, Fantasy Suite wise. She sent Jonathan home because she's "not that kind of girl".

Ha ha unless she took 4 guys to Antigua ! We have proof of 2 of the 4 so anything is possible

Ha ha! You reminded me of Spain with Jillian's season. Ed was the only one getting the fantasy suite (mostly to "talk"... LOL!) and... yet... Reid had a peekaboo robe scene shown in the promos with her. It was identified from that episode/week and apparently snipped out for a reason. On screen, she doesn't take Reid to any suite (ditto Wes and Kiptyn). Yet the sleuthers went bonkers over that particular shot because it was pretty obvious that SOMETHING happened, even if it was all quite "innocent" and didn't involve an exploding volcano or sunburn lotion.

JBF wrote:Ha ha! You reminded me of Spain with Jillian's season. Ed was the only one getting the fantasy suite (mostly to "talk"... LOL!) and... yet... Reid had a peekaboo robe scene shown in the promos with her. It was identified from that episode/week and apparently snipped out for a reason. On screen, she doesn't take Reid to any suite (ditto Wes and Kiptyn). Yet the sleuthers went bonkers over that particular shot because it was pretty obvious that SOMETHING happened, even if it was all quite "innocent" and didn't involve an exploding volcano or sunburn lotion.

Yeah, the sleuths even found out what hotel Jillian and Reid went to and they headed to the hot tub. The place was gorgeous! It was bad enough the stupid commercials kept making it look like Reid had a ED problem, then they went and cut out them going to the hotel room.

Even so, better the promos than the main show, where Ed had the ED problem instead. Lights off. Lights on. (He was back in the saddle during Bachelor Pad 3 though.) Guess both guys were ketchup rather than sauerkraut guys.

JBF wrote:Even so, better the promos than the main show, where Ed had the ED problem instead. Lights off. Lights on. (He was back in the saddle during Bachelor Pad 3 though.) Guess both guys were ketchup rather than sauerkraut guys.

That Ed ED problem made this Reidster know 100% that he was F1....they wouldn't do that to the guy on national TV AND have him be F2. Too emasculating!
That LCD with fireworks and volcanoes exploding also was ridiculous!

Now... now... it was only one volcano. Let's not stroke Edward's ego more than necessary.

JBF wrote:

nd4reality wrote:

JBF wrote:

nd4reality wrote:

JBF wrote:Like I said, this is going to be a looooong season.

why ?

Seems like the after episode 2, the season is already over (Edited)

You may still be right.

This may potentially be an “Easter Egg clue” regarding the outcome… and I’ll let others decide if it is important or not. One brief scene echoed Ashley Hebert’s season. At one point, Desiree says on you-know-who's date “You kinda have to go through the hard stuff to get to where you want to be.” Although the piano playing was slightly different in melody, it had a similar tone to when Ashley told JP on his fantasy date “You can’t get to where you need to be at the end if you hold back”.

We'll keep that in mind.

Though it seems like we don't need "clues" to backup the ending. Seems pretty clear-cut to me either way. Perhaps there is a mystery about the how but not the who = no real mystery = done deal season. jmo.
Thats why I was wondering why it would be a long one !

I wouldn't jump to conclusions that dressing up as if you are on your honeymoon indicates that you are definitely her F1 pick. Remember that Ashley almost married William Holman as well.

However... *chuckle chuckle*... and you know I am agreeing, not disagreeing with you, and understand what you mean here...

The reason that I compared Desiree's "You kinda have to go through the hard stuff to get to where you want to be" with Ashley's "You can’t get to where you need to be at the end if you hold back" is because, despite Brooks previously discussing the struggles he had with his divorced dad, Desiree was really discussing the show's "process".

To spell this out better... assuming Brooks is definitely F1 and not Chris or anybody else:

Brooks has an "emotional rollercoaster" this season and almost blows it. Does this happen just on the dodgeball date (when he has a physical accident) or at other times as well?

This is why Larry's line in episode #1 was so important when spoken over Brook's face-shot: "I’m going down in flames. I at least deserve the time to plead my case before the judge."

When Ashley used those slightly different lines with JP, this was after Taiwan (when he was mad about Ben's overnight date) and right after she got him too "hopeful", telling him that Constantine bugged out of his fantasy date and Ryan came back and left again. JP says "then there there were only two" and Ashley again has to remind him not to get "hung up" on the other date (Ben Flajnik).

Add to this Chris Harrison laying out Brook's storyline in his blog. Either Brooks will succeed at the end of this ordeal or he will fail. Obviously he has some sort of breakdown mid-way because it sounds like the editors spliced and diced one line of his with James and his own meltdown.

Hello guys! I dont konw if you saw it JBF, Chris Harrison said for Tv Guide:"It may have been the best first date we've ever had. [Desiree] and Brooks definitely have something, but when you get that first date it's always a double-edged sword. With it always comes insecurity because you're riding high, but then she's going on more and more dates and you're like, "Wait, I thought we had this connection." So it takes a strong guy to get the first date and survive."