Re: Episode 8 (HTD's) - 2/18 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

by chaslom4 Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:14 pm

I remember a lot of the same thing happening with JP...either everything was about Ben, or remarks were being made that JP was some kind of a crazy jealous unstable person. I think JP and Ash would be the first to admit also that they are total opposites. A lot of people said they would never last either because of JP's jealousy. Look at them now.

by pavalygurl Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:25 pm

I don't see Sean and Catherine as being like JP and Ashley. I like Catherine, but I think Sean is not the one for her. If they are happy together though, that is what counts.

by coloured123 Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:27 pm

deeliciouz wrote:It certainly feels like the odds are against Sean and Catherine. The edit. Her family? Maybe his family? Chris Harrison. TPTB. It's funny I feel like Catherine's parts in the show is always met with silence/quiet on twitter as far as the official peeps are concerned.

Am I even making sense?

I notice this as well, as im checking the live tweets, theres always a lot to say on the other contestants, but when it comes to catherine...nothing, or really little. Maybe its because they dont want to make it too obvious? i don't know..

by northernviewer Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:27 pm

LoveDovez wrote:
northernviewer wrote:
LoveDovez wrote:
northernviewer wrote:I wonder how Catharine felt watching last night, knowing that Sean pretty much did a coin toss to see if her or Desiree were going home? Haven't read the board in a few days... but wondering if everybody is still saying that they could still "see" the love between them on their last few dates????.... cuz after Sean almost eliminating her..... I'm thinking it just didn't exist at the time. Wonder what happened in the FS that got him to changes his mind??

also, how does a guy propose to a girl after liking 2 other girls better than her up until a week or so before he gets down on one knee??? kinda ridiculous to me

That was all for drama sake. Sean knew Cat wasn't going anywhere , same as the people that have watched closely this season knew it was all MF and none of Sean other than him having to go along with it. Kinda convenient to already have those two girls pictures together, wouldn't you say??????

So you're saying Sean's a liar and willing to hurt his F1 to make MF happy?

No, I'm saying that some people act like they've never watched this show and realizes he has to LIE to 2 ( or more) different girls to get to his F1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happens EVERY season... Thought people would realize this by NOW.... :giggle:

Now you're talking about a different subject entirely.

I was talking about how Sean said to CH and in a PI specifically, that he was going to give Ashlee and Lindsey a rose, but wasn't sure if he was going to send Des or Cat home. So he either honestly hadn't decided on Cat at that moment in time .... OR he's an even bigger moron than I thought he was if he was willing to act all of that out on camera to do something hurtful to his F1 and to cast doubt on the legitimacy of their feelings.

by RealityEscape Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:33 pm

coloured123 wrote:
deeliciouz wrote:It certainly feels like the odds are against Sean and Catherine. The edit. Her family? Maybe his family? Chris Harrison. TPTB. It's funny I feel like Catherine's parts in the show is always met with silence/quiet on twitter as far as the official peeps are concerned.

Am I even making sense?

I notice this as well, as im checking the live tweets, theres always a lot to say on the other contestants, but when it comes to catherine...nothing, or really little. Maybe its because they dont want to make it too obvious? i don't know..

I don't think I know her and I read this forum a lot! She seems adorable, likes to do most anything and she smiles with her whole self but I don't know her opinions on much of anything. I have no idea what she likes in a guy except she did know it was Sean ahead of time because we see her showing her mom his picture while she's packing - so he must fit the picture some. I wish TPTB tried to get us to like the F1 and the couple. I know it's hard to do with a Courtney or Vienna but there's certainly more likable scenes with Catherine.

by Jaybird Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:35 pm

JMO...
I just rewatched last night's epi and, meh, I don't see Sean all that broken up about Des leaving. Even in 'the deliberation room' he didn't seem torn up. Nothing like Jill sending Reid home.
And frankly, Des didn't seem that broken up about it either until she got in the limo.

I think at this point Lindsay was at the top with Cat a close second, mainly because the part of Cat's HTD with the fam shook him up. I don't even think Ash was in the running at this point, sad to say. Always with Cat it's about whether she's ready, will they fit in real life.... None of the others have this question.

i agree with whoever said 'the heart wants what the heart wants'. So true! :yes:

by deeliciouz Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:36 pm

coloured123 wrote:
deeliciouz wrote:It certainly feels like the odds are against Sean and Catherine. The edit. Her family? Maybe his family? Chris Harrison. TPTB. It's funny I feel like Catherine's parts in the show is always met with silence/quiet on twitter as far as the official peeps are concerned.

Am I even making sense?

I notice this as well, as im checking the live tweets, theres always a lot to say on the other contestants, but when it comes to catherine...nothing, or really little. Maybe its because they dont want to make it too obvious? i don't know..

It's frustrating. It's like she's "She who must not be named." Ok, I'm being dramatic, but it certainly appears that way, no?

by deeliciouz Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:42 pm

Jaybird wrote:JMO...
I just rewatched last night's epi and, meh, I don't see Sean all that broken up about Des leaving. Even in 'the deliberation room' he didn't seem torn up. Nothing like Jill sending Reid home.
And frankly, Des didn't seem that broken up about it either until she got in the limo.

I think at this point Lindsay was at the top with Cat a close second, mainly because the part of Cat's HTD with the fam shook him up. I don't even think Ash was in the running at this point, sad to say. Always with Cat it's about whether she's ready, will they fit in real life.... None of the others have this question.

i agree with whoever said 'the heart wants what the heart wants'. So true!

As much as I love Sean and Cat together the edit last night has me thinking that Lindsay and Sean would fit so well together. I'm really curious as to how the ending came to be... I'm all for love so I guess and hope that sean is happy now. Embarressed!

by Bronwyn Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:54 pm

Jaybird wrote:JMO...
I just rewatched last night's epi and, meh, I don't see Sean all that broken up about Des leaving. Even in 'the deliberation room' he didn't seem torn up. Nothing like Jill sending Reid home.
And frankly, Des didn't seem that broken up about it either until she got in the limo.

I think at this point Lindsay was at the top with Cat a close second, mainly because the part of Cat's HTD with the fam shook him up. I don't even think Ash was in the running at this point, sad to say. Always with Cat it's about whether she's ready, will they fit in real life.... None of the others have this question.

i agree with whoever said 'the heart wants what the heart wants'. So true!

I thought a couple of times last night that Sean didn't look that upset as well. There were times when the two of them were sitting there right before Des left, that his facial expression was completely blank while he was looking at her. No sadness, just a blank stare.

by Love_Me Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:40 am

coloured123 wrote:Does anyone have a compilation of what that letter says? My eyes can only make out 'memorable' and 'meeting' haha

Laurabadora14 wrote:
coloured123 wrote:Does anyone have a compilation of what that letter says? My eyes can only make out 'memorable' and 'meeting' haha

They've been working on it in one of the sleuthing threads and have gotten alot of it. I can't remember which thread though.

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by Laurabadora14 Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:55 pm

Love_Me wrote:
coloured123 wrote:Does anyone have a compilation of what that letter says? My eyes can only make out 'memorable' and 'meeting' haha

Laurabadora14 wrote:
coloured123 wrote:Does anyone have a compilation of what that letter says? My eyes can only make out 'memorable' and 'meeting' haha

They've been working on it in one of the sleuthing threads and have gotten alot of it. I can't remember which thread though.

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Thanks Lilly! I did find it but I forgot to bring it over. bestbud!

by Catdwoman50 Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:57 pm

deeliciouz wrote:
coloured123 wrote:
deeliciouz wrote:It certainly feels like the odds are against Sean and Catherine. The edit. Her family? Maybe his family? Chris Harrison. TPTB. It's funny I feel like Catherine's parts in the show is always met with silence/quiet on twitter as far as the official peeps are concerned.

Am I even making sense?

I notice this as well, as im checking the live tweets, theres always a lot to say on the other contestants, but when it comes to catherine...nothing, or really little. Maybe its because they dont want to make it too obvious? i don't know..

It's frustrating. It's like she's "She who must not be named." Ok, I'm being dramatic, but it certainly appears that way, no?

OK. I thought I compartmentalized this binge - apparently not. Can you believe I am typing while in a meeting (this is the new definition of multi-tasking, Multi-tasking = The Bachelor blog + work meeting = very productive!)

So I was thinking about Cat's family, I know people have moved on but humor me. I was thinking of her family in context of mine - Asian, gregarious, religious, and big, my parents are still together though.. I included TPTB edit rationale here too. I have 3 other siblings, one of whom is a sister and I am the oldest sister.

When my sister announced that she was engaged to an all-american guy (military, loves hunting, very republican, from a small family up in small town PA) she met 3 mos prior, I counseled my sister whether it was moving too fast and if they were serious, etc. Did I speak to her then-fiancee and talk about my sister's faults that he may not have known? - Yes I did! They were getting serious (a little different situation because they were in their early 30s) but I kept it real. Marriage in context of the Filipino culture and Catholics is forever, we don't recognize divorce - it will have to be a lengthy annulment process if they make a mistake. Suffice it to say, my sister and BIL have been happily married for almost a decade.

So based on out takes and what I saw during Sean's visit, Sean had fun with Cat's family. He was laughing and participating in the family's activities. I'm not sure what the expectations are for a "traditional" American family but Filipino families are "LOUD" in small houses like Cat's - lots of kids running around. Asian space bubble is small in context of the American space bubble. I think the rest of the world's is smaller than the US space bubble, the rest of the world has moved on to international metrics (which is smaller measurements) while US held out - get my drift? It would take me a bit to explain cultural differences in regards to space bubbles we surround ourselves with in context of culture and upbringing. For example, My MIL gets overwhelmed when she comes to my parents' big parties, while my mom gets uncomfortable with my MIL's. My MIL's parties are smaller, usually cocktail hour, hors d' veours, and classical music in the background... etc. I love MIL's parties and I love my parents parties too (I host both kinds in my home, depends on who my guests are, sometimes I mix it up - those are the best). In short, my sister and I adopted pretty well, as I think Sean and Cat will be able to do the same. At the end of the day what we saw in the 15 min clip are cultural differences that many have overcome.

About the realism of the encounter. I don't think everything were shown to us - this is the TPTB edit. I believe that the sisters' conversation went like this: "Her room is a pigsty, but..." "She is on prozac, but..." "She wants to live in NY since forever and YOU can't change her mind, but..." I'm kidding of course. I believe that they realize this was getting serious, so if Sean really has feelings for Cat, he should know more about Cat and not just the good stuff. In the real world, will I throw bones out of my sister's closet to her soon-to-be fiancee first time I meet him? NO, of course not. But Sean is going to be making serious decisions here, this is the only meeting they will have before he makes that decision. If I was CAT's sister I will take the opportunity to open Sean's eyes? YES. My mindset given that opportunity would be: "If you have deeper feelings for someone else and you can't get past my sister's issues or faults, let her go now. Otherwise, if 2 weeks from now you call my mother to ask for her hand again. by then, I know you figured out how to move forward with her. I will be comfortable knowing you will not be in the tabloids 3 months from now."

The way I see it, CAT's life is not boring, it is going to be entertaining and adventurous. Yes it will be difficult at times as there will cultural differences but they will be keping it real and perhaps overcome it because they have the "IT" factor. Their personalities somehow meshes - and there is passion as we will see. If many people can get past the differences why can't they? If Sean can get past what Cat's sisters have told him, why can't we? I think the fact the he kept Cat at the last RC is very telling of what he felt for CAT at that moment, don't you think?

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