Episode 8 (HTD's) - 2/18 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

Poor Catherine! I don't think she's default at all. Desiree is like Frank was in Ali's season. Early date leads to peaking early. Don't think all that much has been there for weeks.

I'm looking forward to tonight and hoping we get good Cat stuff.

chicagoowl wrote:

twinkletoes143 wrote:It seemed to me, Desiree checked out in Montana. Sean was so confused that it affected him so much, enough to say his wife might not be in that group. I feel like Sean is way more into Desiree and Desiree is only probably after the Bachelorette gig. The brother just helped her sabotaged the whole thing so he would not choose her for sure.

I don't want to be a drag, but I feel for Catherine. Nobody should feel like she is a default choice of anyone. I was hoping that Catherine was like Tessa for Andy, or Emily for Brad. They were the only one, the only choice. This is why I enjoyed watching The Bachelorette, it's set up that the man is more invested in only one woman and there are no other women/girls as distractions. Having said that, I would LOVE LOVE for Catherine to be the Bachelorette (wishful thinking.)

I think in Montana Sean was not only discouraged because of Desiree, but because of all the Tierra drama with the women. By that point, he was starting to fall for Catherine. Afterall, he had the blue team come to the night part of the group date because he wanted to spend more time with Catherine. I think things just faded with Des and at the HTD he realized maybe their lives wouldn't mesh as well as he thought and he started to have stronger feelings for Cat and Lindsay.

I know some people will question whether Cat is a default F1. I don't feel that way. To me it is clear how he reacts to her, talks about her, how he looks when he is talking about her. Yes, he was interested in Des and several others, but that interest faded, while Catherine flourished.

I know not everyone sees the same thing...I was during Brad2 when everyone was talking about this beautiful love story with Em...but, just because we don't see it, doesn't mean that the couple involved don't know the truth of what is going on between them and how things went down. We know several Bachelors had an understanding between themselves and their F1...Travis and Matt are the two that come to mind. Sean has been fairly open all season about how things went down and stated that he hopes his F1 will understand how he had to go through all that he did to get to her. So far it seems as if there haven't been any major issues, but, time will tell.

umngirl wrote:I know about 15 or so people who watch unspoiled. I asked them this weekend who they thought he pickes. These were the totals:
AshLee- 1
Lindsay- 3
Des- 5
Catherine- 6

So I guess it really depends on things. So many of them say they see something special between them and that they have "it" but can't really explain it. I suspect after tonight the large majority of them will firmly be on the Catherine train.

I have checked some of the unspoiled boards and many of people there think Cat & Des could be contenders for F1--meaning they see a deeper connection with both. I think many will be surprised that Lindsay is F2 because many still stereotype her as the drunk wedding dress girl. I'm assuming tonight we will begin to see more of Sean's connection with Cat and Lindsay.

umngirl wrote:I know about 15 or so people who watch unspoiled. I asked them this weekend who they thought he pickes. These were the totals:
AshLee- 1
Lindsay- 3
Des- 5
Catherine- 6

So I guess it really depends on things. So many of them say they see something special between them and that they have "it" but can't really explain it. I suspect after tonight the large majority of them will firmly be on the Catherine train.

Ok hahah. The women I work with don't even know who is Catherine is. One thing that isn't edit is that the unspoiled think Sean picks All the dates. He's had two 1-on-1's with des and Ashelee and 1 with Lindsay and Catherine. Catherine, correct me if I'm wrong, has gotten zero group date roses.

Your friends must be incredibly observant. Congratulate them. If RS ever quits spilling this show and we have to go back to sleuthing, we need them as a resource. My wife is unspoiled, even took notes the 1st night and didn't put Catherine in her top 5 because she got no 1-on-1 speaking time with Sean.

She knows the edit pattern fairly well and dismissed her because she got not screen time night one and a very late 1-on-1 and never gipot a group date rose. She keeps waiting for Catherine and Lindsay to get the boot.

I noticed some unspoiled people think Des as f1 and AshLee as f2. Some even think AshLee could be f1.

ThankMeLater wrote:I noticed some unspoiled people think Des as f1 and AshLee as f2. Some even think AshLee could be f1.

That's ALL I'm hearing from every unspoiled I know. Apparently others hear know folks who are seeing deeper into the edit.
My group tells me Ashlee has "too many issues". If I mention Catherine the only response I get is "is that the Asian girl?" If I mention Lindsay it's something negative "drunk" "ditz" (eye roll) "the bride?"

Many will be surprised I think.

I have asked some of my unspoiled friends also. Catherine was not on the radar earlier but several have now put her as in the final 2. None of my friends pick AshLee and think she will be the next to go...although the previews for next week have some of them stumped since they picked Des as the other finalist but, don't understand what happens at the HTD. None are really fans of Lindsey and wonder why is she still there and when she will be leaving. I just keep grinning my Cheshire cat grin and keep telling them to watch his body language and how he looks when he is talking directly to the camera about each of his ladies.

Over the years I have tried to educate them on how editing works and that what they think happened, didn't necessarily happen that way. Some were SHOCKED!!! Some got more interested in that aspect and have since joined me on the dark side, but most can't be bothered and just watch for the crazy.

It's nice to have some unspoiled friends so that I can follow their reactions, but it is always interesting to see how the same thing can bring about so many different reactions and interpretations. To me it's all just one giant brain teaser and I always love puzzles.

Barbarossa wrote:

ThankMeLater wrote:I noticed some unspoiled people think Des as f1 and AshLee as f2. Some even think AshLee could be f1.

That's ALL I'm hearing from every unspoiled I know. Apparently others hear know folks who are seeing deeper into the edit.
My group tells me Ashlee has "too many issues". If I mention Catherine the only response I get is "is that the Asian girl?" If I mention Lindsay it's something negative "drunk" "ditz" (eye roll) "the bride?"

Many will be surprised I think.

Well, tonight will be Desiree's last episode, and I was thinking the "trailer trash" brother will be way more popular than Desiree after this episode. The asian one will have more screen time and by then I hope your friends will know her name. :shocked!:

Anyhow, I never remember any family member putting The Bachelor on the spot, like Desiree's brother did. I was cringing when the brother said "You are just a playboy!" after Sean said, "I'm crazy about your sister". Well Sean, you were crazy about Tierra, Desiree, Catherine and etc. The brother has the balls to say the things that are on many people's minds.

twinkletoes143 wrote:

Barbarossa wrote:

ThankMeLater wrote:I noticed some unspoiled people think Des as f1 and AshLee as f2. Some even think AshLee could be f1.

That's ALL I'm hearing from every unspoiled I know. Apparently others hear know folks who are seeing deeper into the edit.
My group tells me Ashlee has "too many issues". If I mention Catherine the only response I get is "is that the Asian girl?" If I mention Lindsay it's something negative "drunk" "ditz" (eye roll) "the bride?"

Many will be surprised I think.

Well, tonight will be Desiree's last episode, and I was thinking the "trailer trash" brother will be way more popular than Desiree after this episode. The asian one will have more screen time and by then I hope your friends will know her name. :shocked!:

Anyhow, I never remember any family member putting The Bachelor on the spot, like Desiree's brother did. I was cringing when the brother said "You are just a playboy!" after Sean said, "I'm crazy about your sister". Well Sean, you were crazy about Tierra, Desiree, Catherine and etc. The brother has the balls to say the things that are on many people's minds.

Law of decreasing numbers. They can't hide her forever. But they will ask why didn't she get more dates? We'll see; these producers are expert at turning the edit. I'm sure Lindsay will get a good one to launch her bachelorette campaign.
I'll let you know how they all react.

Sean definitely has some tells in my opinion when he's with Catherine. That might be because I'm looking for them but oh well. :giggle:

Ashley had a ton of tells with JP so that was no surprise that she chose him but I think there is something similar here. Its much more subtle here because they show so little of her but he always seems different with Cat. He actually is enjoying each moment with her. I think if people just mute it they would see it because he is saying what he is fed but his actions seem to be stiff except with Catherine. It will be interesting to see what the response is over the next two weeks when the front-runners for most are gone...

twinkletoes143 wrote:

Barbarossa wrote:

ThankMeLater wrote:I noticed some unspoiled people think Des as f1 and AshLee as f2. Some even think AshLee could be f1.

That's ALL I'm hearing from every unspoiled I know. Apparently others hear know folks who are seeing deeper into the edit.
My group tells me Ashlee has "too many issues". If I mention Catherine the only response I get is "is that the Asian girl?" If I mention Lindsay it's something negative "drunk" "ditz" (eye roll) "the bride?"

Many will be surprised I think.

Well, tonight will be Desiree's last episode, and I was thinking the "trailer trash" brother will be way more popular than Desiree after this episode. The asian one will have more screen time and by then I hope your friends will know her name. :shocked!:

Anyhow, I never remember any family member putting The Bachelor on the spot, like Desiree's brother did. I was cringing when the brother said "You are just a playboy!" after Sean said, "I'm crazy about your sister". Well Sean, you were crazy about Tierra, Desiree, Catherine and etc. The brother has the balls to say the things that are on many people's minds.

The one family I remember made me the most uncomfortable was during Brad1 when he took his F3 (Bevin?) home, and her father basically told him he wasn't good enough for his daughter because he didn't have a good enough education and that her ex husband was better even though she divorced him. I have never felt so bad for a lead because you could see it really upset and hurt Brad.

With regard to Desiree's brother, of all the people to call a playboy, he picks the religious, celibate guy. I also wish that families and viewers would just accept that some things said are just the standard line that the producers must have to carry on the show. The "journey", "opening up", "falling for multiple people"/"crazy about" multiple people, etc. are just part of the show...like CH's "this is the final rose" schtick. If they told the truth and said I'm not interested in you...you can go home now...there wouldn't be a show and then who would we be making fun of?

In the past, the hits on my blog seemed to have matched with fan favourites (based on things like twitter followers) and of course the drama makers... Removing the spoiled F1 (Jef, Cat, Courtney, JP...) of course!

Em's season was won by Sean by a mile over Arie.

Ashley's had more for Constantine until he left, way ahead of Ben.
This season... (removing Cat and Tierra who got hits from drama and are way on top)
1) Selma
2) Ashlee
3) Sarah
4) Lindsey
5) Lesley
6) Desiree

Another titbit, Cat is 3rd all-time views, after JEMKI and JEF, but way before Courtney (who was F1 and drama).

I think it is interesting that Lindsey is quite far considering she is spoiled F2. And Desiree, if she really is a fan favourite, well...
Ashlee is definitively getting people interested.