Episode 6 - 2/05 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

sophienette wrote:

NCGalBecca wrote:I hear ya. I just thought it was funny when people called them out on what they thought was wrong with the season and even Sean's actions, they got defensive. Especially the crazy dates - people know what channel TAR and Survivor air on if they want to watch those type of events. I also think they reflected poorly on Sean a little, too.

It's almost like the producers haven't realized that even the average viewer can see through a lot of the "packaged BS" now and aren't falling for it. It's time for new tactics and strategies.

But the viewers are falling for it... look at the numbers. Maybe not the 1% that is online and more aware of the TPTB ways, but that's not the target for the millions they want to tune in each week.

NCGalBecca wrote:

sophienette wrote:

NCGalBecca wrote:I hear ya. I just thought it was funny when people called them out on what they thought was wrong with the season and even Sean's actions, they got defensive. Especially the crazy dates - people know what channel TAR and Survivor air on if they want to watch those type of events. I also think they reflected poorly on Sean a little, too.

It's almost like the producers haven't realized that even the average viewer can see through a lot of the "packaged BS" now and aren't falling for it. It's time for new tactics and strategies.

But the viewers are falling for it... look at the numbers. Maybe not the 1% that is online and more aware of the TPTB ways, but that's not the target for the millions they want to tune in each week.

The viewership is steady and doing ok for older programming but my point more was that the people watching are: 1) either mocking it or 2)had higher hopes about the season and are just kind of wondering what's going on with Sean.

I must admit, even after knowing the typical production antics, I expected more out of Sean's season - deeper discussions on an array of topics, maybe not as intense and laser focused as AshLee is, for example, but something similar because of how he was in Emily's season and during the off season. I am not saying he should not have fun but the depth that I expected to see just isn't there so far. As stated up thread, no sense of intimacy is happening on these dates.

Maybe in-depth, earnest discussions happened but they're opting not to show them - with their slice and dice editing style. If they were doing a better job of showing what happened, then CH or Sean wouldn't have to address what really happened in blogs and interviews for so many situations.

Litta123 wrote:Throwing in my $.02...

I think Sean had a typical guy moment and panicked when he realized that Sarah saw their relationship going to the hometown date or even further. He probably knew that there were other girls "ahead" of her in his heart. I have often seen men in the Christian culture confront other men if they feel the guy is leading on a woman that he has no intention of getting serious with. It's possible that Sean felt major guilt for misleading Sarah and felt it necessary to break it off immediately.

Unfortunately, I don't think for one moment that Sean put himself in Sarah's position and thought how she could or would take this early rejection in a more hurtful way, being set apart from the other women. Like I said, I think he just panicked and needed to get out as quick as possible. I'm not excusing Sean, but I also don't think he was intentionally being cruel. IMO, he was missing his "sensitivity chip" at that moment in time.

NCGalBecca wrote:

sophienette wrote:

NCGalBecca wrote:I hear ya. I just thought it was funny when people called them out on what they thought was wrong with the season and even Sean's actions, they got defensive. Especially the crazy dates - people know what channel TAR and Survivor air on if they want to watch those type of events. I also think they reflected poorly on Sean a little, too.

It's almost like the producers haven't realized that even the average viewer can see through a lot of the "packaged BS" now and aren't falling for it. It's time for new tactics and strategies.

But the viewers are falling for it... look at the numbers. Maybe not the 1% that is online and more aware of the TPTB ways, but that's not the target for the millions they want to tune in each week.

The viewership is steady and doing ok for older programming but my point more was that the people watching are: 1) either mocking it or 2)had higher hopes about the season and are just kind of wondering what's going on with Sean.

I must admit, even after knowing the typical production antics, I expected more out of Sean's season - deeper discussions on an array of topics, maybe not as intense and laser focused as AshLee is, for example, but something similar because of how he was in Emily's season and during the off season. I am not saying he should not have fun but the depth that I expected to see just isn't there so far. As stated up thread, no sense of intimacy is happening on these dates.

Maybe in-depth, earnest discussions happened but they're opting not to show them - with their slice and dice editing style. If they were doing a better job of showing what happened, then CH or Sean wouldn't have to address what really happened in blogs and interviews for so many situations.

noobsleuth wrote:

NCGalBecca wrote:

sophienette wrote:

NCGalBecca wrote:I hear ya. I just thought it was funny when people called them out on what they thought was wrong with the season and even Sean's actions, they got defensive. Especially the crazy dates - people know what channel TAR and Survivor air on if they want to watch those type of events. I also think they reflected poorly on Sean a little, too.

It's almost like the producers haven't realized that even the average viewer can see through a lot of the "packaged BS" now and aren't falling for it. It's time for new tactics and strategies.

But the viewers are falling for it... look at the numbers. Maybe not the 1% that is online and more aware of the TPTB ways, but that's not the target for the millions they want to tune in each week.

The viewership is steady and doing ok for older programming but my point more was that the people watching are: 1) either mocking it or 2)had higher hopes about the season and are just kind of wondering what's going on with Sean.

I must admit, even after knowing the typical production antics, I expected more out of Sean's season - deeper discussions on an array of topics, maybe not as intense and laser focused as AshLee is, for example, but something similar because of how he was in Emily's season and during the off season. I am not saying he should not have fun but the depth that I expected to see just isn't there so far. As stated up thread, no sense of intimacy is happening on these dates.

Maybe in-depth, earnest discussions happened but they're opting not to show them - with their slice and dice editing style. If they were doing a better job of showing what happened, then CH or Sean wouldn't have to address what really happened in blogs and interviews for so many situations.

ITA, the dates seemed to planned as if they were afraid we'd be hearing alot of crickets this season or something. Did they think we would be bored? They even made poor Catherine wait out in a blizzard until Sean came and picked her up. It's like Bachelor: Hunger games edition - last lady standing wins. With that said, from the looks of it the FD's seem more magical and less death defying (how romantic). My hot tub count is only at 1 - what's going on here! LOL

HowSoonIsNow wrote:Sarah should have had the same benefit as Selma & Daniela of sticking around an extra 1-2 days at that Lake Louise resort on the company dime and hanging with the girls. They all know they might be cut at the RC, but being cut 2 days before entirely randomly is blindsiding.

OTOH if Sarah asked to go early, and TPTB granted her wish but wanted Sean to off her, then fair enough. As we can see from her PIs/ITMs, she is upset about her plight (guys think she's great but it never works out), not about losing Sean. If she walked, it's because she saw the writing on the wall, as I'm sure she would since she's used to this scenario happening in her life. So her emotional reaction would be the same, either way.

In a perfect world, Sean would tell Sarah early but then give her the choice to stay till the RC or go home now, but we'll never see that ever from this franchise.

Honestly, I think if Sean wanted to spare her the RC, he could have waited till the morning of the RC, and still had the explanatory conversation. Why cut her an entire 2 days prior?

Finally, isn't it part of the formula in these recent seasons that someone is cut (or leaves) midseason out of nowhere (i.e. not at a rose ceremony and not right after a date)? Ben's Casey S. Ali's Rated-R. Emily's Kalon. Ashley's Mickey. The reason for the cut or walk differs each time, but this mid-season plot-point is to be expected.

Litta123 wrote:Throwing in my $.02...

I think Sean had a typical guy moment and panicked when he realized that Sarah saw their relationship going to the hometown date or even further. He probably knew that there were other girls "ahead" of her in his heart. I have often seen men in the Christian culture confront other men if they feel the guy is leading on a woman that he has no intention of getting serious with. It's possible that Sean felt major guilt for misleading Sarah and felt it necessary to break it off immediately.

Unfortunately, I don't think for one moment that Sean put himself in Sarah's position and thought how she could or would take this early rejection in a more hurtful way, being set apart from the other women. Like I said, I think he just panicked and needed to get out as quick as possible. I'm not excusing Sean, but I also don't think he was intentionally being cruel. IMO, he was missing his "sensitivity chip" at that moment in time.

gabriele wrote:love_me, where did you hide that 'suggestions for the producers' thread? i think we really need to give them some pointers as they seem clueless as to what their audience wants.