Episode 3 - 1/21 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

sanlee088 wrote:

luvstx wrote:San,
If Catherine's cap is also on Mermaid Beach, that wouldn't prove that they were on the 3 on 1 together in St. Croix. Mermaid Beach is the resorts main beach, where the seaplane scene was taped, so I could just see them using it as a location for filming the ITMs. Could have been a date, but they'd have to close it off from guests to do it and I didn't hear that that happened from my friends who were on the island then.

I'd still love to see the caps, though.

And BTW, I did some research on their time in St. Croix the other day and put it in the speculation thread for anyone who is interested.

Thanks! I got it! I posted the two caps above. :)

luvstx wrote:

sanlee088 wrote:

luvstx wrote:San,
If Catherine's cap is also on Mermaid Beach, that wouldn't prove that they were on the 3 on 1 together in St. Croix. Mermaid Beach is the resorts main beach, where the seaplane scene was taped, so I could just see them using it as a location for filming the ITMs. Could have been a date, but they'd have to close it off from guests to do it and I didn't hear that that happened from my friends who were on the island then.

I'd still love to see the caps, though.

And BTW, I did some research on their time in St. Croix the other day and put it in the speculation thread for anyone who is interested.

Thanks! I got it! I posted the two caps above.

Thanks, San. Still working on it with my family.

First, I have to tell you that my teen daughter (who watched with me last night and said at the end, "Who the heck is Catherine? We never see her.") had one reaction when I showed her the beach pictures: "I can't believe Catherine got that far!!"

Second, it's not Mermaid Beach as I thought. My crew thinks its the Grotto Beach but the only photos we have of it are taken from a slightly closer view at dusk. My husband is SURE that the dark parts in the water are the reef that is just off the Grotto beach.

I have a picture of my family taken by a professional photographer in a similar location but would rather not display our faces on a website. San, could I send it to you and you could blur out our faces?

Still also looking to see if the beach could be at Jack or Isaac's Bay on the island.

Hotmomma wrote:San..do you remember what DES was saying in her PI?

luvstx I will be in St Croix on Monday..Can't wait..

Hotmomma wrote:San..do you remember what DES was saying in her PI?

luvstx I will be in St Croix on Monday..Can't wait..

sanlee088 wrote:

luvstx wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

sanlee088 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:Desiree is wearing a different purple swim suit during her ITM's than the one she is wearing during the game itself.

Catherine also had a teal/dark green bikini top in her ITM.

Yeah, there was some type of land form(island?) in back of one of Desiree's ITM if someone can cap it. It looked like a frankenbyte tactic.

Just checking in this morning to see what you all thought of last night....

Kasha, you are eagle eyed! I caught the change of background with Des's ITM and rewound to confirm that the swimsuit top is a different color and to review the location.

That ITM of Desiree is DEFINITELY taken on Mermaid Beach at the Buccaneer on St. Croix. If someone eventually caps that ITM, I'm sure I have a photo of the point that is behind her in the shot.

Didn't realize the same with Catherine as San suggests but I'll go back and try to find that this morning.

Certainly confirms what we already knew: that Des goes to St. Croix.

Catherine is saying she needs more time with him:
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Kashathediva wrote:Desiree is wearing a different purple swim suit during her ITM's than the one she is wearing during the game itself.

Sprite wrote:My take on the major players based on what we know from the spoilers and the show thus far:

Kacie -- Why did you come back? Did you truly not see that he had zero interest in you? If so, you really need to start learning to read social cues better. If you did it because Fliess told you this would help you get the Bette ... He lied honeychild ... see my point above.

Lesley -- Sean seems to be into her so far. 2nd in the running after Des/Tierra. The only thing that I think happens is she goes into the friend zone because in his word association game he refered to her as "a guy's girl".

AshLee -- Too serious and intense. Sean is a very nice guy and feels bad for what she has gone through, but I saw zero chemistry and I don't see much humour with her.

Sarah -- Nice gesture on his part to bring Leo for her, but again, he feels for her and likes her, but I see no real chemistry or humour. She seemed happier with the dog than she was with Sean ... which is probably why she pulls herself out and leaves.

Desiree -- Still really liking their relaxed chemistry and humour. She is second in the running as of this episode but they are already editing in doubts and insecurity to set up her downfall.

Tierra -- Crazy. Clearly he is still attracted to her as seen by their interaction in the gazebo...the giggles, the teasing, the concern and not in a hurry to leave for his date with AshLee. However, preview clearly shows that we have only seen the tip of her craziness and will unfortunately be subjected to much more before a 2x4 whacks Sean and brings him to his senses.

Lindsey -- Not doing much for me...seems really young. He is developing some interest...I think because she really only had up to go after the wedding dress. He is realising she isn't the whack job he thought she was. Seems more amused by her than anything else.

Catherine -- Really hard to believe she is F1 based on how little we have been shown of their time together, however, she is as cute as a button and she practically glows everytime she sees the man. Clearly she was really attracted to him from the start since she seems to watch him with the intensity of a laser beam. He is attracted and is always smiling and very relaxed around her ... as with Des and Lesley ... however, I'm not sure that she is standing out as much as some of the more outgoing/demanding ladies. I would love to know just how much time they actually spent together before she gets her 1:1 and where she was on his radar. He labelled her "sexy" in his word association game, but when?

Sean -- Seems really nice, kind and respectful...and funny. Much more easy going and relaxed that we could have imagined based on what we saw during Emily's season. His problem is that he really doesn't have a type so he is attracted to more women than the typical bachelor and now has to weed through them.

If anyone remembers where that name association list came from, I wonder if it could be reposted here because I would love to have another look at it now that we have a few shows under our belts and can see where and how the editing is falling into place.

luvstx wrote:

sanlee088 wrote:

luvstx wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

sanlee088 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:Desiree is wearing a different purple swim suit during her ITM's than the one she is wearing during the game itself.

Catherine also had a teal/dark green bikini top in her ITM.

Yeah, there was some type of land form(island?) in back of one of Desiree's ITM if someone can cap it. It looked like a frankenbyte tactic.

Just checking in this morning to see what you all thought of last night....

Kasha, you are eagle eyed! I caught the change of background with Des's ITM and rewound to confirm that the swimsuit top is a different color and to review the location.

That ITM of Desiree is DEFINITELY taken on Mermaid Beach at the Buccaneer on St. Croix. If someone eventually caps that ITM, I'm sure I have a photo of the point that is behind her in the shot.

Didn't realize the same with Catherine as San suggests but I'll go back and try to find that this morning.

Certainly confirms what we already knew: that Des goes to St. Croix.

Catherine is saying she needs more time with him:
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Here are some shots of the Grotto Beach at the Buccaneer on St. Croix. Hard to pick up the background in the Catherine/Des screencaps perfectly but I think it may be a match.

On a sunny day, the water in this shot would be the same color as in the screen caps:


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This shot gives you a sense of just how long Grotto Beach is (atually even longer than this) so that a lot of the matching will depend on where the girls were positioned on the beach.


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docnash14 wrote:

Sprite wrote:My take on the major players based on what we know from the spoilers and the show thus far:

Kacie -- Why did you come back? Did you truly not see that he had zero interest in you? If so, you really need to start learning to read social cues better. If you did it because Fliess told you this would help you get the Bette ... He lied honeychild ... see my point above.

Lesley -- Sean seems to be into her so far. 2nd in the running after Des/Tierra. The only thing that I think happens is she goes into the friend zone because in his word association game he refered to her as "a guy's girl".

AshLee -- Too serious and intense. Sean is a very nice guy and feels bad for what she has gone through, but I saw zero chemistry and I don't see much humour with her.

Sarah -- Nice gesture on his part to bring Leo for her, but again, he feels for her and likes her, but I see no real chemistry or humour. She seemed happier with the dog than she was with Sean ... which is probably why she pulls herself out and leaves.

Desiree -- Still really liking their relaxed chemistry and humour. She is second in the running as of this episode but they are already editing in doubts and insecurity to set up her downfall.

Tierra -- Crazy. Clearly he is still attracted to her as seen by their interaction in the gazebo...the giggles, the teasing, the concern and not in a hurry to leave for his date with AshLee. However, preview clearly shows that we have only seen the tip of her craziness and will unfortunately be subjected to much more before a 2x4 whacks Sean and brings him to his senses.

Lindsey -- Not doing much for me...seems really young. He is developing some interest...I think because she really only had up to go after the wedding dress. He is realising she isn't the whack job he thought she was. Seems more amused by her than anything else.

Catherine -- Really hard to believe she is F1 based on how little we have been shown of their time together, however, she is as cute as a button and she practically glows everytime she sees the man. Clearly she was really attracted to him from the start since she seems to watch him with the intensity of a laser beam. He is attracted and is always smiling and very relaxed around her ... as with Des and Lesley ... however, I'm not sure that she is standing out as much as some of the more outgoing/demanding ladies. I would love to know just how much time they actually spent together before she gets her 1:1 and where she was on his radar. He labelled her "sexy" in his word association game, but when?

Sean -- Seems really nice, kind and respectful...and funny. Much more easy going and relaxed that we could have imagined based on what we saw during Emily's season. His problem is that he really doesn't have a type so he is attracted to more women than the typical bachelor and now has to weed through them.

If anyone remembers where that name association list came from, I wonder if it could be reposted here because I would love to have another look at it now that we have a few shows under our belts and can see where and how the editing is falling into place.

Sprite, it was in People not in article form but one in which you have to click through each picture. Here's the link:
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Here are a few of the pertinent descriptions:
Lindsay- sweetheart
Ashlee- organized
Desiree -hilarious
Sarah- compassionate
Amanda -cheerful
Selma- hot
Tierra- surprising
Catherine- sexy

Mirzam wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

Sprite wrote:My take on the major players based on what we know from the spoilers and the show thus far:

Kacie -- Why did you come back? Did you truly not see that he had zero interest in you? If so, you really need to start learning to read social cues better. If you did it because Fliess told you this would help you get the Bette ... He lied honeychild ... see my point above.

Lesley -- Sean seems to be into her so far. 2nd in the running after Des/Tierra. The only thing that I think happens is she goes into the friend zone because in his word association game he refered to her as "a guy's girl".

AshLee -- Too serious and intense. Sean is a very nice guy and feels bad for what she has gone through, but I saw zero chemistry and I don't see much humour with her.

Sarah -- Nice gesture on his part to bring Leo for her, but again, he feels for her and likes her, but I see no real chemistry or humour. She seemed happier with the dog than she was with Sean ... which is probably why she pulls herself out and leaves.

Desiree -- Still really liking their relaxed chemistry and humour. She is second in the running as of this episode but they are already editing in doubts and insecurity to set up her downfall.

Tierra -- Crazy. Clearly he is still attracted to her as seen by their interaction in the gazebo...the giggles, the teasing, the concern and not in a hurry to leave for his date with AshLee. However, preview clearly shows that we have only seen the tip of her craziness and will unfortunately be subjected to much more before a 2x4 whacks Sean and brings him to his senses.

Lindsey -- Not doing much for me...seems really young. He is developing some interest...I think because she really only had up to go after the wedding dress. He is realising she isn't the whack job he thought she was. Seems more amused by her than anything else.

Catherine -- Really hard to believe she is F1 based on how little we have been shown of their time together, however, she is as cute as a button and she practically glows everytime she sees the man. Clearly she was really attracted to him from the start since she seems to watch him with the intensity of a laser beam. He is attracted and is always smiling and very relaxed around her ... as with Des and Lesley ... however, I'm not sure that she is standing out as much as some of the more outgoing/demanding ladies. I would love to know just how much time they actually spent together before she gets her 1:1 and where she was on his radar. He labelled her "sexy" in his word association game, but when?

Sean -- Seems really nice, kind and respectful...and funny. Much more easy going and relaxed that we could have imagined based on what we saw during Emily's season. His problem is that he really doesn't have a type so he is attracted to more women than the typical bachelor and now has to weed through them.

If anyone remembers where that name association list came from, I wonder if it could be reposted here because I would love to have another look at it now that we have a few shows under our belts and can see where and how the editing is falling into place.

Sprite, it was in People not in article form but one in which you have to click through each picture. Here's the link:
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Here are a few of the pertinent descriptions:
Lindsay- sweetheart
Ashlee- organized
Desiree -hilarious
Sarah- compassionate
Amanda -cheerful
Selma- hot
Tierra- surprising
Catherine- sexy

The "guy's girl" thing was said in CH's "five to watch" in reference to Desiree, IIRC.