Re: Bachelorette 7 Videos - Discussion - Thread #2

[Beeleever]

Well here's the kicker.... San said at the beginning of the season that JP/Ash reminded her of Ali/Roberto. I was fooled by the Roberto edit because they edited out all substantial conversations between the two and made their relationship "appear" to be superficial. JP and Ash have not been shown to have any substantial conversations either so maybe I'm fooled again. Who knows.

But Ben's edit is different than CLs in one important way in that they have shown us much more of a connection than we were ever shown with CL/Ali

Really? Funny how people see things differently because I think JP and Ash have been nothing but substantial conversations - Bentley, past relationships, how they feel about each other, struggling with the process, etc. In fact, I was glad to see the rollerskating because it was nice to see them just laughing and being goofy for once. Of course, they promptly ruined the fun with a convo about JP's broken heart and how sure he is about them as a couple. Not sure what that means for previous patterns/edits though...

It is really funny how we all see things differently. In addition to what you listed above, allykat, I saw way more of a connection with Ali/CL than I do with Ash/Ben. Reidiscool, we are on total opposite ends of the spectrum here and I think that's great. I don't mean to sound but this is what makes the world a beautiful rainbow of colors!

[ironcat]

Well here's the kicker.... San said at the beginning of the season that JP/Ash reminded her of Ali/Roberto. I was fooled by the Roberto edit because they edited out all substantial conversations between the two and made their relationship "appear" to be superficial. JP and Ash have not been shown to have any substantial conversations either so maybe I'm fooled again. Who knows.

But Ben's edit is different than CLs in one important way in that they have shown us much more of a connection than we were ever shown with CL/Ali

And yet during Ali's season, the overwhelming majority of Chris fans thought there was an intense emotional connection between him and Ali. How quickly we forget?

As someone who wasn't on the Chris train then, and is not on the Ben train now, and so perhaps can be impartial(?), I would say the connection is about equal.

[Shelby]

Well here's the kicker.... San said at the beginning of the season that JP/Ash reminded her of Ali/Roberto. I was fooled by the Roberto edit because they edited out all substantial conversations between the two and made their relationship "appear" to be superficial. JP and Ash have not been shown to have any substantial conversations either so maybe I'm fooled again. Who knows.

But Ben's edit is different than CLs in one important way in that they have shown us much more of a connection than we were ever shown with CL/Ali

And yet during Ali's season, the overwhelming majority of Chris fans thought there was an intense emotional connection between him and Ali. How quickly we forget?

As someone who wasn't on the Chris train then, and is not on the Ben train now, and so perhaps can be impartial(?), I would say the connection is about equal.

same here

I was on Shayne's train (Matt)
I was on Jason's train (deanna) ... but my heart was with Jeremy
I was on Melissa's train (jason)
I was on Ed's train (Jillian) although I have no idea why now
I was on no one's train with Jake worse evarrrrr
I was in Roberto's train (ali)
I was in Chantal's train (brad)
I am in JP's train (ashley)


so not such a bad record overall. But with Chantal, it was more an emotional attachment and was not objective whatsoever. LOL

[albean99]

I don't think you can be impartial if you're a fan of the other guy. :awesome:

I agree with what Reidiscool is saying about them trying to match up Ben to Chris L. I'm not sure why though. The difference was that no matter what people say now, Roberto wasn't nearly as obvious as JP is. They had chemistry but Ali also had a lot going on with Frank and so much happened at the HTD and FD to distract from Roberto. I remember that even though I was a huge Chris L fan that I wasn't sure if Ali picked anyone because she seemed extremely broken up by Frank leaving.

This season Bentley was over earlier so why make JP so obvious and why not make Ben more likely to the viewers? I've been thinking it's the dark horse edit however Reidiscool could be right that the doubt is by editing Ben like Chris L. Food for thought anyway. :Nod:

[bilolo]

Well here's the kicker.... San said at the beginning of the season that JP/Ash reminded her of Ali/Roberto. I was fooled by the Roberto edit because they edited out all substantial conversations between the two and made their relationship "appear" to be superficial. JP and Ash have not been shown to have any substantial conversations either so maybe I'm fooled again. Who knows.

But Ben's edit is different than CLs in one important way in that they have shown us much more of a connection than we were ever shown with CL/Ali

And yet during Ali's season, the overwhelming majority of Chris fans thought there was an intense emotional connection between him and Ali. How quickly we forget?

As someone who wasn't on the Chris train then, and is not on the Ben train now, and so perhaps can be impartial(?), I would say the connection is about equal.

same here

I was on Shayne's train (Matt)
I was on Jason's train (deanna) ... but my heart was with Jeremy
I was on Melissa's train (jason)
I was on Ed's train (Jillian) although I have no idea why now
I was on no one's train with Jake worse evarrrrr
I was in Roberto's train (ali)
I was in Chantal's train (brad)
I am in JP's train (ashley)


so not such a bad record overall. But with Chantal, it was more an emotional attachment and was not objective whatsoever. LOL

i started to watch in Jilian's season and since then i got it correct :D

[Reidiscool]

Well here's the kicker.... San said at the beginning of the season that JP/Ash reminded her of Ali/Roberto. I was fooled by the Roberto edit because they edited out all substantial conversations between the two and made their relationship "appear" to be superficial. JP and Ash have not been shown to have any substantial conversations either so maybe I'm fooled again. Who knows.

But Ben's edit is different than CLs in one important way in that they have shown us much more of a connection than we were ever shown with CL/Ali

Really? Funny how people see things differently because I think JP and Ash have been nothing but substantial conversations - Bentley, past relationships, how they feel about each other, struggling with the process, etc. In fact, I was glad to see the rollerskating because it was nice to see them just laughing and being goofy for once. Of course, they promptly ruined the fun with a convo about JP's broken heart and how sure he is about them as a couple. Not sure what that means for previous patterns/edits though...

Maybe that's it. All they seem to talk about is his past relationship, how he was hurt before, how can he be sure is feelings are real...all negative stuff which just leaves me with a gloom of foreshadowing. Bentley as a topic of conversation is another interesting thing for me. JP's first date was the day Bentley left and it was short by his own admission. Ash looked emotionally drained and had obviously been crying all day. JPs PI said something along the lines of "I'll touch on Bentley leaving, but then it's our night or something along those lines. The next Bentley conversation was her big declaration to him in HK, his reaction was strange to me and he just seemed relieved that Bent was out of the picture, and not too concerned that Ash had actually really fallen for this guy. Kind of like, one down, 6 to go, until I win this thing. Admittedly Ash gave him lot's of reassurance that it was important that she finished this thing with Bentley in order for Ashley to move forward with JP and we were left with not uncertain impression that it was only JP she wanted to move forward with. The fact that they showed this conversation and nothing of Ben's is a red flag to me. I know something significant happened in HK with Ash and Ben on the night of the RC. His voiceovers that were shown in their one-one time from the HK boat group date actually happened on the night of the HK rose ceremony as he's dressed in his RC suit/tie. These were very powerful statements on Ben's behalf :"My feelings for Ashley are stronger than they've ever been. I'm on the path to Love, Who would have thunk it, the biggest skeptic of all, this guy, the biggest skeptic of all. And "The walls are down and if that means I get crushed in the end that's part of it. At the same time if I end up with a girl that I love then that would be a dream come true" . Something big happened for Ben that night but we weren't shown what prompted these strong statements.

[Pattycake92]

I also see similar connections beteen Ali/Chris and Ash/Ben. Both fun and silly always having a great time. Ali/Ash just have more passion for Roberto/JP. I think Ash and JP are more interesting and have had their connection shown more than Ali and Roberto. It seemed like Roberto's personality wasn't shown a lot like JPs has been. They wanted Chris as the bachelor so badly and I think that is why he was featured so much. They've kinda ignored Ben especially at the beginning probably because they have had their eye on Ryan as the bachelor from the get go.

[albean99]

Well here's the kicker.... San said at the beginning of the season that JP/Ash reminded her of Ali/Roberto. I was fooled by the Roberto edit because they edited out all substantial conversations between the two and made their relationship "appear" to be superficial. JP and Ash have not been shown to have any substantial conversations either so maybe I'm fooled again. Who knows.

But Ben's edit is different than CLs in one important way in that they have shown us much more of a connection than we were ever shown with CL/Ali

Really? Funny how people see things differently because I think JP and Ash have been nothing but substantial conversations - Bentley, past relationships, how they feel about each other, struggling with the process, etc. In fact, I was glad to see the rollerskating because it was nice to see them just laughing and being goofy for once. Of course, they promptly ruined the fun with a convo about JP's broken heart and how sure he is about them as a couple. Not sure what that means for previous patterns/edits though...

Maybe that's it. All they seem to talk about is his past relationship, how he was hurt before, how can he be sure is feelings are real...all negative stuff which just leaves me with a gloom of foreshadowing. Bentley as a topic of conversation is another interesting thing for me. JP's first date was the day Bentley left and it was short by his own admission. Ash looked emotionally drained and had obviously been crying all day. JPs PI said something along the lines of "I'll touch on Bentley leaving, but then it's our night or something along those lines. The next Bentley conversation was her big declaration to him in HK, his reaction was strange to me and he just seemed relieved that Bent was out of the picture, and not too concerned that Ash had actually really fallen for this guy. Kind of like, one down, 6 to go, until I win this thing. Admittedly Ash gave him lot's of reassurance that it was important that she finished this thing with Bentley in order for Ashley to move forward with JP and we were left with not uncertain impression that it was only JP she wanted to move forward with. The fact that they showed this conversation and nothing of Ben's is a red flag to me. I know something significant happened in HK with Ash and Ben on the night of the RC. His voiceovers that were shown in their one-one time from the HK boat group date actually happened on the night of the HK rose ceremony as he's dressed in his RC suit/tie. These were very powerful statements on Ben's behalf :"My feelings for Ashley are stronger than they've ever been. I'm on the path to Love, Who would have thunk it, the biggest skeptic of all, this guy, the biggest skeptic of all. And "The walls are down and if that means I get crushed in the end that's part of it. At the same time if I end up with a girl that I love then that would be a dream come true" . Something big happened for Ben that night but we weren't shown what prompted these strong statements.

You're really on the ball today and it's keeping my from my chores. That's something I hadn't thought about. We knew that Ben got a chance to talk to Ashley but we weren't shown it. What did we miss? Would it have taken away from the impression that JP was the one she was worried most about?

[Reidiscool]

Well here's the kicker.... San said at the beginning of the season that JP/Ash reminded her of Ali/Roberto. I was fooled by the Roberto edit because they edited out all substantial conversations between the two and made their relationship "appear" to be superficial. JP and Ash have not been shown to have any substantial conversations either so maybe I'm fooled again. Who knows.

But Ben's edit is different than CLs in one important way in that they have shown us much more of a connection than we were ever shown with CL/Ali

And yet during Ali's season, the overwhelming majority of Chris fans thought there was an intense emotional connection between him and Ali. How quickly we forget?

As someone who wasn't on the Chris train then, and is not on the Ben train now, and so perhaps can be impartial(?), I would say the connection is about equal.

Kinda like last year's season with Chantal??? Remember???

[Reality Mary]

I don't think you can be impartial if you're a fan of the other guy. :awesome:

I agree with what Reidiscool is saying about them trying to match up Ben to Chris L. I'm not sure why though. The difference was that no matter what people say now, Roberto wasn't nearly as obvious as JP is. They had chemistry but Ali also had a lot going on with Frank and so much happened at the HTD and FD to distract from Roberto. I remember that even though I was a huge Chris L fan that I wasn't sure if Ali picked anyone because she seemed extremely broken up by Frank leaving.

This season Bentley was over earlier so why make JP so obvious and why not make Ben more likely to the viewers? I've been thinking it's the dark horse edit however Reidiscool could be right that the doubt is by editing Ben like Chris L. Food for thought anyway. :Nod:

I don't think they made JP so obvious this season, I think JP made himself obvious. He lights up the room, smiling with that silly grin on his face like a fifth grader with his first crush. What could they do with him because every time Ash was near him he looked like a love struck kid? He was just giddy and I don't think Roberto and Chris L had that exact reaction, they liked Ali but they didn't express it so openly. JMO

[mnmhughes]

I don't think you can be impartial if you're a fan of the other guy. :awesome:

I agree with what Reidiscool is saying about them trying to match up Ben to Chris L. I'm not sure why though. The difference was that no matter what people say now, Roberto wasn't nearly as obvious as JP is. They had chemistry but Ali also had a lot going on with Frank and so much happened at the HTD and FD to distract from Roberto. I remember that even though I was a huge Chris L fan that I wasn't sure if Ali picked anyone because she seemed extremely broken up by Frank leaving.

This season Bentley was over earlier so why make JP so obvious and why not make Ben more likely to the viewers? I've been thinking it's the dark horse edit however Reidiscool could be right that the doubt is by editing Ben like Chris L. Food for thought anyway. :Nod:

I don't think they made JP so obvious this season, I think JP made himself obvious. He lights up the room, smiling with that silly grin on his face like a fifth grader with his first crush. What could they do with him because every time Ash was near him he looked like a love struck kid? He was just giddy and I don't think Roberto and Chris L had that exact reaction, they liked Ali but they didn't express it so openly. JMO

HAHA! Good point! He has no poker face. :P

[Beeleever]

I don't think you can be impartial if you're a fan of the other guy. :awesome:

I agree with what Reidiscool is saying about them trying to match up Ben to Chris L. I'm not sure why though. The difference was that no matter what people say now, Roberto wasn't nearly as obvious as JP is. They had chemistry but Ali also had a lot going on with Frank and so much happened at the HTD and FD to distract from Roberto. I remember that even though I was a huge Chris L fan that I wasn't sure if Ali picked anyone because she seemed extremely broken up by Frank leaving.

This season Bentley was over earlier so why make JP so obvious and why not make Ben more likely to the viewers? I've been thinking it's the dark horse edit however Reidiscool could be right that the doubt is by editing Ben like Chris L. Food for thought anyway. :Nod:

I don't think they made JP so obvious this season, I think JP made himself obvious. He lights up the room, smiling with that silly grin on his face like a fifth grader with his first crush. What could they do with him because every time Ash was near him he looked like a love struck kid? He was just giddy and I don't think Roberto and Chris L had that exact reaction, they liked Ali but they didn't express it so openly. JMO

Great post Reality Mary. Unless they cut the guy out of the show totally, there was no hiding he was "smitten"! :awesome:

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