Episode 3 - 6/6 - Discussion - Spoilers

Gina wrote:I don't really care who is F1 of the top 3 guys. However, if JP didn't date alot over 8 years, I'd be more concerned he had mental problems, anger issues or batted for the other team. Totally normal to date, most guys in that age bracket do. Better to date and break it up then fake it and tell multiple women I love you and be a douchebag.

He tried the long relationsip for 2 1/2 years, and for WHATEVER reasons, they were not meant to be. Better than faking an engagement, and breaking it.

just my 2 cents on it and I'm in that late 20's age group and have male friends and so does my wonderful b/f. You can't love everyone you casually date, so you move on, if it's not a match. No big deal.

They left his comments in to reinforce the insecurities of Ashley..it fits their script.

Just catching up on this thread from this morning but the bold EXACTLY it, Gina!

The thing with these little "red flags" is that they're only clear in hindsight. Once we know who Ash ends up with and how this relationship goes post-show, then we'll know what, if anything, this comment meant.

Right now though, it just fits into the script IMO. After having her heart broken, she needs to take a risk on JP to see if it works. Once we finally meet Ben, she's also going to have to do X (coax him out of his shell or whatever) in order for their relationship to work. Whichever obstacle she can overcome, becomes her F1. What happens post-show is going to be up to the couple.

happy2bme wrote:I still can't believe that Ashley said in her PI right before her date with JP, that she doesn't know now if this process will work for her and if she would be able to find love and that there may not be enough time. To me, that meant that Bently was the frontrunner. I am shaking my head over this. What did I miss? He did not even have a 1 on 1 date with her.

Yes... and she isn't even half way through yet either. If she fell for Bentley so fast, why is it "hopeless" to find someone better with more time? :greenman:

BachFanInOrl wrote:

happy2bme wrote:I still can't believe that Ashley said in her PI right before her date with JP, that she doesn't know now if this process will work for her and if she would be able to find love and that there may not be enough time. To me, that meant that Bently was the frontrunner. I am shaking my head over this. What did I miss? He did not even have a 1 on 1 date with her.

Yes... and she isn't even half way through yet either. If she fell for Bentley so fast, why is it "hopeless" to find someone better with more time? :greenman:

Halfway? More like 1/7 of the way. According to the timeline we have, the 3rd RC took place only 8 days after the M&G, and the show still had almost 50 days of shooting left, so there was plenty of time to get over Bentley (especially considering that despite what she said, she was just infatuated with Bentley; I don't buy for a second that she really fell in love in a week with a guy who was only playing her). Of course, the producers are bringing him back in a few weeks, but hopefully, this will actually HELP Ashley get over him, not hinder her.

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northernviewer wrote:Why does JP's conversation with Ashley have to be negative? both F1 and F2 have a conflict of sorts to overcome. Roberto - perfect guy and usually unattainable type for Allie but they chose each other and are happy to this day. Emily's story was one of doubt about whether or not she could love again. The story arc for both the F1 and F2 can have a positive or negative edge to it.... but we don't know for sure what it'll be until we know who the lead chooses in the end. Same with JP's....his past is either going to be why it won't work OR it'll be one of them taking a chance on love, a leap of faith and finally falling in love. Only time will reveal the answer for us.

who said it was negative?? Personally, for me, I'd be cautiousl of someone who serial dates especially after having my heart broken a couple hours earlier.

I’m a viewer, just like everyone else, and we all interpret what we see differently. I watch the show for edits/red flags in helping me determine who they’re trying to tell us is F1. Others watch for a love story. Many folks saw Ash/JPs date as the beginning of their love story (and maybe it is). I looked at it as information gathering, looking for information that may make him F1 through editing – I’m not looking for information to support him being F1 – I hope that makes sense. I guess the best way to describe is that I’m watching as if I don’t know who F1 is and am trying to put the puzzle pieces (edit) together to support the outcome.

Anders you have said it perfectly...

It's everybody's board, and everyone gets to do what he/she wants to do :awesome: , but if you are interested in sleuthing out the F1, you can't start jumping on a train right off the bat - JP because he is so hot, has such a great smililing face, and he had the date after that disasterous event called Bentley - you have to be objective, and try and look at everything. JP might well be the F1, but you can't let the fact that you want him to be and you like him that much, let alone he is the type guy you yourself would date influence the sluething. You have to be as objective as possible. Otherwise, you just throw the objectivity out the window and enjoy your choice for what it is. That is ok, too. There is something for everybody. :geek:

Please keep in mind that I watched the first 3 episodes unspoiled and if you look at the unspoiled thread you can see what my thoughts were as I watched each episode. There was nothing that I saw that pointed to Ben being in the F4, never mind being F1! I know that as a boardie for many years, and somebody who is familiar with the edit and how Fleiss works, I'm probably not really your average viewer (I probably notice more as I look for PI's, quality time with lead etc) but there was absolutely nothing that made Ben a person of interest IMO. Also, what I've perceived over the seasons is that the F1 usually has a steady story line, from night one right down the LCD but the F2 usually has an arced storyline that peaks around 1/1 and seams to be hot and heavy but really isn't. I know we're only on week 3, but as of this week I see JP as the only one of the F4 that is getting the "steady" storyline with Ashley.

eta - JP wasn't my favorite Ryan P is, I also like West, (not sure why though )

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causingchaos wrote:I've ended a few relationships because I just didn't see a future there. Person was nice enough but I wasn't feeling it anymore. I found it to be more cruel to string these people along and act like it was ok instead of just ending something that wasn't really work.

So I guess what I'm hearing here is that JP shouldn't have ended the relationship? He should have just stuck it out even though there was nothing there?

We are missing the point here. We have to look at what is happening in the edit. It is not about all of our (the viewers') personal relationships and what we should or should not do!

Ashley, according to the edit we are shown, is literally crushed and heart-broken on this date with JP. Now that is the edit that we are given. Here is this guy who is supposedly re-assuring her, and he tells her that he ended a 2 and 1/2 year relationship because he wasn't feeling it. Then he tells her people have to take risks, and the whole implication is that this crushed, heart-broken girl should take a risk with him who broke off his longest relationship because he wasn't feeling it.

Doesn't anybody else see the irony here?

Okay, oh great middle school teacher...cut to the chase! What do you see as the irony here? Please tell... :awesome:

In the edit, he appears to be re-assuring to this crushed, heart-broken girl, but he is telling her that he broke the heart of the girl of his longest relationship. He then tells her that you have to take risks and implies that she should take one with him.

BTW, I don't imply I was a "great" Middle Schoole teacher - only a dedicated, caring, loving one.

Thanks Bloomers! BTW...I work in education and relationships are key. Studies show that if kids feel listened to, honored and respected they are more engaged in the classroom. Therefore, being dedicated, caring and loving is exactly what makes you a great teacher.

Could Ryan have more to do with the finale than we are giving him credit for right now............somehow, his return might sway the ending in one way or another??

Coastal wrote:Could Ryan have more to do with the finale than we are giving him credit for right now............somehow, his return might sway the ending in one way or another??

This is interesting to ponder, Coastal. It is confusing to me why Ashley sends Ryan home. Is she influenced by what the other guys are saying about him? Did she realize he feels more strongly for her than she does for him?

And why does Ryan come back? Was it Ryan or producer driven? Did Ash ask for Ryan to come back realizing she made a mistake?

It's possible Ryan's return can sway the ending, but like Chris told Ashley, if Bentley was that into her he wouldn't be going home. If Ash was that into Ryan, would she have sent him home? It's just not making sense to me. :greenman:

Today I read (I've read so much...sorry I don't remember where--one of the rags I think, so it may not be true) that it was totally Ashley who brought Bentley to Hong Kong and that TPTB do what the lead wants in matters like this. So did she also ask for Ryan to be brought back? Actually, I don't think I believe either senario. TPTB wanted them back would be my guess.

I guess I don't understand how it can be said JP is the only one on the radar. William fell a little from grace this week but he had a 1:1 date that went super!! Her date with Mickey went well too and I can't remember without going back and watching but she had some pretty nice things to say about him. Ryan seems to be standing out amongst the rest too. Bentley took up quite a bit of time but for the casual viewer I would say it could be a toss up between any of the 4 mentioned here.

Ben could certainly still be F1. It's so hard to speculate on that right now since we have literally not seen any quality time between him and Ashley. This is going way back but Season 2 or 3... (Andrew Firestone's season) Jen Schefft was F1 and she was almost nonexistent until right before HTD. There's so much time left.. I hope we get more SC's than the measly ones we had last year

Babycakee wrote:I guess I don't understand how it can be said JP is the only one on the radar. William fell a little from grace this week but he had a 1:1 date that went super!! Her date with Mickey went well too and I can't remember without going back and watching but she had some pretty nice things to say about him. Ryan seems to be standing out amongst the rest too. Bentley took up quite a bit of time but for the casual viewer I would say it could be a toss up between any of the 4 mentioned here.

Ben could certainly still be F1. It's so hard to speculate on that right now since we have literally not seen any quality time between him and Ashley. This is going way back but Season 2 or 3... (Andrew Firestone's season) Jen Schefft was F1 and she was almost nonexistent until right before HTD. There's so much time left.. I hope we get more SC's than the measly ones we had last year

I can't speak for anybody else, but for me when talking about the final 4 guys of JP, Ben, Constantine and Ames..... JP is the only guy that is noteworthy at this point.

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Coastal wrote:Could Ryan have more to do with the finale than we are giving him credit for right now............somehow, his return might sway the ending in one way or another??

This is interesting to ponder, Coastal. It is confusing to me why Ashley sends Ryan home. Is she influenced by what the other guys are saying about him? Did she realize he feels more strongly for her than she does for him?

And why does Ryan come back? Was it Ryan or producer driven? Did Ash ask for Ryan to come back realizing she made a mistake?

It's possible Ryan's return can sway the ending, but like Chris told Ashley, if Bentley was that into her he wouldn't be going home. If Ash was that into Ryan, would she have sent him home? It's just not making sense to me. :greenman:

yea, I don't know myself..........I keep trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle, but one is really missing, and for some reason..........call it a gutt feeling/or just a feeling that things aren't adding up............but I really feel that Ryan's departure/return are for a major reason and not just to satisfy someone's whim??

northernviewer wrote:

Babycakee wrote:I guess I don't understand how it can be said JP is the only one on the radar. William fell a little from grace this week but he had a 1:1 date that went super!! Her date with Mickey went well too and I can't remember without going back and watching but she had some pretty nice things to say about him. Ryan seems to be standing out amongst the rest too. Bentley took up quite a bit of time but for the casual viewer I would say it could be a toss up between any of the 4 mentioned here.

Ben could certainly still be F1. It's so hard to speculate on that right now since we have literally not seen any quality time between him and Ashley. This is going way back but Season 2 or 3... (Andrew Firestone's season) Jen Schefft was F1 and she was almost nonexistent until right before HTD. There's so much time left.. I hope we get more SC's than the measly ones we had last year

I can't speak for anybody else, but for me when talking about the final 4 guys of JP, Ben, Constantine and Ames..... JP is the only guy that is noteworthy at this point.

Yep, I know what you're saying. You're talking from a spoiler viewer point... I was just trying to look at it from a casual "nonspoiled" viewers point. And I assumed, and shouldn't have, that you thought JP was F1. Seems we were just on different pages