Episode 3 - 6/6 - Discussion - Spoilers

With Bentley leaving, I wonder who got his 1/1 date next week.... Ames or Constantine?? cause you know that he would have been a shoo-in for one :vomit:

northernviewer wrote:With Bentley leaving, I wonder who got his 1/1 date next week.... Ames or Constantine?? cause you know that he would have been a shoo-in for one :vomit:

I wondered that too. If in Ashley's mind he were her F1 I would think TP would be pushing for a date in Ep3, but the dates were already given out before she knew Bentley was leaving. Some might say that TP knew what he was about and wanted to leave so they didn't schedule a date for him in the usual f1 3rd ep date. TPTB can't tell Ash what this dude is saying because it would interfere with the show, but now all of a sudden they have a conscience and don't want to schedule a date with Bent because they know he's leaving. Sounds like a plan to me.

Max64 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:With Bentley leaving, I wonder who got his 1/1 date next week.... Ames or Constantine?? cause you know that he would have been a shoo-in for one :vomit:

I wondered that too. If in Ashley's mind he were her F1 I would think TP would be pushing for a date in Ep3, but the dates were already given out before she knew Bentley was leaving. Some might say that TP knew what he was about and wanted to leave so they didn't schedule a date for him in the usual f1 3rd ep date. TPTB can't tell Ash what this dude is saying because it would interfere with the show, but now all of a sudden they have a conscience and don't want to schedule a date with Bent because they know he's leaving. Sounds like a plan to me.

I think she may have wanted to save some of her favorite guys for the overseas dates, as they tend to me more exotic and romantic when you're in foreign countries. Just a thought.

beader wrote:Today I read (I've read so much...sorry I don't remember where--one of the rags I think, so it may not be true) that it was totally Ashley who brought Bentley to Hong Kong and that TPTB do what the lead wants in matters like this. So did she also ask for Ryan to be brought back? Actually, I don't think I believe either senario. TPTB wanted them back would be my guess.

I personally believe contestants coming back are totally producer induced. Even Ed's return

Alexxxx wrote:Great convo going on this morning. The point about figuring out why something is left in the edit is crucial to understanding what we're watching. It was pointed out elsewhere that Ashley and JP ordered in chinese food and she actually fell asleep in his arms on their date, but that was cut out of the edit. And yet, they left in the part about his dating history. There's a reason they make the choices they do in the editing bay.

IA ..Its in there for a reason. Maybe Ben's comment to JP after he got the "home" date may mean something too. Didn't he quip that Ash may just send him home? The Cupcake conversation springs to mind too.

Something that disturbed me a little last night was that Ash took off her make up and glad rags and put on her pjs and glasses. That stuff is great when you truely know someone to relax etc but I thought it a little odd that she wasn't trying to impress him or flirt with him, like she was when baby talking with Bentley. That look was a bit of a passion killer! Then to top it all she falls asleep. Surely you would want to use every moment available to get to know someone. That signals to me that she's super comfortable with jp but I'm not so sure she wants to "attract" him.

Reidiscool wrote:

Alexxxx wrote:Great convo going on this morning. The point about figuring out why something is left in the edit is crucial to understanding what we're watching. It was pointed out elsewhere that Ashley and JP ordered in chinese food and she actually fell asleep in his arms on their date, but that was cut out of the edit. And yet, they left in the part about his dating history. There's a reason they make the choices they do in the editing bay.

IA ..Its in there for a reason. Maybe Ben's comment to JP after he got the "home" date may mean something too. Didn't he quip that Ash may just send him home? The Cupcake conversation springs to mind too.

Something that disturbed me a little last night was that Ash took off her make up and glad rags and put on her pjs and glasses. That stuff is great when you truely know someone to relax etc but I thought it a little odd that she wasn't trying to impress him or flirt with him, like she was when baby talking with Bentley. That look was a bit of a passion killer! Then to top it all she falls asleep. Surely you would want to use every moment available to get to know someone. That signals to me that she's super comfortable with jp but I'm not so sure she wants to "attract" him.

I fell asleep on the shoulder of a first date with a much beloved ex. After that first date, I knew he was something special that I felt comfortable and safe enough to be vulnerable and perhaps even drool a little bit on him. I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing. I think it's probably exactly what Ashley needed since she was feeling so emotional raw and exhausted from the day.

The falling asleep is why I dont think she will choose JP

Reidiscool wrote:

Alexxxx wrote:Great convo going on this morning. The point about figuring out why something is left in the edit is crucial to understanding what we're watching. It was pointed out elsewhere that Ashley and JP ordered in chinese food and she actually fell asleep in his arms on their date, but that was cut out of the edit. And yet, they left in the part about his dating history. There's a reason they make the choices they do in the editing bay.

IA ..Its in there for a reason. Maybe Ben's comment to JP after he got the "home" date may mean something too. Didn't he quip that Ash may just send him home? The Cupcake conversation springs to mind too.

Something that disturbed me a little last night was that Ash took off her make up and glad rags and put on her pjs and glasses. That stuff is great when you truely know someone to relax etc but I thought it a little odd that she wasn't trying to impress him or flirt with him, like she was when baby talking with Bentley. That look was a bit of a passion killer! Then to top it all she falls asleep. Surely you would want to use every moment available to get to know someone. That signals to me that she's super comfortable with jp but I'm not so sure she wants to "attract" him.

That date had Ali/ChrisL flu date written all over it to me. It was all about what JP could do for Ashley, how he could comfort her, satisfy her needs. That's great -- those are qualities she needs in "the one" and JP rose to the occasion beautifully, but going forward she needs to give to JP also. They still have time, but the next time they're together I'll be looking for passion coming from Ashley towards JP. It's tricky because Ali/ChrisL were edited to look like their relationship was completely two-way, but after the fact Ali came forward and said it more 'just friends'. I'm not sure it will be obvious to viewers what the real relationship is between Ashley and JP, particularly if Ben F's time continues to be non-existent in the edit.

These editors know what they're doing.

Alexxxx wrote:

That date had Ali/ChrisL flu date written all over it to me. It was all about what JP could do for Ashley, how he could comfort her, satisfy her needs. That's great -- those are qualities she needs in "the one" and JP rose to the occasion beautifully, but going forward she needs to give to JP also. They still have time, but the next time they're together I'll be looking for passion coming from Ashley towards JP. It's tricky because Ali/ChrisL were edited to look like their relationship was completely two-way, but after the fact Ali came forward and said it more 'just friends'. I'm not sure it will be obvious to viewers what the real relationship is between Ashley and JP, particularly if Ben F's time continues to be non-existent in the edit.

These editors know what they're doing.

But weren't we just talking about that the problem was that he wasn't making her comfortable because of the whole breaking up with women? So doesn't that put her on edge or at least isn't it the suggestion that she'll be on edge with him?

In any case, IA that we need to see the lead pine over her F1 and it has to be a mutual thing.

northernviewer wrote:With Bentley leaving, I wonder who got his 1/1 date next week.... Ames or Constantine?? cause you know that he would have been a shoo-in for one :vomit:

If Bentley hadn't left,we know he would have gotten a rose. Would that have sent William home or someone else?

Alexxxx wrote:

Reidiscool wrote:

Alexxxx wrote:Great convo going on this morning. The point about figuring out why something is left in the edit is crucial to understanding what we're watching. It was pointed out elsewhere that Ashley and JP ordered in chinese food and she actually fell asleep in his arms on their date, but that was cut out of the edit. And yet, they left in the part about his dating history. There's a reason they make the choices they do in the editing bay.

IA ..Its in there for a reason. Maybe Ben's comment to JP after he got the "home" date may mean something too. Didn't he quip that Ash may just send him home? The Cupcake conversation springs to mind too.

Something that disturbed me a little last night was that Ash took off her make up and glad rags and put on her pjs and glasses. That stuff is great when you truely know someone to relax etc but I thought it a little odd that she wasn't trying to impress him or flirt with him, like she was when baby talking with Bentley. That look was a bit of a passion killer! Then to top it all she falls asleep. Surely you would want to use every moment available to get to know someone. That signals to me that she's super comfortable with jp but I'm not so sure she wants to "attract" him.

That date had Ali/ChrisL flu date written all over it to me. It was all about what JP could do for Ashley, how he could comfort her, satisfy her needs. That's great -- those are qualities she needs in "the one" and JP rose to the occasion beautifully, but going forward she needs to give to JP also. They still have time, but the next time they're together I'll be looking for passion coming from Ashley towards JP. It's tricky because Ali/ChrisL were edited to look like their relationship was completely two-way, but after the fact Ali came forward and said it more 'just friends'. I'm not sure it will be obvious to viewers what the real relationship is between Ashley and JP, particularly if Ben F's time continues to be non-existent in the edit.

These editors know what they're doing.

I understand what you are saying about their date, it could really go either way, depending on how you look at it. Ashley said hanging out at home is her favorite date, and she thanked JP for letting her be herself. .."this is me" . But the one thing that I guess trumps the casualness of their date is Ashley's comment "JP over Bentely in the kiss department". She also makes the comment in ep 2 about wanting to kiss JP, so she must think of him more than just a friend.

Sorry, but I can't imagine not being on my very best appearance and performance with a new guy I was hot for, even if I was feeling sad. I'd rise to the occasion. I almost fainted when she came out in jammies and her glasses (since she usually wears contacs). It's just not sexy. After several dates sure, but first date? Bizarre. I love Ash though and hope it works for her.