Episode 3 - 6/6 - Discussion - Spoilers

anders wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

anders wrote:

northernviewer wrote:When Ashley asked who ended it (sounds like she was talking about all of his relationships, from the 2 1/2 yr one to the few months relationships) he said "mostly me - there was always just something missing, like "it" was always missing" Ashley said "if you were always breaking up with girls, how do I know that you're not going to break up with me?" he said "well, that's a wonderful question" and she says "I guess you never really know"...... and that's when he says "you don't, you know you take a leap of faith and you get hurt - but time heals all you just move on and things get put into perspective and eventually you meet an amazing girl and things change" she says "cheers to that"

All I get from that conversation was that he just hasn't met the right girl yet. Seems like the normal reason that most guys and girls aren't married yet. If he was in a 2 1/2 yr relationship, that seems to indicate that he can commit, but if you're not feeling forever with them, then breaking up before a marriage and children are involved is the wise, adult thing to do. No red flags from me about his past. He seems like a wonderful man, just hadn't met the right girl, up until now, that is

what's being lost here, and that Bloomers has pointed out, is not about why/how/where the relationship ended - only that that portion of their several hour date included that little piece of information. Why include that out of everything they discussed - is it foreshadowing of something - we'll find out.

I agree that there's a reason it was included... but it very well could have been included to forshadow how you never really now how a relationship will turn out but if you take a chance, it can be worth it if it's the right person. Remember, Bentley had just left because he didn't want to take a chance (well that's what Ashley would have thought at the time) and JP is talking about how you have to move on and then just maybe the right person will come along and things change. Also, that portion of their conversation was Ashley asking about how she could be sure that he wouldn't break up with her too - so that can be indicative of either them breaking up later OR taking a chance and it working out. It's definitely food for thought, but IMO not an indication that JP will walk away from her later.

See - all I heard is that JP doesn't do long-term relationships - he prefers 2-3 month flings and then moves on. I like to call him Mr. Date and Dash. He did have one 2.5 relationship (which I assume was recent??) that he ended because he wasnt' feeling it (again, not about what he actually said). I also wonder if Ash asked if he'd ever been in love and he replied and they dropped that on the editing floor - maybe that response was far too telling - I don't know for sure, just something that stuck in my craw.

reason wrote:Ben F, Ames and Constantine as per RS has not have any dates yet so we still dont see the story yet. They always in the past have a heartwarming story from their past to over come the only person I saw in the intro with that was Ben F his father recently die and he has admitted that he has close him self off and he wants what his mother/father had until his sudden death. In the past also the final 1 always talk to the camera after their 1 on 1 time with the lead and JP did not talk at all but Ben did, just like Roberto did. I am not saying ben win but I am not ruling it out either, as Ashley said the unexpected did happen. 7 Bachelorette and 15 Bachelors I have watch them all so this thought is something I pick up along the way.

northernviewer wrote:

anders wrote:

northernviewer wrote:

anders wrote:

northernviewer wrote:When Ashley asked who ended it (sounds like she was talking about all of his relationships, from the 2 1/2 yr one to the few months relationships) he said "mostly me - there was always just something missing, like "it" was always missing" Ashley said "if you were always breaking up with girls, how do I know that you're not going to break up with me?" he said "well, that's a wonderful question" and she says "I guess you never really know"...... and that's when he says "you don't, you know you take a leap of faith and you get hurt - but time heals all you just move on and things get put into perspective and eventually you meet an amazing girl and things change" she says "cheers to that"

All I get from that conversation was that he just hasn't met the right girl yet. Seems like the normal reason that most guys and girls aren't married yet. If he was in a 2 1/2 yr relationship, that seems to indicate that he can commit, but if you're not feeling forever with them, then breaking up before a marriage and children are involved is the wise, adult thing to do. No red flags from me about his past. He seems like a wonderful man, just hadn't met the right girl, up until now, that is

what's being lost here, and that Bloomers has pointed out, is not about why/how/where the relationship ended - only that that portion of their several hour date included that little piece of information. Why include that out of everything they discussed - is it foreshadowing of something - we'll find out.

I agree that there's a reason it was included... but it very well could have been included to forshadow how you never really now how a relationship will turn out but if you take a chance, it can be worth it if it's the right person. Remember, Bentley had just left because he didn't want to take a chance (well that's what Ashley would have thought at the time) and JP is talking about how you have to move on and then just maybe the right person will come along and things change. Also, that portion of their conversation was Ashley asking about how she could be sure that he wouldn't break up with her too - so that can be indicative of either them breaking up later OR taking a chance and it working out. It's definitely food for thought, but IMO not an indication that JP will walk away from her later.

See - all I heard is that JP doesn't do long-term relationships - he prefers 2-3 month flings and then moves on. I like to call him Mr. Date and Dash. He did have one 2.5 relationship (which I assume was recent??) that he ended because he wasnt' feeling it (again, not about what he actually said). I also wonder if Ash asked if he'd ever been in love and he replied and they dropped that on the editing floor - maybe that response was far too telling - I don't know for sure, just something that stuck in my craw.

Yes, his long term relationship was recent. He said he had short relationships until he was 30, then a 2 1/2 yr one (he's now 33) and now the show. Isn't that typical of many who are looking for Mr or Mrs Right? At 30 he decided he wanted to "settle down" ... he dated a girl for 2 1/2 yrs, that didn't work out and now is on the Bach'ette? Would a broken marriage look better on his resume? I think anybody that goes on the show in the first place should throw up a few red flags, but JP doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary IMO

nutty1 wrote:So Bloomers, your point here is to not really dissect what or why JP said what he did, but why TPTB chose to leave that part in. Correct?

LibbyBell wrote:Bloomers, I do see the point that you are trying to make but, I don't see it quite that way. I think that TPTB left in that conversation 1) to show that their conversations were personal and not just fluff and 2) to show that there is a cycle to relationships, right up to the point that you find "the one". I also think that it was meant to show JP reassuring Ash-- "everything will be ok" He also asked her to take a risk with him; which is what all teads and their F1 eventually have to do-- take that leap.

nutty1 wrote:So Bloomers, your point here is to not really dissect what or why JP said what he did, but why TPTB chose to leave that part in. Correct?

connorsmom wrote: The bolded is how I heard it, as well -- saying "it wasn't there" is very different from "he didn't care." (Sorry for the rhyming. LOL)

LibbyBell wrote:Bloomers, I do see the point that you are trying to make but, I don't see it quite that way. I think that TPTB left in that conversation 1) to show that their conversations were personal and not just fluff and 2) to show that there is a cycle to relationships, right up to the point that you find "the one". I also think that it was meant to show JP reassuring Ash-- "everything will be ok" He also asked her to take a risk with him; which is what all teads and their F1 eventually have to do-- take that leap.

Bloomers wrote:

LibbyBell wrote:Bloomers, I do see the point that you are trying to make but, I don't see it quite that way. I think that TPTB left in that conversation 1) to show that their conversations were personal and not just fluff and 2) to show that there is a cycle to relationships, right up to the point that you find "the one". I also think that it was meant to show JP reassuring Ash-- "everything will be ok" He also asked her to take a risk with him; which is what all teads and their F1 eventually have to do-- take that leap.

That is the main gist, but look under the surface. What else are they trying to tell us? If you believe that things are left in the edit for a reason, then you have to do something with JP's dating history as he gives it. First, you have to ask why it was included since it doesn't look very good - a 34 year-old man who has had a series of short relationships except for one fairly substantial relationship that he ended.
Next, you have to ask what is its intended future impact?
Knowing now what we know about the edit, it is extremely difficult to convincingly say. "Nothing."