Bachelor 26 - Clayton Echard - Mar 8 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I liked every one of your posts!! I totally agree.

I get why Susie was upset with him and yes she should have known he might have slept with all the others but wtf did she need to tell Clayton before hand? Do we honestly think that had she that meant he wouldn't have slept with them? Yeah right he would have cause he is a guy and needs to "satisfy his needs." And telling all of them he loves all of them but might love Susie more, come on can't he see that's probably the main reason why she was upset! Dude like what a jerk. Gabby and Rachel better rake him over the coals when he tells them too!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] That part where he admits that he slept with someone else...liar since he slept with both, but let's not get technical...and admits to telling them that he loves them, but he loves her more .  WTH was he thinking? Like she should be greatful that he picked her after that declaration? Seriously how dumb is this guy? I can't even.

Bachhh022 wrote:If we went after madi, I think Susie should get the same heat tbh… like not saying to go dm her hate or anything but why is Susie held to a different standard? She knew what this show was.

Clayton totally overreacted but that doesn’t mean Susie was correct. She was spiraling over something she could have prevented or at least told Clayton her expectations. In real life, susies expectations would have been totally okay, but in the premise of the show I don’t get how she’s any different that madi or Luke p other than being more careful with her words.

Most of my sympathy goes to gabby and Rachel, I can’t imagine how they are feeling hearing Clayton basically feed them both the same lines, I hope they ream him out at ATFR

IMO Susie had genuine feelings for Clayton, and was viewing him as a prospective husband. He did come off as a good guy until the moment he turned on her.

As for Madi, there was not any way that Peter "had sex four times in a windmill" Weber was ever going to be her ideal of a "Christian leader in the home" (her words to describe what she was looking for in a husband.) Not even close. And Luke had a smell of smug self-righteousness about him that was never present in Susie. She never told Clayton what he couldn't do - just what she personally couldn't live with.

Yeah, it might have been more productive for her to have drawn that boundary ahead of time. But in the end, I think that Susie felt that if he was the kind of guy who would do that, he was not for her anyway.

What was the huge fight between Gabi and Clayton about

Nick Vial got creamed from here to eternity for confronting Andi for having sex in the FS. Luke was hated over and over again for his views on sex in the FS. Who the heck did he think he was telling Hannah who to have sex with. Kaitlyn had sex multiple times and she got a ton of support for being sexual and doing what she wanted. What makes this so different?

This apparently was a deal breaker for Susie. That means she can't get over it, and she left. She should have told Clayton how she felt before FS, and Clayton as the lead then decides if he agrees with her or lets her go. He's the lead. He does what he wants, right or wrong.

If she comes back only to turn him down at proposal time, to me that's a show of revenge, which to me is a horrible way of treating someone. Like him or not, and I haven't most of the season, but that would be an act of manipulation that if it was the ette being turned down by someone who returns all hell would break loose.

I think this whole season was the worse manipulation by TPTB which Clayton realized a little too late.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] couldn’t agree more with all you have said. There’s a double standard here. Thanks for detailing all of the past situations

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] you took the words right out of my mouth. THe producers knew that for Susie it was a deal breaker, she got the last FS, they scripted that perfectly well and played Clayton from start to finish. Susie was not in love with Clayton. Clear as day. And Clayton is very bad at communicating his feelings. THey do not go together at all. Never saw the connection between them. Did Susie got played into coming back to the FRC knowing perfectly well she would turn him down on national TV and maybe taught it would be her stepping stone to be the next Bachelorette. I don't know. What a mess.

IMO there can't be a happy ending for this season. I don't know what Fleiss et al were thinking. We're not going to get any romance in the next two episodes and the only good ending is that Clayton walks away alone. I feel bad for Rachel and Gabby but can't help but feel that Susie was never planning on going to the FS or being with Clayton in the end. I'd rather she had owned up to not feeling the same and walking away. It seems like a Bachelorette audition but not sure how that will work if she does come back and turns Clayton down. This is just such a mess.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] agree that it doesn’t seem like Susie would be set up well to be the bachelorette if she refuses his proposal. Think RS has again been fed bad info. If anyone comes back, it will be Rachel IMO. but not sure anybody will come back.

luvstx wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  agree that it doesn’t seem like Susie would be set up well to be the bachelorette if she refuses his proposal. Think RS has again been fed bad info.  If anyone comes back, it will be Rachel IMO. but not sure anybody will come back.

Hope you're right, luv. What is Jesse offering him..."could change everything" - Wouldn't that be Susie's still here and wants to work it out?
Then, their love story should be shown from the get...they've dropped this on us last minute- feels like whiplash.

Every woman wants to feel cherished by the man/woman she loves. Clayton did not make Susie feel special, even though he tried with his words. Remember Clayton - actions speak louder than words! I put ALL responsibility on the production team for this mess - they got in Susie's head (all those ITMs - really?) and then told Clayton - hey, you said ILY to 2 of the final 3. Why not make it a hat trick? So then we see the little scene before Clayton leaves for his date with Susie - gotta tell her, too, cause I like her the most. UGH.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] “could change everything” could be anything…

And don’t forget that the ATFR will be live, so they can’t really predict anything until it happens