Bachelor 25 - Matt James - F1 - F4 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

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I can't go into details because of who told me.. but you have to trust me. I know with 101% certainty that Rachael won.

Thanks for sharing your info.

Ramblinrose30 wrote:

luvnunity wrote:How do we know that that Rachael’s even around past this conversation of her in red dress on the couch.  In one of Matt’s interviews, he says “If it didn’t work out, it’s because that woman couldn’t see it with me.”  The jury is still out for me.  I’m just not convinced he actually chose her.  It could that tptb set this all up knowing we would forgive them if they delivered us a real love story in the end. This thing with Rachael could’ve been just so the conversation could be put on the table. He spoke highly of Victoria in interviews until she was officially off the show.  How do we know he’s not doing the same with Rachael?  But in all of this, it’s definitely working because everyone is talking about it and want to see Wth he’s gonna do. We don’t want to watch, but we will.  The timing for the leaks are so suspish.  As soon as Matt is shown to say he’s falling in love, we get the most egregious receipts yet.  RS posts that Michelle is let go early, then we see a spliced in clip of Michelle in tears in this weeks episode.

I can't go into details because of who told me.. but you have to trust me. I know with 101% certainty that Rachael won.

It’s a moot point now, but I can’t help but wonder if there would have been a different outcome had Michelle been there night one.

I think if he had wanted Michelle or anyone else -- he would have picked them. JMO.

luvnunity wrote:How do we know that that Rachael’s even around past this conversation of her in red dress on the couch.  In one of Matt’s interviews, he says “If it didn’t work out, it’s because that woman couldn’t see it with me.”  The jury is still out for me.  I’m just not convinced he actually chose her.  It could that tptb set this all up knowing we would forgive them if they delivered us a real love story in the end. This thing with Rachael could’ve been just so the conversation could be put on the table. He spoke highly of Victoria in interviews until she was officially off the show.  How do we know he’s not doing the same with Rachael?  But in all of this, it’s definitely working because everyone is talking about it and want to see Wth he’s gonna do. We don’t want to watch, but we will.  The timing for the leaks are so suspish.  As soon as Matt is shown to say he’s falling in love, we get the most egregious receipts yet.  RS posts that Michelle is let go early, then we see a spliced in clip of Michelle in tears in this weeks episode.

Re the bolded: As I understand it this info about the plantation ball was dug up by people on the Reddit Bach POC forum, so I don’t think there is any coordination happening with the show. If it had been released by the media first I could see that being a possibility but that isn’t the case in this instance. It’s unbelievable to me  the show would purposely cast a racist during 2020 but it appears they may have done so. jmo

Eta: I just wanted to add that because Rachael was recruited to be on the show TPTB would have seen the many posts of hers that she later deleted from her SM accounts. They knew exactly who she was when they cast her.

suzq wrote:I think if he had wanted Michelle or anyone else -- he would have picked them.  JMO.

Exactly!  Michelle is definitely a worthy marriage partner and since Matt is not ready for marriage he will not choose her as F1.  Assuming he chooses Rachael, Rachael is young, impressionable and in "bubble love".  She has a questionable past that will be a major hurdle for them as a bi-racial couple and he can be non-committal with her. The Media and SM will be sure to make it difficult for them as a couple so I don't think they will be a long lasting couple.  JMO.

I see this differently. I think TPTB wanted Matt to pick Rachael before the season started, either because they wanted to shore up support from their white, conservative viewers or because they knew about Rachael’s history (her original Twitter account likely hadn’t been deleted when she applied to be on the show, IG posts hadn’t yet been deleted) and they knew that Matt picking her would ultimately cause drama and the ability of the network to make a statement by having Matt reject her. I think Michelle wasn’t brought in until later because it put the Matt-Rachael storyboard at risk.  Matt loves and admires female athletes and the energy/spark between Matt and Michelle is joyous.  I think they thought that Rachael might need a little bit of a head start.  I guess when I analyze the show it doesn’t matter as much to me what I think the lead wants (although for the record I think Matt very much wants to be engaged out of this experience, but he doesn’t have all of the tools and experience to successfully get there) as what the show wants. All IMO

Rachael was not recruited. She was unknowingly nominated. The comment she made about “when they reached out to me” was referring to not knowing she was nominated and being surprised when TPTB called her about the show. Also, the formal is actually called the Rose Ball and does not take place at a plantation, but at Georgia College’s campus in their garden. Any and all potential racist implication have been prohibited since 2016. The ball is essentially just any other formal.

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:Rachael was not recruited. She was unknowingly nominated. The comment she made about “when they reached out to me” was referring to not knowing she was nominated and being surprised when TPTB called her about the show. Also, the formal is actually called the Rose Ball and does not take place at a plantation, but at Georgia College’s campus in their garden. Any and all potential racist implication have been prohibited since 2016. The ball is essentially just any other formal.

I am glad Georgia College took this stance. If it is just a formal, why did they wear those outfits? Going by Rachael’s IG pictures, she and her friends do not wear those types of dresses in that picture. There is no proof but whoever shared the photo stated the men were in plantation outfits as well. Does this mean they violated the college’s rule?

sportsgirl94 wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:Rachael was not recruited. She was unknowingly nominated. The comment she made about “when they reached out to me” was referring to not knowing she was nominated and being surprised when TPTB called her about the show. Also, the formal is actually called the Rose Ball and does not take place at a plantation, but at Georgia College’s campus in their garden. Any and all potential racist implication have been prohibited since 2016. The ball is essentially just any other formal.

I am glad Georgia College took this stance.  If it is just a formal, why did they wear those outfits?  Going by Rachael’s IG pictures, she and her friends do not wear those types of dresses in that picture.  There is no proof but whoever shared the photo stated the men were in plantation outfits as well.  Does this mean they violated the college’s rule?

No, they didn’t violate any of the college’s rules as it is held on their campus and that is the required dress attire. The theme of the formal is Rose Ball, it takes place in a garden on campus, and the formal attire is supposed to be representative of the men celebrating their “Rose” (aka: sweetheart).

sportsgirl94 wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:Rachael was not recruited. She was unknowingly nominated. The comment she made about “when they reached out to me” was referring to not knowing she was nominated and being surprised when TPTB called her about the show. Also, the formal is actually called the Rose Ball and does not take place at a plantation, but at Georgia College’s campus in their garden. Any and all potential racist implication have been prohibited since 2016. The ball is essentially just any other formal.

I am glad Georgia College took this stance.  If it is just a formal, why did they wear those outfits?  Going by Rachael’s IG pictures, she and her friends do not wear those types of dresses in that picture.  There is no proof but whoever shared the photo stated the men were in plantation outfits as well.  Does this mean they violated the college’s rule?

There is another post from 2019 that Rachael liked and commented under where you see the man dressed as a Planter. It’s been said that colleges banned these formals so they would either board up the house as to cover the fact that this “Formal” was taking place or they were held off campus.

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:Rachael was not recruited. She was unknowingly nominated. The comment she made about “when they reached out to me” was referring to not knowing she was nominated and being surprised when TPTB called her about the show. Also, the formal is actually called the Rose Ball and does not take place at a plantation, but at Georgia College’s campus in their garden. Any and all potential racist implication have been prohibited since 2016. The ball is essentially just any other formal.

Who sponsors this formal? The campus? Greek life? A particular sorority or fraternity?

I didn't see any POC in the photo of the group of women dressed in their finery. Do POC give it a hard pass, and if so, why? Or was this just a picture of Racheal's friend group?

Amethyst wrote:

Lennoxcolinrolland wrote:Rachael was not recruited. She was unknowingly nominated. The comment she made about “when they reached out to me” was referring to not knowing she was nominated and being surprised when TPTB called her about the show. Also, the formal is actually called the Rose Ball and does not take place at a plantation, but at Georgia College’s campus in their garden. Any and all potential racist implication have been prohibited since 2016. The ball is essentially just any other formal.

Who sponsors this formal? The campus? Greek life? A particular sorority or fraternity?

I didn't see any POC in the photo of the group of women dressed in their finery. Do POC give it a hard pass, and if so, why? Or was this just a picture of Racheal's friend group?

I’m not 100% sure. It’s apparently a common formal in a lot of colleges though.