Bachelorette Ukraine - Season 1 - Ksenia Mishina - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Ep 2 done.   @Natik could you kindly give some context to Artem and Sergey's fight?  Nothing too detailed, but I have no idea what it was about.  Funny how the group date came down to those two.  You couldn't script that if you tried  

I liked Evgeny's date because it was simple - the others tried too hard to shoehorn lots of activity into theirs.  I think Evgeny is a man who doesn't need to impress, what you see is what you get.  I hope he goes far, but he could be a little sedate for Ksenia imo.

I felt sorry for Igor, he seems a sweetheart.  That was not a nice thing that Nazar did but really none of that could have been done without production's help.  

Sasha gets the last rose/special treatment again.  The chemistry between them already is palpable.  Can't wait for their date.

Ksenia is so impressive.  She is interested in all the guys and she is up for anything, even the adventure dates.  I love that in a Bette.

Agent99 wrote:Ep 2 done.   @Natik could you kindly give some context to Artem and Sergey's fight?  Nothing too detailed, but I have no idea what it was about.  Funny how the group date came down to those two.  You couldn't script that if you tried  

I liked Evgeny's date because it was simple - the others tried too hard to shoehorn lots of activity into theirs.  I think Evgeny is a man who doesn't need to impress, what you see is what you get.  I hope he goes far, but he could be a little sedate for Ksenia imo.

I felt sorry for Igor, he seems a sweetheart.  That was not a nice thing that Nazar did but really none of that could have been done without production's help.  

Sasha gets the last rose/special treatment again.  The chemistry between them already is palpable.  Can't wait for their date.

Ksenia is so impressive.  She is interested in all the guys and she is up for anything, even the adventure dates.  I love that in a Bette.

It started with Nazar and Andrej (not the read head). Vladimir asked the guys what he missed (he was away for a day because of work, he could not cancel that appointment and the producers made an exception for him). Nazar started to tell him about the date ideas and Andrej wanted to support his dialogue. Nazar didn't liked it and was super aggressive. He said for Andrej to stop interrupting him. Andrej was confused because he didn't understood what his problem is because nothing bad happens. And at that point Artem felt like he needs to support his buddy Nazar. They both started to be provocative and wanted clearly trouble. Sergej wanted for them to calm down and said "shhhh" like they should be quiet. In that moment Artem stood up went to Sergej and said that no one can forbid him to say something and no one can dictate him when he should be quiet. Sergej said something like...why, what would you do?, beat me?...And Artem didn't hesitated to long and beat Sergej.

I think that competition was really a coincidence. Because the one group, the bad boys, competed for real whereas the other group decided to walk the barriers but complete the competition as a group and let Ksenia decide who is going to compete in the finale. Ksenia didn't like the idea. She said that it is not fair to put the pressure on her. So the guys decided for Sergej to compete agains Artem in the finale.

Regarding Nasar yes agree. Without the help of the producers that hijacking thing would not have been possible but I think it was probably his idea he talked to the producers and they let him because it makes for a good TV.

Thankyou @natik! That explains a lot. I couldn't work out why one group didn't try as hard - makes sense now.

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I still haven't seen the second episode, but fortunately I am on vacation next week so I can catch up. Can't wait.

@Sprite Good news! Enjoy!

@natik my friend you have a lot of explaining to do for this episode. My spidey senses were all over the place, kinda like this episode from the beginning. I have lots of questions

@Idlemess Shoot them all out. I am here to explain everything. It was an amazing episode. We discussed in the Russian community after the episode the whole night through especially the date with Ksenia and Sasha. There was so much substance, rawness, real feelings and beauty in it.

Okay here goes!

From the get go, I knew it will be intense because... Artem!!! Lol.
Since the dates are from the guys ideas, were Artem and Andrew the same? What were they discussing?
On the boat, Andrew too charge much to Artem’s chagrin (I laughed at how petulant Artem acted. Tough guy acted like a spoiled little boy. ) This date was troubling. What was Ksenia reaction to Artem’s behaviour? I saw her flinching and I yelled at the video for her to get rid of him. This was entirely unbecoming but I guessed important to recognize because what Artem displayed was classic anger issues and then laying on the charm to mask his dark side. What was that all about? Btw, I laughed at how ridiculous Artem appeared in temperament and in form... he was freezing his bum off.
Plus, I think Andrew is a bit smooth. Is lime green his thing?

I thought the horse riding date was a good idea. Cathartic for Ksenia? She has a fear of horses? Was there an incident in her past on set? What did they talk about?
Plus, I don’t know, but I can’t get into this car guy (Sorry I couldn’t recall his name) he reminds me of a meme {like his head is on someone else’s body} maybe it’s just me. But I felt it was a very good date. AND he was patient it seems. Is he calculating?

Lol, poor Eugene. Was he thinking the guy on the bike was another contestant? What was that about, cuz he came around pretty fast when they found out he is Ksenia friend. WHY was he there? To talk to the guys and give Sasha dance lessons?

Was Sasha date set up or did he planned it himself? Just thought the whole thing was interesting as in kinda skeptical (not that I mind, but it made me think of the scenario differently for now)!
I like this guy so much because he comes across as fun but not clownish and so smart.
Tell me all about what they talked about?
PLUS, I smiled when she gave him the rose, BUT am I thinking too much about that moment? LIKE he really took the rose if you know what I mean . I thought she wanted him to take charge and KISS her. What was that all about? There was a lot in that date.

Pool time and later the guys performed. What was the idea?
Konstantin and Sergei were let go, why?
Guess they are keeping Nasar for drama.

What was the preview? Acting out a scene that went too far? Was new info found on the guys? Ilya?

AND, I’ve been watching the guys and Andrej is the only one with tattoo sleeves, so he’s the one popping her bikini top. So he goes far. What did he say at the rose ceremony?

Idlemess wrote:Okay here goes!

From the get go, I knew it will be intense because... Artem!!! Lol.
Since the dates are from the guys ideas, were Artem and Andrew the same? What were they discussing?
On the boat, Andrew too charge much to Artem’s chagrin (I laughed at how petulant Artem acted. Tough guy acted like a spoiled little boy. ) This date was troubling. What was Ksenia reaction to Artem’s behaviour? I saw her flinching and I yelled at the video for her to get rid of him. This was entirely unbecoming but I guessed important to recognize because what Artem displayed was classic anger issues and then laying on the charm to mask his dark side. What was that all about? Btw, I laughed at how ridiculous Artem appeared in temperament and in form... he was freezing his bum off.
Plus, I think Andrew is a bit smooth. Is lime green his thing?

Ok I am gonna answer your questions step by step.

This episode the motto was hobbies. So the guys were presenting via a card their hobbies and described the date. All of this of course as usual anonymous. For example Aleksej (the car guy) likes horse ridding that is why his date was all about that. Artem and Andrej (the read head) had the same idea. And that is sailing. So that is the reason why the went both to the date with Ksenia. Sasha did something unexpected. Instead of presenting one of his hobbies which he wants to share on a date with Ksenia, he wrote down in his presentation that he wants to share not his hobby but Ksenia`s. And as we know Ksenia likes to dance he decided to step out of his comfort zone (he is a bad dancer) and learn a dance. So those presentations were chosen this time by Ksenia.

Regarding the situation with Artem, well he was not ready to shared that date with Andrej. He didn't liked the whole idea to share her on a date with another. So his mood was right from the start aggressive. He was not in the right set of mind. Everything about the date was getting on his nerves. And of course especially Andrej. He is someone who is not willing to make compromises. It is either his way or not at all. On the boat he tried to talk Ksenia into hijacking her and leave Andrej alone on the boat. But Ksenia said she doesn't want it. It happened with Nazar and Ihor and after the clarification about the situation she said she that she felt guilt and that is not a nice thing to do. She suggested for Artem to speak with Andrej and when Andrej is ok with it than she would leave with Artem. But Andrej wasn't ok with the idea. So they arrived at the romantic spot and Artem didn't wanted to accept Andrej`s decision. He asked him for a talk again. They were discussing until Ksenia walked to them. She said she is starting to get mad because the situation was clear that they are going to have a date all together. That was kinda the last straw for Artem and he lashed out. Ksenia said that she was shocked regarding his behavior. For her it was not acceptable but to understand what is going on with Artem she asked him to speak one on one. Artem said to her that he thinks that nothing bad happened that it is a normal for a real man to act like that when he has to share a woman with another. Ksenia said that it is scaring her because who knows what is gonna happen behind close doors when they are together and he is going to lash out
because of something. Plus she has a kid and she don't want for her kid to have such an example at home. They talked and Ksenia decided to go alone for a walk, to collect her thoughts, to calm down and to decide what to do next. In her ITM she told that she had in her life experience with violence. She told how the father of her son was drunk and suddenly appeared in her life four years after she left him. She said he pulled her by her hair and pushed the stars down.

She came back to the waiting guys and thank Andrej that he tried to stay positive and to find a way to avoid conflicts. She gave him a rose. After that she said to Artem that she will not accept physical or psychical abuse in her life. There is no place for aggression in her life. She remembered him how he swore to her that something like what happened in the last episode with Sergej will never happen again. She said he broke his word and that he is not trustworthy anymore in her eyes.
She said that she doesn't have a rose for him and that he is going to leave the project today.

Regarding Andrej. I honestly don't like him either. He is too into your face. There is too much of him. I am asking myself if he is serious interested in Ksenia or in the way he can present himself in her eyes. At times I am getting the feeling that he is too full of himself.

Well thank goodness Ksenia followed through with Artem and kicked him off the show. I would not have been happy if she had kept him. It would not have been a good look on her, but tptb in the US version have often made the lead keep people who have done stuff they don't like.