Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

River57 wrote:If we are all really concerned about bullying Chris Harrison and producers should apologize to Peter and Madison. What happened on the final in my view was bullying. Even Hannah Ann has a right to give her views. But Peter was set up by manipulation to fail. He had pressure from his mother and producers to go against his best choice. The choice his gut told him to make. However being an unprofessional counselor his decision making and boundaries have been broken down by an unhealthy family dynamic.  That episode was very very sad to view.  Producers should have stopped his mother and I wish Peter and Madi would have walked out.  That was a not fun traumatic event.  I hope Peter is in immediate counseling and Madi too.  I hope Peter’s family will also get his mother some professional help.  Such a very sad situation.  It will take years to heal from. I do not know any of the people involved and I was traumatized.  I grew up in a conservative Christian home and I understand Madi even though I hope she can keep faith and expand her world view.  But that was trauma, evil trauma and they all have my prayers for healing.  And the bachelor producers a message from me: riveting TV is not always right.  Please don’t give a segment on bullying and then but allow your lead yo be put in such a bad situation.  This will fundamentally change Peter and I hope in the best ways.

cheriee wrote:

River57 wrote:If we are all really concerned about bullying Chris Harrison and producers should apologize to Peter and Madison. What happened on the final in my view was bullying. Even Hannah Ann has a right to give her views. But Peter was set up by manipulation to fail. He had pressure from his mother and producers to go against his best choice. The choice his gut told him to make. However being an unprofessional counselor his decision making and boundaries have been broken down by an unhealthy family dynamic.  That episode was very very sad to view.  Producers should have stopped his mother and I wish Peter and Madi would have walked out.  That was a not fun traumatic event.  I hope Peter is in immediate counseling and Madi too.  I hope Peter’s family will also get his mother some professional help.  Such a very sad situation.  It will take years to heal from. I do not know any of the people involved and I was traumatized.  I grew up in a conservative Christian home and I understand Madi even though I hope she can keep faith and expand her world view.  But that was trauma, evil trauma and they all have my prayers for healing.  And the bachelor producers a message from me: riveting TV is not always right.  Please don’t give a segment on bullying and then but allow your lead yo be put in such a bad situation.  This will fundamentally change Peter and I hope in the best ways.

I agree with you and I think it's been harmful that Barb's behavior has been minimized by many who don't seem to understand how emotional manipulation is abusive. This wasn't just Barb being an overly concerned parent, this was a pattern of behavior that has probably been going on for Peter's entire life and it involves a misuse of power in a relationship. I do consider what Barb has engaged in, both on stage and online, as a form of bullying. Barb sought to control and harm others who were already in a vulnerable position. Barb sought to isolate Peter from his friends and family and from the woman he loves, repeatedly. And all of it was intentional and done with zero empathy or care. I think it really needs to be known that what Barb did isn't normal or acceptable. I hope somehow the Weber family seek the help they need. All JMO.

iamreal2u wrote:

atem wrote:The article also explains to me that Madi and Peter didn't meet until then.  So, it doesn't look like they were dating before the show and starting from fresh.  

This is quote from this article:
https://www.glamour.com/story/the-bachelor-after-the-final-rose-chris-harrison-barb-peter-weber

Right, but I think Madison felt so ambushed. I saw her tense up and freeze up. I bet if you asked Madison about it today, she wouldn’t be able to remember one thing that was said. It was a blur. Yeah, she could have diffused it, Barb could have diffused it, I tried to diffuse it...three times, in fact! But the fact is, that moment wasn’t on Madison. She didn’t make them wait three hours. She and Peter were having a conversation, and that’s something that needed to take place. Barb and Peter Sr. flew across the world, but maybe Barb needs consider who this is about. Maybe it’s not about her. Maybe this is about her son and not about her Instagram followers or her DMs. I think that may have gotten lost a little bit.

The bolded had me

brightmi wrote:I have to thank so many of you who write such caring and insightful posts as to what the viewing audience observed on Tuesday night at the ATFR and in this past season....let's hope Madison and Peter are having some time together to heal and move on from this difficult and sad experience.  Some thoughts:

1. I re-watched the visit Peter made to the Prewitt family...how warm and inviting her family was that night.  I was especially struck by what her Mom said after Madison's Dad finished praying...."I believe the two of you both have greatness in your future"...."to new beginnings".  Maybe this thoughtful toast is one that Peter and Madison can think about in the days and weeks ahead.

2. Again from the visit to the Prewitt home....I think her father could be a positive presence in Peter's life if he is interested in growing in his faith journey.  Whether they end up dating or decide to be friends Mr. Prewitt appears to be a class act and strong spiritual mentor.  

3. It's telling that Peter's friend posted such a kind comment referring to Madison as being such a "light" in the baby shower photo.....she obviously feels that Madison has special qualities that reflect onto others in a positive way.  

4. I agree with so many of you that there is a very good reason that Madison unfollowed CH.  IMO that is a healthy step …."to new beginnings".

5. My wish is that we will see Peter and Madison on the upcoming mission trip this spring....whether together as friends or dating...their positive qualities will shine through as they work to touch the lives of others in such a special way!

6. There is a great song that I listen to called "Blessings"....lately I have been thinking about it as it relates to their experience on the bachelor...."what if the trials of this life are your mercies in disguise".....painful experiences only make us grow!

Spread joy in the world everyone...all just my opinion!

brightmi wrote:I have to thank so many of you who write such caring and insightful posts as to what the viewing audience observed on Tuesday night at the ATFR and in this past season....let's hope Madison and Peter are having some time together to heal and move on from this difficult and sad experience.  Some thoughts:

1. I re-watched the visit Peter made to the Prewitt family...how warm and inviting her family was that night.  I was especially struck by what her Mom said after Madison's Dad finished praying...."I believe the two of you both have greatness in your future"...."to new beginnings".  Maybe this thoughtful toast is one that Peter and Madison can think about in the days and weeks ahead.

2. Again from the visit to the Prewitt home....I think her father could be a positive presence in Peter's life if he is interested in growing in his faith journey.  Whether they end up dating or decide to be friends Mr. Prewitt appears to be a class act and strong spiritual mentor.  

3. It's telling that Peter's friend posted such a kind comment referring to Madison as being such a "light" in the baby shower photo.....she obviously feels that Madison has special qualities that reflect onto others in a positive way.  

4. I agree with so many of you that there is a very good reason that Madison unfollowed CH.  IMO that is a healthy step …."to new beginnings".

5. My wish is that we will see Peter and Madison on the upcoming mission trip this spring....whether together as friends or dating...their positive qualities will shine through as they work to touch the lives of others in such a special way!

6. There is a great song that I listen to called "Blessings"....lately I have been thinking about it as it relates to their experience on the bachelor...."what if the trials of this life are your mercies in disguise".....painful experiences only make us grow!

Spread joy in the world everyone...all just my opinion!

cheriee wrote:

brightmi wrote:I have to thank so many of you who write such caring and insightful posts as to what the viewing audience observed on Tuesday night at the ATFR and in this past season....let's hope Madison and Peter are having some time together to heal and move on from this difficult and sad experience.  Some thoughts:

1. I re-watched the visit Peter made to the Prewitt family...how warm and inviting her family was that night.  I was especially struck by what her Mom said after Madison's Dad finished praying...."I believe the two of you both have greatness in your future"...."to new beginnings".  Maybe this thoughtful toast is one that Peter and Madison can think about in the days and weeks ahead.

2. Again from the visit to the Prewitt home....I think her father could be a positive presence in Peter's life if he is interested in growing in his faith journey.  Whether they end up dating or decide to be friends Mr. Prewitt appears to be a class act and strong spiritual mentor.  

3. It's telling that Peter's friend posted such a kind comment referring to Madison as being such a "light" in the baby shower photo.....she obviously feels that Madison has special qualities that reflect onto others in a positive way.  

4. I agree with so many of you that there is a very good reason that Madison unfollowed CH.  IMO that is a healthy step …."to new beginnings".

5. My wish is that we will see Peter and Madison on the upcoming mission trip this spring....whether together as friends or dating...their positive qualities will shine through as they work to touch the lives of others in such a special way!

6. There is a great song that I listen to called "Blessings"....lately I have been thinking about it as it relates to their experience on the bachelor...."what if the trials of this life are your mercies in disguise".....painful experiences only make us grow!

Spread joy in the world everyone...all just my opinion!

I absolutely agree with you @brightmi, thank you for your post. I think I said before we knew the outcome of this season that I truly felt like there was an authentic love and care for one another between Madi and Peter that extended beyond even a romantic relationship. I felt that if they could, they'd be bestfriends. Even if they don't end up together I hope somehow Peter is able to spend some time with Madi's father. I agree that he could be a very strong presence in Peter's life and someone who might become an example for him when Peter's probably at one the most important junctures of his life.  

I also hope that Peter and Madi, either as friends or as partners, go on that mission trip this Spring. It would be a very meaningful way to use all of the negativity they've had to endure to have a greater purpose. That Peter's friend who runs the charity thinks so highly of Madi shows us that there are people in Peter's life who are there for them and can see the positives.

Every single experience in our lives can be used as impetus for growth. Madi and Peter clearly love each other, and their time together, even if it doesn't end in a marriage, can be a source of growth and meaning. There is a reason Peter fell in love with Madi, and I think on some deeper level Peter is drawn to the life and future Madi represents. I noticed before that although there are many differences, I think there is quite a lot of common ground between them that might not be apparent on the surface.

Peter did exactly what his parents wanted, got engaged to who they thought was the perfect girl for him, and he still wasn't happy. Even if Madi and Peter don't work out, I hope they use this whole experience to become the people they're meant to become.

All JMO.

Astrobach wrote:

cheriee wrote:

brightmi wrote:I have to thank so many of you who write such caring and insightful posts as to what the viewing audience observed on Tuesday night at the ATFR and in this past season....let's hope Madison and Peter are having some time together to heal and move on from this difficult and sad experience.  Some thoughts:

1. I re-watched the visit Peter made to the Prewitt family...how warm and inviting her family was that night.  I was especially struck by what her Mom said after Madison's Dad finished praying...."I believe the two of you both have greatness in your future"...."to new beginnings".  Maybe this thoughtful toast is one that Peter and Madison can think about in the days and weeks ahead.

2. Again from the visit to the Prewitt home....I think her father could be a positive presence in Peter's life if he is interested in growing in his faith journey.  Whether they end up dating or decide to be friends Mr. Prewitt appears to be a class act and strong spiritual mentor.  

3. It's telling that Peter's friend posted such a kind comment referring to Madison as being such a "light" in the baby shower photo.....she obviously feels that Madison has special qualities that reflect onto others in a positive way.  

4. I agree with so many of you that there is a very good reason that Madison unfollowed CH.  IMO that is a healthy step …."to new beginnings".

5. My wish is that we will see Peter and Madison on the upcoming mission trip this spring....whether together as friends or dating...their positive qualities will shine through as they work to touch the lives of others in such a special way!

6. There is a great song that I listen to called "Blessings"....lately I have been thinking about it as it relates to their experience on the bachelor...."what if the trials of this life are your mercies in disguise".....painful experiences only make us grow!

Spread joy in the world everyone...all just my opinion!

I absolutely agree with you @brightmi, thank you for your post. I think I said before we knew the outcome of this season that I truly felt like there was an authentic love and care for one another between Madi and Peter that extended beyond even a romantic relationship. I felt that if they could, they'd be bestfriends. Even if they don't end up together I hope somehow Peter is able to spend some time with Madi's father. I agree that he could be a very strong presence in Peter's life and someone who might become an example for him when Peter's probably at one the most important junctures of his life.  

I also hope that Peter and Madi, either as friends or as partners, go on that mission trip this Spring. It would be a very meaningful way to use all of the negativity they've had to endure to have a greater purpose. That Peter's friend who runs the charity thinks so highly of Madi shows us that there are people in Peter's life who are there for them and can see the positives.

Every single experience in our lives can be used as impetus for growth. Madi and Peter clearly love each other, and their time together, even if it doesn't end in a marriage, can be a source of growth and meaning. There is a reason Peter fell in love with Madi, and I think on some deeper level Peter is drawn to the life and future Madi represents. I noticed before that although there are many differences, I think there is quite a lot of common ground between them that might not be apparent on the surface.

Peter did exactly what his parents wanted, got engaged to who they thought was the perfect girl for him, and he still wasn't happy. Even if Madi and Peter don't work out, I hope they use this whole experience to become the people they're meant to become.

All JMO.

Here I am again following you and agreeing with the elements you are highlighting.
Case in point: the no. 2 about Madi’s  father, even if we take away the whole religious aspect, this is a man that has high standards of MORALS and ETHICS and has been an instrumental role model for all the youngsters he is coaching.
This is a new kind of man that Peter has probably not been in contact with much or enough IMO.

And then I also see that Peter had no chance to grow the parts that don’t necessarily fit with the Weber’s expectations of who Peter is and should be. From my POV the differences they all clamor are ‘ irreconcilable’ are superficial elements that are NOT values or character driven. There is a reason indeed why Peter has been dissatisfied with that lifestyle that he is used to. Maybe his heart is wanting more meaningful rapport, more tolerance and giving as opposed to always think of ones own needs.
Madison is a light in a new direction for him. We enter relationship not just to ‘ feel good’ but to grow. These are the REALLY important relationships we pursue. And in order to grow, there needs to be obstacles to face together, there needs to be a feeling of trust to make a team and go through these challenges together. HA was NOT operating and offering any of these deeper  and abstract qualities for Pater. Madison awakes all that as a possibility for Peter. That is something to welcome and bless as a mother. Not condemn. I do have some very interesting  data and analysis that  I’m working on and will post soon. There are no coincidences and some meaningful purpose can be traced inside this present chaotic situation.

JMOAA

Astrobach wrote:
Here I am again following you and agreeing with the elements you are highlighting.
Case in point: the no. 2 about Madi’s  father, even if we take away the whole religious aspect, this is a man that has high standards of MORALS and ETHICS and has been an instrumental role model for all the youngsters he is coaching.
This is a new kind of man that Peter has probably not been in contact with much or enough IMO.

And then I also see that Peter had no chance to grow the parts that don’t necessarily fit with the Weber’s expectations of who Peter is and should be. From my POV the differences they all clamor are ‘ irreconcilable’ are superficial elements that are NOT values or character driven. There is a reason indeed why Peter has been dissatisfied with that lifestyle that he is used to. Maybe his heart is wanting more meaningful rapport, more tolerance and giving as opposed to always think of ones own needs.
Madison is a light in a new direction for him. We enter relationship not just to ‘ feel good’ but to grow. These are the REALLY important relationships we pursue. And in order to grow, there needs to be obstacles to face together, there needs to be a feeling of trust to make a team and go through these challenges together. HA was NOT operating and offering any of these deeper  and abstract qualities for Pater. Madison awakes all that as a possibility for Peter. That is something to welcome and bless as a mother. Not condemn. I do have some very interesting  data and analysis that  I’m working on and will post soon. There are no coincidences and some meaningful purpose can be traced inside this present chaotic situation.

JMOAA