Bachelorette 15 - Luke Parker - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Norcalgal wrote:While we can't discuss religion or politics on this forum, these two topics probably best help us reconcile what went down this season, aside from individual personality quirks which present on every season.

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I am on the West Coast and the episode hasn't aired yet.  I hope that they don't over edit tonight.  I know there is stuff out there about Jed but I will again say that I think from watching the show and the edit, it has been my opinion for a while that this season has been Jed and Luke from the start.  I look forward to seeing how this episode goes, wondering if it continues with the same story Jed vs Luke.  Hannah can't hide her feelings.  Luke was her Frontrunner and Jed was s close second going into HTD.  

Still curious when that mid-season boring recap episode was filmed, because Luke was her best kisser and if she was all about Jed, I would think she would know that her future boyfriend/fiance would watch it.  She knew then, that all the guys didn't like Luke but she still said his name with a smile.    

8:00 pm come fast....I need to see this trainwreck.

4health wrote:I am on the West Coast and the episode hasn't aired yet.  I hope that they don't over edit tonight.  I know there is stuff out there about Jed but I will again say that I think from watching the show and the edit, it has been my opinion for a while that this season has been Jed and Luke from the start.  I look forward to seeing how this episode goes, wondering if it continues with the same story Jed vs Luke.  Hannah can't hide her feelings.  Luke was her Frontrunner and Jed was s close second going into HTD.  

Still curious when that mid-season boring recap episode was filmed, because Luke was her best kisser and if she was all about Jed, I would think she would know that her future boyfriend/fiance would watch it.  She knew then, that all the guys didn't like Luke but she still said his name with a smile.    

8:00 pm come fast....I need to see this trainwreck.

Totally agree !! I picked up on that best kisser too with a big smile !
I think she had the most spiritual connection with Luke and that was so important to her and you will def see that tonight on Luke’s HT !
IMO Nexts week demise of Luke happens because I think he thought Hannah had the same briefs about sex outside of marriage as he did !
Just saw Russell Wilson said he and Ciara waited until marriage so it’s def a persons right !

IMO if that scene didnt happen Luke could have been F1 IMO

But it did happen for a reason and Luke and Hannah were not meant to be. Things have a way of working out like they should. ;)

Why does Luke talk so much about his college sexual escapades? By my count - there have been 3 scenes (on camera) where he references his sexual exploits. In his intro, to Hannah last episode, and now again on HTD. What gives? His Sunday school friends, on the HTD, had surely heard his testimony before. So was this for the viewing public...again?

I also got the vibe that his Sunday school friends are relatively new friends. I wonder if his general intensity causes him to burn through people quickly. All IMO.

There is a thing I've noticed with fairly new Christians, or Christians who aren't very well established in their faith, where they still view the sins as 'cool' and want other people to think of them as vastly experienced. It's a maturity thing. And Luke has proven on screen to be very young and inexperienced.

LaineyG wrote:But it did happen for a reason and Luke and Hannah were not meant to be.  Things have a way of working out like they should. ;)

It isn't over yet. Hannah being out of the bubble and her red flags that she had with Jed were real. I would be curious to hear her thoughts on the red flags with Luke since she has watched it back. IMO Luke's demise is being seen as a horrible thing. I think Hannah's reaction and her cut to the quick to hurt Luke says a lot. Hannah flipping him off (if that really is what happens) shows to me that she really cared for him. If she didn't I don't think she would have reacted so hurt. IMO Hannah just might have some deep thoughts now when looking back to what is coming next week and also watching the season back. Her men were not nice IMO. Hannah talking with Luke's brother highlighted her thoughts (Luke thought he had in the bag) and what is funny he did up to this time IMO. Jed's reaction after the RC last night showed his true colors IMO. Also, the guys during last night's RC and talking behind Luke's back right in front of him shows their true colors.

4health wrote:

LaineyG wrote:But it did happen for a reason and Luke and Hannah were not meant to be.  Things have a way of working out like they should. ;)

It isn't over yet.  Hannah being out of the bubble and her red flags that she had with Jed were real.  I would be curious to hear her thoughts on the red flags with Luke since she has watched it back.   IMO Luke's demise is being seen as a horrible thing.  I think Hannah's reaction and her cut to the quick to hurt Luke says a lot.  Hannah flipping him off (if that really is what happens) shows to me that she really cared for him.  If she didn't I don't think she would have reacted so hurt.  IMO Hannah just might have some deep thoughts now when looking back to what is coming next week and also watching the season back.  Her men were not nice IMO.  Hannah talking with Luke's brother highlighted her thoughts (Luke thought he had in the bag) and what is funny he did up to this time IMO.   Jed's reaction after the RC last night showed his true colors IMO.    Also, the guys during last night's RC and talking behind Luke's back right in front of him shows their true colors.  

@4health
Hannah zeroed in on two of the worst men like a homing pigeon. Confronted with many options, she chose those two, Jed and Luke. That’s on her.

Men generally don’t like guys like Luke and when guys don’t like someone, they are not polite. Luke does not seem to have friends. He’s not one of the guys. Those people in his church are enamored with his apparent religious fervor/dedication - at least the ones who had good things to say. That’s very different from being one of the guys which requires an entirely different set of personality traits. It didn’t appear to me that Luke had maintained his position in his church for very long meaning he had been elevated quickly and there did not seem to be a bit of question or challenge to his standing so he’s right where he needs to be.

Chgohighlife wrote:

4health wrote:

LaineyG wrote:But it did happen for a reason and Luke and Hannah were not meant to be.  Things have a way of working out like they should. ;)

It isn't over yet.  Hannah being out of the bubble and her red flags that she had with Jed were real.  I would be curious to hear her thoughts on the red flags with Luke since she has watched it back.   IMO Luke's demise is being seen as a horrible thing.  I think Hannah's reaction and her cut to the quick to hurt Luke says a lot.  Hannah flipping him off (if that really is what happens) shows to me that she really cared for him.  If she didn't I don't think she would have reacted so hurt.  IMO Hannah just might have some deep thoughts now when looking back to what is coming next week and also watching the season back.  Her men were not nice IMO.  Hannah talking with Luke's brother highlighted her thoughts (Luke thought he had in the bag) and what is funny he did up to this time IMO.   Jed's reaction after the RC last night showed his true colors IMO.    Also, the guys during last night's RC and talking behind Luke's back right in front of him shows their true colors.  

@4health
Hannah zeroed in on two of the worst men like a homing pigeon. Confronted with many options, she chose those two, Jed and Luke. That’s on her.

Men generally don’t like guys like Luke and when guys don’t like someone, they are not polite. Luke does not seem to have friends. He’s not one of the guys. Those people in his church are enamored with his apparent religious fervor/dedication - at least the ones who had good things to say. That’s very different from being one of the guys which requires an entirely different set of personality traits. It didn’t appear to me that Luke had maintained his position in his church for very long meaning he had been elevated quickly and there did not seem to be a bit of question or challenge to his standing so he’s right where he needs to be.

IMO and what I try to do, is not comment on things that are so edited.  I don't think either one are horrible guys.  I don't know them.  Either one haven't had their day to explain or show us their true self.  As for Luke how do we know he doesn't have friends?  His HTD and at his church was edited, it did not show everything.  We don't even know if Hannah made a statement or commented to the audience at Sunday school.  We actually saw his brother talk about his character and how he is the guy that stopped anyone fighting.  I can't comment on someone's character when this is a edited show that manipulates and creates a story that they want and that is what I see this season.  Tbtp knew the guys didn't like Luke and that is the story line they gave us.  There has been several other seasons (Jake's, JP, Andi's, Kaitlyn's etc.) that had a frontrunner as the villian or a character that other people in the house did not like, but never like this.  Also, IMO tbtp wanted the controversy of religion vs sex debate and knew they had a season full of it and they highlighted it, just like Colton's season...they over played his virginity.    IMO the FSD with Luke will not be as dramatic as the previews is showing it.   IMO the windmill talk will be a misdirect and/or Luke brings it up as an example to his feelings about the other guys FD since he was last.   IMO His mistake will be that he doesn't trusts her and Hannah the beast comes out....I have posted that in the real world I would hope that my future husband wouldn't sleep with someone the week I was getting engaged and not be upset if we had that conversation of concern. I like that Luke was being honest and expressing himself about his beliefs and if she did have sex that he would bow out of the relationship. I don't see that as a bad thing!

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to the highlighted comment.....opinions are just that opinions.  I try to make no judgement of people from an edited show.   Things are not as they seem IMO.  I post here in Luke's thread because I can voice my thoughts and IMO what I see not what I feel.   You are assuming things and this is Luke's thread, not a thread to tell me of my impressions favorable or not.  I don't have a horse in this race and you don't have to state your views on Luke but you did come to his thread.    As for Luke proposing we don't know that well at least I don't know that I haven't seen the episode yet.

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4health wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

4health wrote:

LaineyG wrote:But it did happen for a reason and Luke and Hannah were not meant to be.  Things have a way of working out like they should. ;)

It isn't over yet.  Hannah being out of the bubble and her red flags that she had with Jed were real.  I would be curious to hear her thoughts on the red flags with Luke since she has watched it back.   IMO Luke's demise is being seen as a horrible thing.  I think Hannah's reaction and her cut to the quick to hurt Luke says a lot.  Hannah flipping him off (if that really is what happens) shows to me that she really cared for him.  If she didn't I don't think she would have reacted so hurt.  IMO Hannah just might have some deep thoughts now when looking back to what is coming next week and also watching the season back.  Her men were not nice IMO.  Hannah talking with Luke's brother highlighted her thoughts (Luke thought he had in the bag) and what is funny he did up to this time IMO.   Jed's reaction after the RC last night showed his true colors IMO.    Also, the guys during last night's RC and talking behind Luke's back right in front of him shows their true colors.  

@4health
Hannah zeroed in on two of the worst men like a homing pigeon. Confronted with many options, she chose those two, Jed and Luke. That’s on her.

Men generally don’t like guys like Luke and when guys don’t like someone, they are not polite. Luke does not seem to have friends. He’s not one of the guys. Those people in his church are enamored with his apparent religious fervor/dedication - at least the ones who had good things to say. That’s very different from being one of the guys which requires an entirely different set of personality traits. It didn’t appear to me that Luke had maintained his position in his church for very long meaning he had been elevated quickly and there did not seem to be a bit of question or challenge to his standing so he’s right where he needs to be.

IMO and what I try to do, is not comment on things that are so edited.  I don't think either one are horrible guys.  I don't know them.  Either one haven't had their day to explain or show us their true self.  As for Luke how do we know he doesn't have friends?  His HTD and at his church was edited, it did not show everything.  We don't even know if Hannah made a statement or commented to the audience at Sunday school.  We actually saw his brother talk about his character and how he is the guy that stopped anyone fighting.  I can't comment on someone's character when this is a edited show that manipulates and creates a story that they want and that is what I see this season.  Tbtp knew the guys didn't like Luke and that is the story line they gave us.  There has been several other seasons (Jake's, JP, Andi's, Kaitlyn's etc.) that had a frontrunner as the villian or a character that other people in the house did not like, but never like this.  Also, IMO tbtp wanted the controversy of religion vs sex debate and knew they had a season full of it and they highlighted it, just like Colton's season...they over played his virginity.    IMO the FSD with Luke will not be as dramatic as the previews is showing it.   IMO the windmill talk will be a misdirect and/or Luke brings it up as an example to his feelings about the other guys FD since he was last.   IMO His mistake will be that he doesn't trusts her and Hannah the beast comes out....I have posted that in the real world I would hope that my future husband wouldn't sleep with someone the week I was getting engaged and not be upset if we had that conversation of concern.   I like that Luke was being honest and expressing himself about his beliefs and if she did have sex that he would bow out of the relationship.  I don't see that as a bad thing!

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We all have our opinions and takes on all of this that we watch in a reality tv show that is highly edited !
At the end of the day I don’t feel like I really know these people at all so I will see how this all plays out !!

Like Arie once said ; this show is just a shall part of life ! They all move on and the circle starts over IMO