Bachelor 23 - Cassie Randolph - **Sleuthing Spoilers**

CH said in the Lauren Zima interview, I believe, that he was there because they knew it was a big night.

I think what people are having a hard time with is that Cassie just isn’t a good communicator, or doesn’t seem to be, in hard situations. Breakups are hard already. Add in cameras, confusion, manipulations, dads, etc. I just don’t think she was able to articulate exactly what she wanted to and bless he heart, she’s been torn apart for it. JMO.

Maybe it was hard for her because she really just didn't want to say goodbye but because of her frame of mind at the time, she thought it was the right thing to do. I'm sensing it wasn't as hard for Colton to get her back. That scene at the car, she did not want to leave.

The good news is, they got past it last November and they lived happily ever after.   IMO

GinaRose wrote:The good news is, they got past it last November and they lived happily ever after.    IMO

Amen!

alwayscooking wrote:

Norcalgal wrote:

alwayscooking wrote: This takes me back to the conversation Cassie and Colton had on their first 1-1 date, about how he deals with the "virginity" and the relationship being so public, and her concern was people judging her for not being a virgin.  I always thought it was an odd conversation to have be left in there but now it makes a little more sense.

I wonder if Cassie's parents knew she was not a virgin before the show aired?

I don't know but the cat's outta the bag now,   Do you remember that conversations they had on their 1-1?  Did you or anyone find it odd?

It was left in there to serve the contrast between Colton (surprisinly still a virgin) and Cassie (whom many would think is also). And the term "judged by my community" is prescient, no?

Julie81 wrote:CH said in the Lauren Zima interview, I believe, that he was there because they knew it was a big night.

I think what people are having a hard time with is that Cassie just isn’t a good communicator, or doesn’t seem to be, in hard situations. Breakups are hard already. Add in cameras, confusion, manipulations, dads, etc. I just don’t think she was able to articulate exactly what she wanted to and bless he heart, she’s been torn apart for it. JMO.

Yes , I saw that interview with Chris too. He said he's always around when they know something big is about to go down. ( that right there is very telling on how they manipulate and mess with people's heads) only thing is Colton knew what they did and in turn broke the rules by telling her he was in love with her and she was the one he wanted before he was suppose to tell her.  Good for Colton 

I haven’t watched the last few seasons, but come here for info on some of my favorite couples. I haven’t read anything about this season.
I watched the last episode bc everyone was saying how great this season was. It was obvious to me when he came back and told the girls that they were going to Portugal the Cassie was the one he was interested in. TPTB had to have a story, and it looks like Cassie’s dad is a willing participant - he follows directions well - no blessing, and he went all the way to Portugal to tell her that it cannot be true love if she had any doubts. (I hope her mom got to tag along on the trip to Portugal as well.)
I don’t know any girl that would leave a guy she likes, who is telling her he loves her and that all he is asking for is that they continue their relationship. The daytime portion and nighttime portion of the dates did not go together.
Colton is the best looking bachelor in quite some time and is very likable. I will watch the finally knowing that it is producer manipulated reality tv with wanabe actors.

pbmax wrote:Maybe it was hard for her because she really just didn't want to say goodbye but because of her frame of mind at the time, she thought it was the right thing to do. I'm sensing it wasn't as hard for Colton to get her back. That scene at the car, she did not want to leave.

Well she started out telling her father in Portugal that while she had some doubts, she did love Colton and didn't want the relationship to end. Her father basically told her that he knew her Mom was "the one" he wanted to marry immediately and he wanted that for Cassie and that if she wasn't certain now then Colton wasn't the one for her and the best thing for her and for Colton was to completely break it off. She went into that evening meeting with Colton planning to do what her father wanted her to do and I think it wasn't until she got into the car to leave that it hit her what she had really done - and it wasn't what she wanted to do.

IMO there were very different mindsets in play at the time of the FD in Portugal (all of this is just my speculation):

Cassie - IMO surprised and concerned that Colton didn't get her father's blessing on the HTD. She had to wonder why not - did her father see something that she was overlooking? Did it not bother Colton so much because Colton wasn't going to pick her anyway? Was this something she was prepared to go against her father's wishes and do on her own (now that her father had been very explicit)?

Colton - IMO not so concerned because he had a couple of "backup plans". Her father had told Colton that giving his blessing would be a "premature blessing". So Colton thinks he can call her father once he has eliminated the other girls and is committed to choosing Cassie - logical based on what her father had said because then it wouldn't then be premature. If he didn't get her father's blessing then IMO he was prepared to pick Cassie anyway and date her without an engagement. IMO these backup plans were why Colton was so quick to take engagement off the table during the evening meeting - he already had thought it through.

Matt (Cassie's dad) - IMO felt that her ex Caelan was a far better choice who could keep Cassie on the "Biola straight and narrow" and if she got engaged to Colton she would never go back to Caelan. IMO he wanted Cassie to break off any relationship with Colton so an ultimate reconciliation with Caelan would be possible, and the meeting in Portugal was his chance - and that's exactly what he did. IMO that meeting could have been very different had Matt told Cassie the full truth - that while meeting her mother was a "boom" moment for him it took her mother over a year to eradicate all doubts (per her mother's IG store) - but that would blow Matt's argument out of the water.

TPTB - IMO believed that Colton would never get Cassie's father's blessing and thus the season would end with no engagement. So they contacted her father and brought him to Portugal to get Cassie to leave, giving Colton no other options but Tayshia or Hanna G both of whom would accept a proposal. They really didn't know that Colton's feelings for Cassie were so strong that he would quit the show or eliminate both of the other two girls to try and have a chance with Cassie - until he jumped the fence. Colton wisely understood enough about what they were doing to blame TPTB for most of this.

Matt (Cassie's dad) - IMO felt that her ex Caelan was a far better choice who could keep Cassie on the "Biola straight and narrow" and if she got engaged to Colton she would never go back to Caelan. IMO he wanted Cassie to break off any relationship with Colton so an ultimate reconciliation with Caelan would be possible, and the meeting in Portugal was his chance - and that's exactly what he did. IMO that meeting could have been very different had Matt told Cassie the full truth - that while meeting her mother was a "boom" moment for him it took her mother over a year to eradicate all doubts (per her mother's IG store) - but that would blow Matt's argument out of the water.

I don't think a reconciliation with Cealan is a reason. Cealan has moved on and is living in the Philippines at the moment. Cassie has also told Cealan was very controlling in their relationship, so I don't think Matt would see him as the ideal partner for his daughter. IMO

Dutchy23 wrote:I don't think a reconciliation with Cealan is a reason. Cealan has moved on and is living in the Philippines at the moment. Cassie has also told Cealan was very controlling in their relationship, so I don't think Matt would see him as the ideal partner for his daughter. IMO

I think Matt is very controlling of Cassie - she walked into the Portugal meeting with her father and said that she did not want her relationship with Colton to end - but he turns this around and advises her to end it if she isn't immediately certain that Colton is "the one". Matt conveniently left out a big part of his own marriage to Cassie's mother - he may have had the "boom" moment he wants for Cassie but Amy (her mother) wasn't certain for over a year.

That was IMO very controlling so Caelan's similarly controlling nature could well be exactly how Matt thinks it should be - Caelan is more of an "alter ego" of Matt than he is different from Matt.

Colton and Cassie - You Are The Reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvnNaV_pWvk

I wish I could give Lucas15's posts 100 likes each.  No matter how I look at this, no matter how "right" Matt is that Cassie is likely to be hurt on this show, there is no way that the end justifies the means. When have we ever seen a PARENT show up to whisk their child away to keep her from being hurt? Granted, the father likely was manipulated by production because he hasn't been watching the show for years like we all have, so he was probably malleable to them, but this remains helicopter parenting at its finest. They used his helicopter parenting tendencies to get him to go to Portugal. I knew that Colton was only chosen for this season because he is a virgin and how his lack of experience with women could be exploited. It does feel like the Bachelor: High School edition to me. I really like how Colton handled that scene with Cassie but his virginity puts him at a real disadvantage and that is being exploited to the max by production, as I expected. I think he does have a good connection with Cassie and he really does want her. But the producers really messed with him- and even though Im not surprised, I wish they didn't do that- exploit both Cassie and Colton. Maybe that is why elon was fired as you all have said? By the way, where has Kasha been? All is MO.