Bachelor 22 - Arie Luyendyk Jr - Episodes - Feb 26 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Kashathediva wrote:

Stone_Hedge wrote:Thank you for the history @kasha and @havapepper.  I think that’s why I feel it’s different than a normal Mesnick . Mutual is very different than only one wanting out imo.

How do we know at this point it was not mutual? 
Personally, if I knew I was in a relationship where the other person was torn to be with someone else from day one, had probably slept with someone else on the show and said I love you to someone else, I would be out of there in a red hot minute. No, take it back, a second. 
Because someone is heard crying in the background does not indicate that crying goes with that scene. It's a VO. 
I think for the relationship to have any kind of real life chance, you have to be all in from the time that final rose is given out and accepted. If you are not all in from that moment, how can you even expect to be all in later when real life challenges occur. JMOAA
This scenario does not mean Becca would not be angry, feeling that rose never should have been offered. I would be angry. 
It also, does not mean that after knowing the situation, I would not want out immediately if not sooner.
No one knows what occurred on that 4wheeling SHV. It may have been uncomfortable as he11. Discussions may have taken place to illuminate the real situation. I don't know.

kmick0890 wrote:

Mommyof2 wrote:Tomorrow night will be difficult for Arie.  He is going to have many people hate him for this little switcheroo, but just as people hated Jason and Molly, most eventually got over it.  It's a TV show, and a highly edited one at that.  Jmho.  

The switch doesn't air until next week. Tomorrow night is the Fantasy Suite Dates. Next week is the finale.

kmick0890 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

Stone_Hedge wrote:Thank you for the history @kasha and @havapepper.  I think that’s why I feel it’s different than a normal Mesnick . Mutual is very different than only one wanting out imo.

How do we know at this point it was not mutual? 
Personally, if I knew I was in a relationship where the other person was torn to be with someone else from day one, had probably slept with someone else on the show and said I love you to someone else, I would be out of there in a red hot minute. No, take it back, a second. 
Because someone is heard crying in the background does not indicate that crying goes with that scene. It's a VO. 
I think for the relationship to have any kind of real life chance, you have to be all in from the time that final rose is given out and accepted. If you are not all in from that moment, how can you even expect to be all in later when real life challenges occur. JMOAA
This scenario does not mean Becca would not be angry, feeling that rose never should have been offered. I would be angry. 
It also, does not mean that after knowing the situation, I would not want out immediately if not sooner.
No one knows what occurred on that 4wheeling SHV. It may have been uncomfortable as he11. Discussions may have taken place to illuminate the real situation. I don't know.

IMO, I think people are saying it wasn't mutual because of how sad Becca seemed on SM after news of the switch broke and how angry Caroline was at Arie at the WTA. I agree that the last SHV could've been awkward for them. There's still so much we don't know.

GuardianAngel wrote:My head is spinning. Not a true Mesnick? Jason almost had a stroke when he let Molly go. Melissa was a total b*tch on the sit down with CH blaming him for everything calling him a b*stard. (I'm looking out for that same line during the ATFR) . Jason and Molly had to go in hiding they were so hated. TPTB led the viewers to believe this was all Jason's fault even though Melissa had her ex waiting for her. Apparently Jason changed his mind as did Arie.

Melissa agreed to the split because she wanted out? It was mutual? It certainly didn't look that way to viewers.

How is Arie worse than Jason? How do we know Becca didn't realize she too wanted to go back to her ex?

A switch is a switch, IMO both chose the F1 then later switched to F2. One IMO isn't worse than the other.

Kashathediva wrote:

kmick0890 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:
How do we know at this point it was not mutual? 
Personally, if I knew I was in a relationship where the other person was torn to be with someone else from day one, had probably slept with someone else on the show and said I love you to someone else, I would be out of there in a red hot minute. No, take it back, a second. 
Because someone is heard crying in the background does not indicate that crying goes with that scene. It's a VO. 
I think for the relationship to have any kind of real life chance, you have to be all in from the time that final rose is given out and accepted. If you are not all in from that moment, how can you even expect to be all in later when real life challenges occur. JMOAA
This scenario does not mean Becca would not be angry, feeling that rose never should have been offered. I would be angry. 
It also, does not mean that after knowing the situation, I would not want out immediately if not sooner.
No one knows what occurred on that 4wheeling SHV. It may have been uncomfortable as he11. Discussions may have taken place to illuminate the real situation. I don't know.

IMO, I think people are saying it wasn't mutual because of how sad Becca seemed on SM after news of the switch broke and how angry Caroline was at Arie at the WTA. I agree that the last SHV could've been awkward for them. There's still so much we don't know.

What people are saying and what is the truth are two different things. 
My interest lays in what actually happened and not what this person, that person and the other has to say unless they were personally involved in the situation.

docnash14 wrote:In my opinion, he came very close to crying with Lauren at the dinner table when she confessed that she was falling in  love.  If you watch his facial expression closely, it appears he is doing his best not to cry.  My clinical opinion is that his anxiety that propels him to remove himself from an emotional stimulus (no matter how awkward it is to do so) is his body's way of urging him to face his feelings and express them rather than trying to escape them.  To his credit (and apparently with permission by the producers) he came back to the table and did just that.

Robert Mills wrote:Arie has sometimes had a hard time with his feelings, especially for Lauren B. He's said he can't explain why he likes her so much. What are you wishing he'd say there?

I, like everyone else, wish he would explain why! But I do think, honest to God, he can’t explain it. I think that connection is what leads him to do bizarre things like get up and walk around the room and come back and give her a rose!