Bachelor Canada - Season 3 - Chris Leroux - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #2

tatladylu wrote:@HEA,

Made my husband watch the scene where they recap their journey from getting out of the limo til where they are now.

He's never watched.

My husband feels that he shouldn’t be with either girl! Lol!!

One, he has no chemistry with and the other is at a different stage in life.

That’s his perspective...cut and dry! Haha!

It's sad for Chris too. It's obvious, to me, that he liked both in different ways.

I agree with your husband...he cut right to the chase. That is why ideally Chris should pick no one and walk away single, but smarter and more self aware for the experience. On the other hand, if he needs to pick one, I hope he picks the one that he truly is interested in and has chemistry with. At least then, he can hopefully give things a go no matter the obstacles in the way.

@HEA I just want to bring up a couple of things. Firstly you described Lyndsay as being "petulant". That is the second time someone has done that and I really don't understand where that is coming from. Could you please share your thoughts on that? The other thing is that you described Lyndsay as a sort of free spirit, 60's hippie child and Mik as more settled into her career path so better suited with the older Chris. I'm not sure that I agree. Mik seems to have a very definite plan for her life and appears to be very focused on it going forward. Chris, on the other hand, when asked by the parents about his future plans seems to be more fluid, fly by the seat of his pants....he'll figure it out...eventually. To me, this seems to fit in better with the free spirited Lyndsay rather than the more conservative, focused Mik.

Sprite wrote:

tatladylu wrote:@HEA,

Made my husband watch the scene where they recap their journey from getting out of the limo til where they are now.

He's never watched.

My husband feels that he shouldn’t be with either girl! Lol!!

One, he has no chemistry with and the other is at a different stage in life.

That’s his perspective...cut and dry! Haha!

It's sad for Chris too. It's obvious, to me, that he liked both in different ways.

I agree with your husband...he cut right to the chase. That is why ideally Chris should pick no one and walk away single, but smarter and more self aware for the experience. On the other hand, if he needs to pick one, I hope he picks the one that he truly is interested in and has chemistry with. At least then, he can hopefully give things a go no matter the obstacles in the way.

@HEA I just want to bring up a couple of things. Firstly you described Lyndsay as being "petulant". That is the second time someone has done that and I really don't understand where that is coming from. Could you please share your thoughts on that? The other thing is that you described Lyndsay as a sort of free spirit, 60's hippie child and Mik as more settled into her career path so better suited with the older Chris. I'm not sure that I agree. Mik seems to have a very definite plan for her life and appears to be very focused on it going forward. Chris, on the other hand, when asked by the parents about his future plans seems to be more fluid, fly by the seat of his pants....he'll figure it out...eventually. To me, this seems to fit in better with the free spirited Lyndsay rather than the more conservative, focused Mik.

 I’m seeing this season as more of a story of Chris finding out what he needs in a relationship.  Mik has great ability as an open communicator who clearly articlutates her thoughts and guides Chris to improve his ability to communicate. He is gradually learning to speak without fearing rejection when he shares. Linds is playfully uninhibited and also puts him at the center of her world, making decisions that are about them instead of the wants of others.
I think he cares about both and is in a quandary because at this point things he sees as “”wants” are in two different people. Logically IMO that means neither is enough of a match unless in the final week he sees just one as a prospective lover & confidant.
It is at this point that I think the process becomes a hindrance because there is a time limit and the environment is so controlled.

IMO , he seems to communicate just fine with Lyndsey I don't see there being a problem , maybe just maybe he has a hard time going there with mikeala if he doesn't see more then he loves her for her just my opinion. Lyndsey's zest for life and going to Australia maybe just what to people would need if they are together just them on there engagement. Lyndsey likes that, he claims to be a private person so why not go away. Or everyone moving in separate directions and they have all taken something positive from this experience imo

Pinkgirl wrote:IMO , he seems to communicate just fine with Lyndsey I don't see there being a problem , maybe just maybe he has a hard time going there with mikeala if he doesn't see more then he loves her for her just my opinion.  Lyndsey's zest for life and going to Australia maybe just what to people would need if they are together just them on there engagement. Lyndsey likes that, he claims to be a private person so why not go away. Or everyone moving in separate directions and they have all taken something positive from this experience imo

I suspect you are correct and they have all taken something positive out of this experience. Most past cast members have mentioned that the process focused them and they learned a lot about themselves.

One comment which I posted previously...Many seem to be talking about Mik as if she is this great communicator that is helping Chris with his own communications skills....which she very well could be...but, tptb could also be fostering that impression due to the way they are editing the women. The plot this season seems to be Lyndsay as the young, chemistry, free spirit vs Mik the solid, mature, career woman. The emphasis being on the age difference between the two women...which in reality is 4 years. So to emphasise the age, one...Mik...is shown being very thoughtful, serious, communicating on a high level and the other is shown with more chemistry...as is that is all to the relationship. We see a lot of scenes with Chris and M having deep conversations and M expressing herself very thoughtfully. L and Chris on the other hand are shown discussing the obstacles of the age difference and the distance issue. There seem to be more gaps in the conversations we are not seeing with these two since it is clear that they seem to have looked at some options to resolve these issues...like Chris readily talking of him moving to Vancouver. They have to show Mik being thoughtful to emphasise that age difference. Not that she isn't, in fact, I'm sure she is, but that is the plot...serious, mature, vs young, flighty.

Sprite wrote:

Pinkgirl wrote:IMO , he seems to communicate just fine with Lyndsey I don't see there being a problem , maybe just maybe he has a hard time going there with mikeala if he doesn't see more then he loves her for her just my opinion.  Lyndsey's zest for life and going to Australia maybe just what to people would need if they are together just them on there engagement. Lyndsey likes that, he claims to be a private person so why not go away. Or everyone moving in separate directions and they have all taken something positive from this experience imo

I suspect you are correct and they have all taken something positive out of this experience. Most past cast members have mentioned that the process focused them and they learned a lot about themselves.

One comment which I posted previously...Many seem to be talking about Mik as if she is this great communicator that is helping Chris with his own communications skills....which she very well could be...but, tptb could also be fostering that impression due to the way they are editing the women. The plot this season seems to be Lyndsay as the young, chemistry, free spirit vs Mik the solid, mature, career woman. The emphasis being on the age difference between the two women...which in reality is 4 years. So to emphasise the age, one...Mik...is shown being very thoughtful, serious, communicating on a high level and the other is shown with more chemistry...as is that is all to the relationship. We see a lot of scenes with Chris and M having deep conversations and M expressing herself very thoughtfully. L and Chris on the other hand are shown discussing the obstacles of the age difference and the distance issue. There seem to be more gaps in the conversations we are not seeing with these two since it is clear that they seem to have looked at some options to resolve these issues...like Chris readily talking of him moving to Vancouver. They have to show Mik being thoughtful to emphasise that age difference. Not that she isn't, in fact, I'm sure she is, but that is the plot...serious, mature, vs young, flighty.

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petulant for me means lively, happy, a bit silly at times.... not sure why some see any negativity in that
ETA: googled and i get it now.... i am french mother tongue if people do not know here already so at times one word can be mis translated...

chris said about mik that it is EASY, that the conversations are MEANINGFUL, that from the start

mik has her own business versus Lindsey who is labelled publicist but i have no idea if she is working, but definitly does not have her own business

mik started when she was 19 and move to Toronto starting with her diploma in hand (confirmed that she has a business degree) and just her will. In some of her comments, some refers her as Lady Boss.

Lindsey; outside the hiking and music and adventures and project to go for a while in australia does not seem to me that she is currently working. maybe i am wrong. Is she living alone or parents?

so yes. I do see a difference even if it is only 4 years

and this looks very very much 60s IMO
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY1ekcKlbmu/?taken-by=oldsames

Will Lyndsey only marry Chris if he moves to Vancouver Island....I find that very strange.

AmberTrails wrote:Will Lyndsey only marry Chris if he moves to Vancouver Island....I find that very strange.

Unless her family changed their mind about age difference, i think they will do their best to delay that and i kinda agree they should wait 2-3 years or more for that


*****IF***** he picked Lindsey

@Sprite,
I was the other person to call Lyndsey petulant so, I will explain - It was a kind way to refer to what IMO is childish behavior. I'm referring to the removal of the pictures of Chris and her from her I/G and the posting of provocative pictures of her and her girlfriend. All were posted/removed for a reason, and reaction IMO so, that's mine.
People make fewer judgments when you share less, IMO.
Also, when you're in your forties-eighties, 4 years is nothing but, when you're in your twenties - 4 years is a lot. Everything is relative. JMO

HEA wrote:petulant for me means lively, happy, a bit silly at times.... not sure why some see any negativity in that

chris said about mik that it is EASY, that the conversations are MEANINGFUL, that from the start

mik has her own business versus Lindsey who is labelled publicist but i have no idea if she is working, but definitly does not have her own business

mik started when she was 19 and move to Toronto starting with her diploma in hand (confirmed that she has a business degree) and just her will. In some of her comments, some refers her as Lady Boss.

Lindsey; outside the hiking and music and adventures and project to go for a while in australia does not seem to me that she is currently working. maybe i am wrong. Is she living alone or parents?

so yes. I do see a difference even if it is only 4 years

and this looks very very much 60s IMO
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY1ekcKlbmu/?taken-by=oldsames

OK. That would explain why we are not in agreement. I agree with the explanation you wrote, but I was going by what I have known as the dictionary definition which is according to https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/petulant:

Definition of petulant

1  : insolent or rude in speech or behavior

2  : characterized by temporary or capricious ill humor : peevish 
    


Sorry don't mean to be shouting, but can't seem to get the font to change.

Just dropping my two cents to say that I don't get this connection or x factor or spark that it seems like most see with Chris & Lyndsey, I don't see it. I mean if x factor/spark= lust then yes it's absolutely there. They definitely want to sleep with each other. Besides that though? There's nothing there imo. I think all involved should walk away single, if it takes a week after filming to get it done then I'm not mad at it. I do think the kind of relationship that Chris & Mikaela have is special, but I don't think Chris is at the place in his life yet where he can see and understand the value of this so it's best to just walk away. All Jmo.

Sprite wrote:

HEA wrote:petulant for me means lively, happy, a bit silly at times.... not sure why some see any negativity in that

chris said about mik that it is EASY, that the conversations are MEANINGFUL, that from the start

mik has her own business versus Lindsey who is labelled publicist but i have no idea if she is working, but definitly does not have her own business

mik started when she was 19 and move to Toronto starting with her diploma in hand (confirmed that she has a business degree) and just her will. In some of her comments, some refers her as Lady Boss.

Lindsey; outside the hiking and music and adventures and project to go for a while in australia does not seem to me that she is currently working. maybe i am wrong. Is she living alone or parents?

so yes. I do see a difference even if it is only 4 years

and this looks very very much 60s IMO
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY1ekcKlbmu/?taken-by=oldsames

OK. That would explain why we are not in agreement. I agree with the explanation you wrote, but I was going by what I have known as the dictionary definition which is according to https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/petulant:

Definition of petulant

1  : insolent or rude in speech or behavior

2  : characterized by temporary or capricious ill humor : peevish 
    


Sorry don't mean to be shouting, but can't seem to get the font to change.

There are many definitions - here are mine and why I used the term;
vocabulary.com
petulant. Choose the adjective petulant to describe a person or behavior that is irritable in a childish way. The adjective, petulant, is a disapproving term used to describe a bad-tempered child, an adult behaving like an angry child or behavior of this type.
collinsdictionary.com
Petulant definition: Someone who is petulant is unreasonably angry and upset in a childish way.
thesaurus.com
petulant 1599, "immodest, wanton, saucy,"