Bachelor In Paradise - Season 4 - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - 2

keech wrote:https://www.buzzfeed.com/marcusjones/demario-jackson-has-lost-his-job-in-the-wake-of-the?utm_term=.odGmkKA5B2#.xdkqWKdgMj

This article says Demario left his job prior to filming, and was not fired.

It goes to show you that you really CANNOT believe anything these ppl say. Did he not think no one would find out about this. All the lies, just a shame.

Was he ever quoted as saying he got fired? I thought it was just reported that he was fired, but not something he said himself? IDK I have not read all the articles in full nor have I watched any vids if there were any. It claims misinformation from an employee.

Nice to see a correction, although it probably doesn't matter, the damage has been done IMHO.

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/23955-bachelor-in-paradise-star-in-hiding-claims-he-lost-his-job-over-sexual-misconduct-allegation

No he do not. Those were "headlines" he never said it.

My goodness Demario must be cursing the day he signed up to go on this sh&t show.

Can I just say OY VEY does not even begin to cover this season.

The more I read, the more I come to the conclusion that if snyone call themslves a victim here, its Demario .... and it seems a few other guys. And who says that its only a woman's right to give consent .. what about a drunk guys right to not have a woman do to hm what she did? Its not just about physical strength ... coercion can be done by a female too. All accounts are pointing to her as he aggressor with multiple males ... plus we saw her in action with Nick .... it doesnt take rocket science to figure this one out. :shootme:

Ashley's interview which brings up some interesting points
http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/ashlee-frazier-on-bachelor-in-paradise.html

That actually is a really good interview with her and she reveals a lot. Kinda of makes it seem possible that Corinne could have been coerced heavily to do the various things she did, or encouraged greatly jmo. Maybe that's why she feels like a victim. Interesting that Ashlee thinks that the producers wouldn't stop sex in the open , they would run with it...

Sheokaf wrote:Ashley's interview which brings up some interesting points  
http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/ashlee-frazier-on-bachelor-in-paradise.html

Saw this link at the bottom of Ashley's interview. Sorry if it has already been posted.

Vulture: Bachelor in Paradise: How Sex is Orchestrated on Reality TV Shows

Very interesting...thought these tidbits super intriguing...

As a seasoned reality-TV producer, I’ve both led and endured countless crew meetings regarding alcohol and drug consumption and sexual activity among cast members. Television executives are overwhelmingly risk-averse, and the whiff of litigation can ruin a career, so we make sure that when we go into the field, we know the rules: no drunk driving, no drugs in front of kids, no nonconsensual sex. If we see that someone is moving toward nonconsensual sex, we step in, or better yet, encourage another cast member to step in, and capture the fallout on camera.

At the same time, on a show like Bachelor in Paradise, the drunken hook-up is the coin of the realm. Even on shows less romantic than the Bachelor franchise, producers plan dalliances in preproduction.

Duke702 wrote:That actually is a really good interview with her and she reveals a lot. Kinda of makes it seem possible that Corinne could have been coerced heavily to do the various things she did, or encouraged greatly jmo. Maybe that's why she feels like a victim. Interesting that Ashlee thinks that the producers wouldn't stop sex in the open , they would run with it...

She actually said that it was her understanding that only cameramen were there ... no producers or handlers ... and they dont step in unless its something dangerous ..... other cast didnt seem to think anything out of the ordinary was going on either. BIP is raunchy... plain and simple and anyone that goes on it know the score and are agreeable .... this whole fiasco is much ado about nothing IMO ....just another day in Paradise....

northernviewer wrote:

Duke702 wrote:That actually is a really good interview with her and she reveals a lot. Kinda of makes it seem possible that Corinne could have been coerced heavily to do the various things she did, or encouraged greatly jmo. Maybe that's why she feels like a victim. Interesting that Ashlee thinks that the producers wouldn't stop sex in the open , they would run with it...

She actually said that it was her understanding that only cameramen were there ... no producers or handlers ... and they dont step in unless its something dangerous ..... other cast didnt seem to think anything out of the ordinary was going on either.   BIP is raunchy... plain and simple and anyone that goes on it know the score and are agreeable .... this whole fiasco is much ado about nothing IMO ....just another day in Paradise....

I find it odd that no producers or handlers were there on the very first day of filming. Where were they and what were they doing instead? From recent articles that have given Jasmine's and Raven's accounts, we know they were there because they witnessed the events unfold firsthand. If those two were there, then it's not a stretch to believe that other contestants were there as well. Maybe the camera crew isn't allowed to intervene, but I would hope that if something truly nefarious was going on - like someone was in the process of being sexually assaulted - that they would have stepped in to put an end to it. I'm not sure by the way AshLee phrased it if she's getting inside information or she's just reading in between the lines of all the media accounts that are out there. AshLee said in the article something along the lines of 'it was her understanding that no producers or handlers were there'. She could have just assumed that since the 2 producers who filed complaints weren't there (including Corinne's producer/handler) that no other producers were there. Also, I don't know how close AshLee is to 'Bachelor Nation' any longer. Her season was a while ago, so would she really have any inside sources who could give her credible information as to what happened? I don't know. I just think in that interview, AshLee was simply her stating her opinion, but that she really doesn't know anything that the rest of us don't already know.

One thing I'm interested is the timeline of everything. When did the encounter happen with DeMario? Was it late morning, afternoon, evening? If the incident happened with DeMario in the afternoon, then Corinne went on to interact and make out with multi other men afterwards did that happen in the evening? I just think if the incident happened earlier in the day, how could no producers/handlers but the camera crew be around? If it happened in the middle of the night, maybe that was the case, but if it happened earlier in the day, probably not.

We also have Jasmine's and Raven's accounts that state that Corinne was not acting any differently than she had in Nick's season and that she was very coherent when the incident was happening. I think it adds more credibility to their statements since they put their names to their words and just didn't get their information out there as a anonymous source. It will be interesting to see if other contestants step forward and confirm their account.

I hope at some point we will get an accurate account of everything. I do agree with you that this could actually turn out to be much ado about nothing and just another day in BIP.