Bachelorette 13 - Rachel Lindsay - ScreenCaps - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - Discussion

adf23 wrote:Ok, going with that theory that he was encouraged to follow Lee until the show aired.....what would be the point of that?  

And why just Bryan- because he is F1? I don't see Rachel being ok with that.
So if it's fiance vs TPTB, they win, regardless of how that makes Rachel feel (from Bryan's end, not TPTB)?  

And why unfollow DeMario now, and not after his controversial episode aired?

The point of that is that is what production wanted. If anyone can get into production's head and reasoning, more power to that person and I might fear them. Just saying. :shocked!:
The same point of allowing people to believe Rachel actually wrote her blog post yesterday vs the fact she did not write it it was ghost written for her.
DeMario's issue is not a similar issue IMO. Maybe he wanted to distance himself from DeMario when that whole thing came out and was not authorized to for whatever reason. Again, I find the timing too coincidental.

Max64 wrote:

coolangel wrote:

HEA wrote:IMO the 3rd drapes have this velvet touch and color versus the 4th maybe?

Agreed that the 3rd pic drapes are velvety in texture IMO.  Also, the 4th pic was already sleuthed to be from Bryan's HTD based on the top she is wearing.

What she is wearing is irrelevant, the ITM in third SC is also the same dress as the top two, but is done at a different time.  My point being it is a possibility they are the same drapes but have used different lighting as they often do.  I've played with photo editor a bit and you can get them to look the same.  Notice the rest of the SC has the same cheesy decor that is typically used by TPTB,  and if they are the same that ITM could have been done any time.

Too bad 3 people including me didn't realize that clothes were irrelevant so we wouldn't have spent time matching the 'I am falling in love' SC to Bryan's HTD. Either ways, my point was not about the timing of the ITM. There is some evidence (her clothes) to suggest that it was Bryan's HTD but IMO there is none so far to suggest that it was Peter's HTD like you had stated (the bolded below). Whether the drapes match or not, I am not sure how Peter's HTD came into the picture. Please point me towards it if I missed something. TYIA!

Even if the ITM was shot at a later time, I am not sure why they would have her wear the same top she was wearing during Bryan's HTD to talk about anyone else except Bryan (JMO).  

Max64 wrote:snipped


Another thing that's been bugging me are those drapes.  I think they are the same drapes that are in Rachel's ITM from Peter's HTD, although the lighting is different, I think they could be the same.

My SC's made from this source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH5Ghj-Z_NM

All JMO

I saw that as well @coolangel. I assumed it was a mistype by @HEA.

coolangel wrote:

Max64 wrote:

coolangel wrote:

Agreed that the 3rd pic drapes are velvety in texture IMO.  Also, the 4th pic was already sleuthed to be from Bryan's HTD based on the top she is wearing.

What she is wearing is irrelevant, the ITM in third SC is also the same dress as the top two, but is done at a different time.  My point being it is a possibility they are the same drapes but have used different lighting as they often do.  I've played with photo editor a bit and you can get them to look the same.  Notice the rest of the SC has the same cheesy decor that is typically used by TPTB,  and if they are the same that ITM could have been done any time.

Too bad 3 people including me didn't realize that clothes were irrelevant so we wouldn't have spent time matching the 'I am falling in love' SC to Bryan's HTD. Either ways, my point was not about the timing of the ITM. There is some evidence (her clothes) to suggest that it was Bryan's HTD but IMO there is none so far to suggest that it was Peter's HTD like you had stated (the bolded below). Whether the drapes match or not, I am not sure how Peter's HTD came into the picture. Please point me towards it if I missed something. TYIA!

Even if the ITM was shot at a later time, I am not sure why they would have her wear the same top she was wearing during Bryan's HTD to talk about anyone else except Bryan (JMO).  

Max64 wrote:snipped


Another thing that's been bugging me are those drapes.  I think they are the same drapes that are in Rachel's ITM from Peter's HTD, although the lighting is different, I think they could be the same.

My SC's made from this source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH5Ghj-Z_NM

All JMO

My apologies for trying to make an observation about the drapes possibly being the same, and therefore we don't know for sure when or where the alleged ITM from Bryans HTD was made.  As in the 2nd SC, she's in the same dress but IMO, it was done at another time than in the moment.  I wasn't implying it was good or bad for Bryan or for Peter, just making the observation that the HTD ITM  could have been done at another time. 
Again, my apologies...
JMO

We have not see yet what Rachel wear to the hometown dinner at Peter. The hometown date for Bryan looks like she wore what she had on in the day, but we will see when the time comes. IMHO.

Max64 wrote:
My apologies for trying to make an observation about the drapes possibly being the same, and therefore we don't know for sure when or where the alleged ITM from Bryans HTD was made.  As in the 2nd SC, she's in the same dress but IMO, it was done at another time than in the moment.  I wasn't implying it was good or bad for Bryan or for Peter, just making the observation that the HTD ITM  could have been done at another time. 
Again, my apologies...
JMO

IMO your suggestion about the drapes was a good point regarding the timing of the HTD. I wasn't discounting that at all and I apologize if it came across as such. I only pointed out that the top matched Bryan's HTD coz the mention of Peter's HTD can cause confusion for something that was already sleuthed and there is no evidence so far to suggest that Rachel wore the same top again during Peter's HTD evening.

Whether it was shot in real-time or later, IMO 'I am falling in love' SC is a real clue that Bryan might be the F1 since Rachel said that she only fell in love with one guy. Even if that ITM was shot later, I don't see her changing into the top she wore during Bryan's HTD to talk about Peter (JMO)

All JMO

IMO Clothes definitely matter in sleuthing....so do jewelry, hair, makeup, background and pretty much every big or little detail that may be different based on realtime activity on camera vs ITM or even timing of ITM vs ITM.
@coolangel  ITA with you that IMO...No way would Rachel wear the same stop on her HTD with Peter that she previously wore on her HTD with Bryan.
All JMO

coolangel wrote:

Max64 wrote:
My apologies for trying to make an observation about the drapes possibly being the same, and therefore we don't know for sure when or where the alleged ITM from Bryans HTD was made.  As in the 2nd SC, she's in the same dress but IMO, it was done at another time than in the moment.  I wasn't implying it was good or bad for Bryan or for Peter, just making the observation that the HTD ITM  could have been done at another time. 
Again, my apologies...
JMO

IMO your suggestion about the drapes was a good point regarding the timing of the HTD. I wasn't discounting that at all and I apologize if it came across as such. I only pointed out that the top matched Bryan's HTD coz the mention of Peter's HTD can cause confusion for something that was already sleuthed and there is no evidence so far to suggest that Rachel wore the same top again during Peter's HTD evening.

Whether it was shot in real-time or later, IMO 'I am falling in love' SC is a real clue that Bryan might be the F1 since Rachel said that she only fell in love with one guy. Even if that ITM was shot later, I don't see her changing into the top she wore during Bryan's HTD to talk about Peter (JMO)

All JMO

I wasn't suggesting she wore the same top on Peter's HTD as she did on Bryans.  The observation I was trying to make was that the ITM of her time with Peter was done at another time, her hair is different and she isn't wearing earrings, but she is doing this ITM with these purple drapes.  So TPTB had Rachel  put the same dress back on at another time to do this ITM.   If these purple drapes are the same, and IMO they are, there is a possibility that Rachel did the ITM that we assume she is talking about Bryan on his HTD at another time or location.  

I'm simply trying to connect the drapes to a location.  
JMO

HEA wrote:
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source for the BL HERE

source for the SC HERE

The body language here is loud and clear for me. She has both arms around his neck, and he has one arm sitting there on her leg.

Seabear wrote:IMO Clothes definitely matter in sleuthing....so do jewelry, hair, makeup, background and pretty much every big or little detail that may be different based on realtime activity on camera vs ITM or even timing of ITM vs ITM.
@coolangel  ITA with you that IMO...No way would Rachel wear the same stop on her HTD with Peter that she previously wore on her HTD with Bryan.
All JMO

I was trying to see if the ITM's were done post filming.  My opinion is the one with Peter is done post filming, and since the drapes are the same IMO, The ITM of Bryans HTD could also have been post filming.

My apologies for trying to make an observation.

@GuardianAngel it almost like the the other hand grabbing her backside

@Max64 dont apologize for sleuthing But its also ok if others disagree