Nick Viall & Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - Discussion - #2

Being stuck in airports all day and tired and stressed, perhaps both Vanessa and Nick decided he should wait until he could be there and relax and enjoy his time with Vanessa in her environment.

If Vanessa doesn't care, then why should I? All JMO.

Kashathediva wrote:That's great that one couple does that. Great. And no way in hell would I be doing it. Just saying. Everyone is different. We all have our own plusses and minuses.

LOL, me neither. I will not board a plane for a day or two unless I absolutely have to, because it's more stress than pleasure for me and I don't need more stress in my life. Flying is also highly polluting and we should all be doing less of it, not more. It might seem romantic for a guy to travel across the country just to spend five minutes with his fiancée, but all I can think of is all the wasted fuel. FaceTime has been invented. JMO.

I would've liked to see Nick attend the play, but I don't know their circumstances. Maybe he offered and Vanessa said don't be silly? Maybe she wanted to spend some alone time with her family? Maybe they got a new place and Nick had to finalise the move this week? I don't know, so I'm not gonna judge. Vanessa seems pretty happy and said Nick's arriving next week, so they seem fine to me. It will be interesting to see what happens from now on and how long Nick will stay in Montreal, but I don't see anything alarming so far. JMO.

mprssdbyu wrote:If I learned one thing about V over 10 wks on the show, it is that she wears her heart on her sleeve and from the outside looking in, I see someone very happy and content with whatever arrangements have been made between the two of them. V is clear (VERY) IMO where Nick wants to call his home base. Even I was clear on that before show ended. I think she enjoys the ribbing he gets from interviews about not choosing Montreal. I did notice that a speech therapist from LÀ left a comment on her IG basically trying to recruit her into special needs programs in LA county. V liked the comment as did several of her friends. I do know that V often comments on his mom's IG. As far as V's family, they are private or absent from SM. I couldn't begin to guess how he communicates with them. If I did it would be a BIG assumption on my part. All this to say, if V felt slighted by Nick it would not be a secret. N is a great communicator and as long as he loves V, she will accept nothing less than the expectations she has for her  fiance.    All JMO

I appreciate that both of them tell it to you straight up and don't sugar coat things. However, I do think they are making a conscious effort to keep their relationship private as much as possible. The best gauge we have of how they are doing is that they have been together doing normal things and the apparent smiles on their faces when they look at each other. I'm so glad we have gotten to see them in public through DWTS and red carpet appearances in LA. Hopefully Nick will make some appearances with Vanessa in Montreal as she promotes her charity.

ReneeM wrote:I'm comparing IMO how S + K were immediately post show (which was them integrating each other into their entire lives, families & friends included, and travelling to make that happen), to how N + V are immediately post show (very secluded). Not a 2 year relationship to a new one. I didn't bring up Boothestowe, someone else raised the comparison and I disagreed. Nick's been off DWTS like 3 weeks now so that excuse doesn't really hold water IMO. It just seems to me that everything so far's been on Nick's terms and that's all good. Maybe they'll be one of those couples who don't care about compromise and equality in a relationship, w/e floats their boat. I would think it's ugly, that's JMO. We'll see if he ever gets to Montreal, and how long he stays there. All JMO.

I'll agree. Nick and Vanessa are absoluty nothing like K and S. They did pretty much nothing for almost a year, but party drink get drunk and crash wedding's and trash anyone that they could on SM. They definitly weren't in hiding, and very much in your face.

As we all know, Nick was involved in DWTS right after his season. I'm not sure how he could physically take time off to go to Montreal. Vanessa was with him every step of the way, supporting him and even doing routines at home with him. Both sides of the family came to visit. Is that not supportive? To me that is an indication of support for the couple. They discussed the DWTS offer, together, said so themselves, so I'm not sure how everything is under his terms. What else is under his terms? Vanessa was there every Monday night supporting him. Was that fake on her part? Did he make her go? I understand some don't care for him them whatever, but do we need to post information that 's not correct just to prove that another couple is much better?

Once it was over, he has been working on his new business venture. Meanwhile Vanessa has continuously been working on her charity foundation which is in the proces of putting together a board of directors. This is a charity to service all of Canada. This isn't a small go fund me page.

They've been busy looking for a new place to call home. Vanessa went to Montreal for various reasons. To meet her right hand person for the foundation, to support her students who had a concert that they have been working on for months, and of course to visit her family. She has been in the US all this time to support Nick. Nick has counteless times included Vanessa in all interviews, as well as plugging her charity. He's going to Montreal soon, because the timing is right. Why go for a few days when he needs to be in L.A practings, that makes no sense to me. How long is he suppose to stay there to make it acceptable? He's not going to stay there forever, weeks, months. Why should he. Vanessa lives in a different country. She must spend time in that country until the proper paperwork is completed for her to be able to be free to stay in the US, plus she is working. In the meantime they had date nights, have been to several functions and red carpets together and we've seen glimpses of them at home relaxing.

What else is expected of a couple that's been together for two months.

I guess time will tell.

I'm a little skeptical about Nick's commitment (for reasons I do not want to bring up again because it is bound to start numerous pages of disagreement). But hoping he will spend an extended time with his girl, esp. given her amazing display of commitment to him so far.

Invested so much time into this guy so fingers crossed!

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ReneeM wrote:I KNOW Nick's performing in the finale, I watch DWTS it's par for the course every season for eliminated contestants to participate in the finale. He's been rehearsing his finale # for 3 weeks? And their families quick jaunts to la here and there is not the same as spending quality time together getting to know each other IMO but it also underscores my point about everything being on his terms and what works for him. JMO.


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What works for one couple, won't necessarily work for everyone. Ben and Lauren spent TONS of time with each other's families in the beginning. TONS. The opposite of seclusion. And here they are - d.o.n.e. Nick and Vanessa are older, they had Dancing to contend with, perhaps Nick just isn't that close to his family to need them out holding his hand - he IS nearly 40 years old. What I've seen so far is all good signs for them - especially if he goes to Montreal now and puts in solid time. They have to do them and do the relationship on their terms. Sometimes "seclusion" is good. It's hard to compare Nick and Vanessa to anyone post show at this stage, outside of like SeanCat and Chris/Whitney, cause Dancing just made their circumstances different from others.

Actually, I think one of the reasons Nick didn't go to Canada...in addition to having to rehearse and appear on the final of DWTS...was that he was in the process of launching his business. Between that and DWTS, there was not much time to get to Canada and back....particularly if they were planning an extended stay once DWTS was done.

Also, while they were still hiding during the show, Nick apparently snuck into Canada for about 10 days to spend with Vanessa in Toronto. This is where we believe orange couch gate happened.

aviej wrote:^I agree with this. I don't want to compare with other couples from the franchise...but...I have seen cases where one party rushes home from work in another state to be with the other - even just for 2-3 days, then flies back out again for work. I don't think money is an issue with these two. But to me, it would have made a statement on the relationship had Nick gone with Vanessa to Canada. I know of a couple in the franchise for whom the guy literally flies from west coast to east coast to just pick up his fiancé to bring her over to west coast just because he doesn't want her to travel alone. So yeah, I am thinking he's not gonna spend a bunch of time in Canada. I would love to be proven wrong. But it would have been a nice gesture to escort her back home, since this is the first time she's coming back after such a long time. But I guess they are doing things on their terms based on what works for them. So I hope it works.

I don't think Vanessa has an issue with travelling on her own like apparently JoJo does. It's sweet that Jordan does that for her, but it doesn't mean that every fiancé has to do that...or that the woman even wants them to. Different strokes for different folks.

Both Nick and Vanessa have been plenty busy between her charity and his business launch and DWTS and having their friends and family visiting them during this time. Neither seem to the worse for wear, if anything, they look pretty darn happy. For me, there no point in speculating what might happen in the future, until DWTS is done. Once they start their regular life, then we will get a better idea of how things are progressing.

Nick is still under contract with dwts, y'all. Yeah, I would have loved for him to be at her students show, but he had to film packages with Peta and Maks (the I heart Maks shirt one). Those are not just fun times being had, those are contractual You Have To Do This type stuff. Just because he wasn't physically there doesn't mean he didn't send his love and support to her and the performers. They are actually pretty private so there's no telling what kind of message or gesture he sent her the night of the play. Those are things we will never know nor should we.

He was buying a car today. Maybe she's going to get the Ford they've been driving or maybe he's getting her a car. We know they are looking for a place to live but in the meantime she's gotta stay in Canada for a while. I have faith he will visit often!!

My thought is that they has been driving a rent car provided by ABC during his Bachelor/DWTS commitment. Now that DWTS is ending, they need to get their own place an own car.

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It was just underscoring my original point, disagreeing about Nick being like Shawn. I don't think Nick even comes close to being as devoted to Vanessa and Shawn's proven to be with Kaitlyn. Yes they partied and got drunk seemingly all the time, it's not my style but it worked for them. It was both their things, not one with the other just tagging along, unlike N/V IMO. Vanessa can say w/e but this is the girl who harped all season about how important her family was to her? Unless she was lying, which I don't think she was. I don't like the girl but her closeness to her family is similar to mine, most of my family lives in a different country  and when I was in my most serious relationship I couldn't wait to take that person home and spend good quality time with them and have them get to know my family and vice versa, and experience my culture. They've got some cute IG pics I guess, but this relationship is ugly IMO. She's just happy to be there rn, but a woman like Vanessa? I don't see that lasting long. All Jmo.

aviej wrote:^I agree with this. I don't want to compare with other couples from the franchise...but...I have seen cases where one party rushes home from work in another state to be with the other - even just for 2-3 days, then flies back out again for work. I don't think money is an issue with these two. But to me, it would have made a statement on the relationship had Nick gone with Vanessa to Canada. I know of a couple in the franchise for whom the guy literally flies from west coast to east coast to just pick up his fiancé to bring her over to west coast just because he doesn't want her to travel alone. So yeah, I am thinking he's not gonna spend a bunch of time in Canada. I would love to be proven wrong. But it would have been a nice gesture to escort her back home, since this is the first time she's coming back after such a long time. But I guess they are doing things on their terms based on what works for them. So I hope it works.

Oh goodness. Well then that couple wins at... what? Life? The big prize? BestBachelorCoupleOfAllTimeOMG? The comparisons and propping certain couples up at the expense of others, to tear them down, gets so tired. The couple mentioned above does life how they see best for them. Others may approach their relationship differently. That doesn't make one couple better than another. Not by a lot shot. We don't know the ins and outs of these relationships. For all we know the "amazing couple" goes to such great lengths to to see one and other because of trust issues. Just devils advocate right there. Not saying that's what I think.

JMO.