Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - FRC - ATFR - Mar 13 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

northernviewer wrote:Theyre really trying to sell her hard to the viewing public ....sorry but I'm not buying into Rachel and wont be watching her season.   It has nothing to do with her colour...its just her I dont care for....but you can bet her sweet patooty that thats what'll be the issue if her ratings are low.   only decent lead material they had this season IMO was Danielle.  Heck...Id have even watched Corinne over Rachel or Raven.  

On paper, Rachel has everything going for her plus she's gorgeous. But, she's bores me no matter how much she giggles through her dates or convinces herself that she has a hard time vocalizing her emotions. I'm not even 50% certain that she's ready to find her "one and only". If she couldn't open up to one person, how is she supposed to with several men she will be dating?

The only way I can be swayed to watch is if her F3 are viable candidates. I will be lurking for a while to see if any the season is any good.

Mgrissom wrote:

Alanna wrote:Imo Nick cares about Nick and Nick's wants and dreams. If V is convenient to be around, fine, why not? If not, there are always 17 other 25 year olds Nick can sleep with from this franchise so no biggie to him IMO.

This is not the Nick I have seen with Vanessa - caring for her on the 1st date, listening to her when confronted with Corrine in bouncy castle, and continuing to pursue her even when he knows that she is not going to easily give up her life in Canada.

I did not watch Kaitlyn or Andi's seasons and I watched this season because I liked Nick.  When I looked back at videos, I liked that he called out Andi for "making love" in the FS.  I would not be surprised if Vanessa did not "go all the way" with Nick in the FS if there were still questions about whether or not they would be together in the end.

All that talk about her family in Montreal and her job with those students she loves so much, just to move to LA in the end and sit in the dwts audience every week. And praise Nick! He is so awesome for continuing to pursue despite her 'reservations', even though in the end he's the one who gets everything he wants IMO. #relationshipgoals

ReneeM wrote:

Mgrissom wrote:

Alanna wrote:Imo Nick cares about Nick and Nick's wants and dreams. If V is convenient to be around, fine, why not? If not, there are always 17 other 25 year olds Nick can sleep with from this franchise so no biggie to him IMO.

This is not the Nick I have seen with Vanessa - caring for her on the 1st date, listening to her when confronted with Corrine in bouncy castle, and continuing to pursue her even when he knows that she is not going to easily give up her life in Canada.

I did not watch Kaitlyn or Andi's seasons and I watched this season because I liked Nick.  When I looked back at videos, I liked that he called out Andi for "making love" in the FS.  I would not be surprised if Vanessa did not "go all the way" with Nick in the FS if there were still questions about whether or not they would be together in the end.

All that talk about her family in Montreal and her job with those students she loves so much, just to move to LA in the end and sit in the dwts audience every week. And praise Nick! He is so awesome for continuing to  pursue despite her 'reservations', even though in the end he's the one who gets everything he wants IMO. #relationshipgoals  

I highly doubt she planned to live with her family or remain the teacher for her students for the rest of her life. DWTS is a few week stint, who knows where Nick and Vanessa will go after that. IMO DWTS is a once in a lifetime amazing opportunity, why on earth would Nick pass it up, and Vanessa seems to want to support him. What's wrong with that?

Cocoasneeze wrote: -snipped-
I highly doubt she planned to live with her family or remain the teacher for her students for the rest of her life. DWTS is a few week stint, who knows where Nick and Vanessa will go after that. IMO DWTS is a once in a lifetime amazing opportunity, why on earth would Nick pass it up, and Vanessa seems to want to support him. What's wrong with that?

You'll catch the wave in approximately 7-9 months IMO.

I still go back to people who have done DWTS saying it's terrible for a new relationship. I doubt it will be any different for Nick and Vanessa. Well considering I don't think his end goal is marrying her I'm sure he doesn't really care that much. He probably can't wait for the paps to follow them home from the after party every week.

JMOAA

2ndcampbell wrote:"Historicness"?! (I hate that new word, MF. It's lame.)  I thought tonight's is ATFR and not BTFR (Before The First Rose).

If they needed to fill 3 hours there are other ways to do it. They could have at least explain this season's haphazard editing. First, the connections or romantic entanglements. Were there not many entanglements that they had a hard time convincing us that Nick was torn? Second, suppposedly the women had issues with each other. Where were these issues besides Corrine's emotional intelligence and Taylor's condescending manner?

This BTFR better be just 5 minutes parade of men.

The bolded would be my guess. There really isn't anything new to talk to her about at this point since she was interviewed on JK and WTA.

I'm gonna have to wait and see what their long-term plans are before I stone anyone. DWTS lasts a few weeks and the F1 always stays in LA during it. How is this any different? There is life beyond the immediate future and I'm sure Vanessa has plenty of time and opportunity to follow her passions in life, no matter what happens with Nick and where they decide to live (together or separately). JMO.

Well their relationship just started. They haven't even been out in public for a day. It's not like its been 5 years and Vanessa has been sacrificing all along with Nick pursuing all that he wants. She has already started her own charity while others were busy disliking her publicly. That's using her fame for a noble cause. I would hardly call it just sitting in the audience for DWTS.

Loving someone and supporting them in their pursuits does not mean loving your family or your job any less. Relationships involve sacrifices and compromising. IMO People don't stand a chance if both think in terms of 'I' and not 'We'. Nick has wanted to do DWTS for a long time. I don't see anything wrong with V supporting him in that. When the opportunity presents itself, I am sure Nick would do the same for her.

All JMO.

Alanna wrote:So V needs to quit her job so Nick can continue chasing fame and his modeling career? Awesome.

I'm actually curious to see this atfr.

She had a good flirtation with media/entertainment prior to ever meeting Nick. I doubt force was involved. No gun was shoved down her throat is my guess.

In an interview after epi 2 "the slap" was mentioned and the interviewer said she hoped that was the only time he was slapped to which he replied "maybe".  Possible the the Hoxie Stiletto Queen might resurface when rejected
I'm 60:40.

Idc what vanesaa does. If she stays in LA and chases fame with Nick for the rest of ever, then more power to the both of them. Imo she is not this great one of a kind, special needs teacher, only interested in love, looking to make a difference in the world that is so much better than shark dolphin girl or anyone else shilling products and trying to be d list celebrity. She, and he, are just like the majority of other contestants imo. They are no worse than the rest, but sure as heck no better either IMO.

People who go on the Bachelor have already altered their life course ...theyre looking for an adventure and maybe ..just maybe...find love. Extending it with DWTS is part of that course for the odd lead....just an extension of the Bachelor journey. Who cares where this leads them? Have fun and enjoy. My life goes on and if I like you...I'll enjoy your ride too...if I dont ...I'll turn off my tv.