Bachelor In Paradise - Season 4 - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Mustang19 wrote:I'm still trying to withhold judgement, but if true that they were still filming two days later, it seems as the whole incident didn't matter too much to Corrine that she isn't the one who reported it. A producer did, and wasn't even there. If Corrine felt violated, she could have reported it then. Yes, TPTB provide all the means necessary for drunken escapades, but there is still personal responsibility. Wasn't it JPG who didn't or hardly drank on his season? That was his choice. I'm sure in all the Bach and Bachette seasons, as well as BIP and Pad, that there have been sexual encounters before, even caught on tape. I would find it very hard to believe this was the first. It doesn't sound as though this was something violent or against her will, etc. as some reports say she was the aggressor. Corrine needs to take some personal responsibility and look at her behavior for her part in this. IMO.  The whole thing is a mess and pretty pathetic.

“Let me start by saying the safety and care of the cast and crew of our show is of the utmost importance to us. It is with this thought in mind that we made the decision to suspend filming. An investigation into the situation was started immediately,” the statement continues. “Warner Bros. is handling the details of that investigation. They’re moving quickly to gather all the facts, and once that’s done, a clear, concise decision can be made about where we go from here.”

“There are a lot of competing details in the various press accounts of the incident. And there’s a lot of misinformation out there too. We urge everyone to be patient until the investigation is complete,” his statement reads.

The statement concludes: “I know in this day and age we want — and even expect — immediate answers, but in this case, it’s just not possible. So again, I urge you to please be patient and respect the privacy of the parties involved. I will keep you as informed and up to date as I possibly can. We’re sorry for any inconvenience and disappointment this may have caused the cast, the crew and our loyal fans. It is my sincere hope that we can come to a quick resolution on this and get back to work very soon.”

Zaynab wrote:Don't know if this has been posted but some info from Alexis and Dominique. From Dominique "I literally wasn't there, I didn't see anything happen, at all. I think a lot of it is up to personal interpretation," she explained. "Whoever is making these allegations, I guess interpreted it one way, the parties may interpret it another way, and I think that that is what is really being disputed. So, I literally don't know what's true and what's not true. It kind of went from 0 to a 100 really quickly, and you know, we are all kind of confused." She went on to explain why she doesn't think the show should be canceled.

"For this cycle, I think it's best probably not to [continue filming]. As a series as a whole, I don't think they should cancel it. I think it's a great show. We can all agree 'Bachelor in Paradise' is probably one of the better of the three shows. It's very fun, it's very tongue and cheek," she said. "And it's much more laid back, which obviously can be room to, for things to go awry which can happen in any show. But I don't think they should cancel it. I hope they don't cancel it. It's one of my favorite shows, personally. I'd love to be able to do it next summer if we get a chance to."

From Alexis Alexis also said producers do "look out for us as much as possible" and the cast members themselves all "kinda help each other out" when it comes to getting "too inebriated" while filming.

"We've never been encouraged to do anything that we were not comfortable with. I know that's a rumor but that's not true," she said. "We are all, you know, adults, we're all over the age of 21, whatever we decide to do, you know what I mean like, if we decide to drink, if we decide to hook up, that's completely within our power."

"I've never ever been encouraged to do anything I never wanted to do, you are at liberty to walk away and say no from whatever you want, so I think in this scenario it's very interesting you know to see that this may be called into question but as a cast mate I've never feared, you know, being put in a scenario where I would be taken advantage of," she added.
Alexis also explained that the reaction to this story online has made her "pretty angry," as many of the show's contestants have experienced backlash over their disappointment in production being halted.

"I think we've been sort of accused of a lack of, like, empathy and I think that's been a little unwarranted," she explained. "So I think a lot of us are really upset about the backlash we've received."

"To be honest, I'm kinda angry at fans who have ... I'd rather I would say online trolls who have kinda jumped the gun and assumed that, you know, we as cast mates are lacking empathy for [Corinne]," Alexis explained. "And I think that's not true at all ... a lot of us, unfortunately, are legally bound by our contracts. We're not allowed to say any details. So all we can really say is, you know, it's unfortunate, we're upset that this happened, and that's pretty much that, at liberty, all we're allowed to say."
http://toofab.com/2017/06/13/bachelor-in-paradise-scandal-chris-harrison-former-contestant-speak-out-on-production-shutdown/

MiaHawk wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/health/blackouts-drinking-book-sarah-hepola/index.html

This is an informative article about getting blackout drunk and raises some of the questions about consent.

MiaHawk wrote:I must admit that I was clueless about the exact nature of being 'blackout drunk'. So I googled it. Above I posted a link to an article on CNN in which the author describes her own experiences. One of the things she says is that you can be engaged in activities and appear that you are totally functional to others, walking, talking, driving, having sex, but that your brain kind of goes offline and stops recording the events. Later your brain comes back online and you have no memory of the events that have taken place. Frightening as hell! IMO.

So, it shows me that she could have been 'fully engaged' (as was the description in one of the eye witness accounts) and still suffer from a blackout of memory of what occurred. Blackout does not equal pass out.  She could have been drunk and encouraging, initiating, and actively participating the activities, even though she was technically too drunk to give consent (under a legal standard of being able to give consent).  

The entire consent issue is very, very tricky.  Consent is not the same as absence of saying NO. Obviously, if she said NO she is NOT consenting. But, just because she did not say NO, does not mean that she DID give consent. The burden for proving that consent was given, as I understand it, is on the man (or other person) if the woman later claims she never gave consent. This is why there recently have been phone apps designed that guys and girls are encouraged to use to document consent. Sounds absurd and certainly not romantic, but this is just a sign of the times in which we are living. IMO.

Alcohol/substance muddies the waters even further by impairing the person's ability to process what is going on and objecting. Yet I ask...how is a partner supposed to know how drunk is too drunk to consent? Nobody has a Breathalyzer in their bedroom. Typically, signatures are not collected and apps are not used, so the partner relies on behavior and cues they are getting, signs that the person is an interested and willing participant. If a woman is throwing herself on top of the man, etc etc, the message she is sending is that she is willing, implying that she is giving consent.   If a drunk person (even black out drunk level) is capable of walking, talking, driving, and having sex, they appear functional and therefore may not appear too impaired to be in control of their decisions. How is a partner supposed to know for sure? Especially if he himself has been drinking and his judgment may be impaired as well? The whole thing is very, very risky. IMO.

After reading the article, I was better able to see that the various parties may have interpreted things that were happening differently, and she may have appeared 'fully engaged' and still have no memory of what she did the next day. Again, frightening as hell. IMO.

WhisperingLove wrote:Not sure if I can ask this here but why is the squad so hated? Is it because they're a squad?