Bachelor In Paradise - Season 4 - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

ReneeM wrote:

mindless wrote:

ReneeM wrote:It just bugs me that Demario's catching all the heat for this if they were both wasted. Demario allegedly has a history with harassment, but Corinne also has a history IMO of lying and not taking responsibility for her actions.

Is he though? Not on this board anyway IMO. Corinne's previous antics have been mentioned more than Demario's from what I've seen. I know I feel unable to blindly trust Demario's word simply because we've already seen him try to lie his way out of a difficult situation once, but if they were both as drunk as it sounds, then it's the show I blame the most. If they keep supplying these people with drinks until they lose all inhibitions then they should step in when things get out of hand. No one should be sexually taken advantage of on set, whether it's two drunks taking advantage of each other, one drunk taking advantage of the other, or the producers taking advantage of two drunks by filming them. JMO.

I wasn't speaking about the board. I mean in the media. IMO I see the writing on the wall and the undertone in the articles coming out today. I see that Corinne herself is being quiet, but it's obvious IMO she has her friends speaking as a proxy for her, and the story they're trying to spin. I also think that because Corinne's a woman, TPTB will have to tread carefully in accusing her of anything & it'll be easiest to blame the entire thing on Demario. I'm not blindly trusting DeMario, I'm just pointing out that they both have a history of trying to lie their way out of situations that might be portrayed as unflattering to them, & IF both parties were wasted, then it's not just Demario's fault. All JMO.

Kashathediva wrote:

sweeti810 wrote:If they were both hammered, then neither could give consent, so I don't believe either were taken advantage of. Because of Corinne's past behavior, I bet producers didn't think it was out of the norm and didn't think twice about it until the producer filed the complaint because of what she heard. I think after they showed Corinne the video, she regretted it and claimed she was too drunk to consent. IMO, for her to be that drunk and allow that type of sexual activity to happen in front of people, she had to be blackout drunk, so she wouldn't even remember if it was consensual or not. I don't like either of them, but I will feel bad for DeMario if Corinne is playing the victim card because she doesn't want to be held accountable for her disgusting behavior. Hopefully we get the truth sooner rather than later.

There are lots of grey areas and issues.
What is the definition (and if it goes to court) the legal definition of "hammered"?
Were blood alcohol levels taken?
When taping was halted, were basic questions of orientation asked like they do on sobriety tests?  Where are you? What is your name?
Did someone actually lose consciousness? Were vital signs taken? Was first aid rendered or needed? (Does not sound like it.)
When someone blacks out they generally can not hold their head up. How did they maintain their head above the water?
Lots of questions that can not be taken at face value that reviewing a film will answer vs speculation.

sweeti810 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

sweeti810 wrote:If they were both hammered, then neither could give consent, so I don't believe either were taken advantage of. Because of Corinne's past behavior, I bet producers didn't think it was out of the norm and didn't think twice about it until the producer filed the complaint because of what she heard. I think after they showed Corinne the video, she regretted it and claimed she was too drunk to consent. IMO, for her to be that drunk and allow that type of sexual activity to happen in front of people, she had to be blackout drunk, so she wouldn't even remember if it was consensual or not. I don't like either of them, but I will feel bad for DeMario if Corinne is playing the victim card because she doesn't want to be held accountable for her disgusting behavior. Hopefully we get the truth sooner rather than later.

There are lots of grey areas and issues.
What is the definition (and if it goes to court) the legal definition of "hammered"?
Were blood alcohol levels taken?
When taping was halted, were basic questions of orientation asked like they do on sobriety tests?  Where are you? What is your name?
Did someone actually lose consciousness? Were vital signs taken? Was first aid rendered or needed? (Does not sound like it.)
When someone blacks out they generally can not hold their head up. How did they maintain their head above the water?
Lots of questions that can not be taken at face value that reviewing a film will answer vs speculation.

That is false. It's definitely possible to be a functioning human being without remembering it. I know first hand from my college days.

GuardianAngel wrote:@Ladybug82 Thanks!

I'm surprised the producer who filed the complaint didn't witness it. She then must have been told by....?

Did I miss it in the article? TYIA

Our sources say the field producer in question was assigned to shadow Corinne, and began hearing stories from people on the set that Corinne was so drunk she had no idea what was going on in the pool. It's unclear if the producer watched the incident, but we know she has NOT seen the footage.

MissSid wrote:As I suspected, Corinne's side commenting to TMZ:

Corinne Olympios on 'BiP'

This is going to be a mess.

We're told the day after the swimming pool incident she claims fellow cast members began telling her stories of what went down with DeMario. She says several cast members told her they had voiced concern to people on the production crew that she was in no position to consent to sexual activity, but the crew did not heed their warnings.

Production sources insist other cast members did not complain to anyone that Corinne was too drunk to form an intent to have sexual contact with DeMario.
Corinne has told her friends she has a boyfriend and wouldn't have done what she did -- especially with cameras rolling -- to jeopardize that relationship.

As we reported, sources familiar with the footage say she appeared "fully engaged." Corrine doesn't fully blame DeMario because he too was drunk. She blames producers and has lawyered up.
"Bachelor in Paradise" has been shut down as Warner Bros investigates.