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Post by Alanna Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:06 pm

2observe wrote:Can someone explain how what happened on BIP is any different when what happened to Ben and his F1 when they were taped having sex in the ocean??? If I remember correct Ben and his F1 had been drinking alot also.  I wonder why the TPTB/Warnerbros., didn't take any actions back then.  Just saying....
Sounds like someone is reporting a crime was committed, guessing sexual assault.


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Post by nd4reality Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:15 pm

JMO I hope the remaining cast members learn something from this episode. Who am I kidding they probably will not.


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Post by emusha Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:18 pm

IMO production is going to come out of all this looking rosy cos none of the cast IMO would want to bite the hand that feeds them ...
What's really sad is the franchise will probably very easily and swiftly throw the two biggest cash/ratings cows - Corinne and Demario under the bus.

The girls on this fb live though are so annoying and incredibly immature. They are making assumptions and accusations when they are telling people not to. They even read out a comment by someone who was saying production should never have put Demario in the show knowing how he got sent home. And they were discussing how Corinne probably went to BIP to be black out drunk but knowing because she's going to be watched at all times nothing very horrible was going to happen.

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Post by Kashathediva Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:19 pm

2observe wrote:Can someone explain how what happened on BIP is any different when what happened to Ben and his F1 when they were taped having sex in the ocean??? If I remember correct Ben and his F1 had been drinking alot also.  I wonder why the TPTB/Warnerbros., didn't take any actions back then.  Just saying....

What you are saying bears lots of merit I said this much earlier in the day to someone else: It makes production out to be the winner by stopping it. It's production vs cast because ultimately it is up to an adult to stop and act maturely. Production ceased when it had to.
The issue in my mind is --this was surely not the first time. Not by far. Not close.
By doing this several things are accomplished...
It allows TPTB to dump BIP if they choose and go with an entirely new format next year if the games take off.
I also wonder if TPTB had something against Corinne and DeMario? or if they simply waited until they had the right pigeons this season.



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Post by Cocoasneeze Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:19 pm

Ok, the sexual part of this aside, if the cast and production saw, that Corinne was too drunk to give consent, why the heck did the allow her to and stay in the swimming pool or hot tub? How many times do people have to be told, that pools and passed out drunk people don't mix?

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:25 pm

Courtney wrote in her book that production helped her plan the skinny dip with Ben, so whether she had a few glasses of wine or not, it was something she planned while sober. And I don't remember Ben stating he was drunk during the skinny dip. And none of them has ever claimed in wasn't consentual.
There is a huge difference between having had something to drink and too drunk the give consent. The limit here is not like driving.
Correct me if I'm wrong of course.

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Post by ReneeM Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:28 pm

It just bugs me that Demario's catching all the heat for this if they were both wasted. Demario allegedly has a history with harassment, but Corinne also has a history IMO of lying and not taking responsibility for her actions.

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Post by MiaHawk Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:32 pm

Kashathediva wrote:
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I dunno but Jasmine and Alexis are still following DeMario but not Corinne so they seem to be on his side.

I don't see why Corinne and DeMario aren't both being seen as victims in this situation, they were both really drunk, and maybe neither of them could have consented, and there were sober producers and contestants around who could have stepped in at any second but seemingly didn't apart from one producer who tried.

I will play devil's advocate:
There is a loose script in play.
There was liquor voluntarily ingested.
Were there stages of undress or limited clothing? If so did they undress themselves? or each other?
At what stage in the process does someone as a bystander involve themselves? When? During heavy kissing? During major undressing? During petting?
Then add in risk factor of involved person or persons being physically harmed.
Egg shells.
Production is advised of what to do and from it sounds like they did it when they did it.

You bring up many good questions.
I don't know the facts in this case, but in general, I think people tend to downplay the seriousness of things they are witnessing. Why? Could be that they don't want to intervene and be seen as the tattletale, hall monitor, police man, prude. Could also be that they cannot be mindreader and know for certain how impaired another person is. Different bodies react differently to alcohol and even the person serving the drinks may not realize the level of impairment at the time of handing over another drink, which could be the one to put the person over the edge. Also, seems, IMO, that social morality is so relative that people don't even know what 'acceptable first date' behavior is anymore! It is pretty disgusting to me to think that witnesses (cast or crew) may have thought that this was normal behavior. But, like was said before, at least one of the people involved had shown a series of lewd behavior previously, so maybe when this was witnessed it wasn't seen as unusual for this person. I don't know. The whole thing is crazy. JMHO.
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Post by Kashathediva Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:33 pm

It's on tape. That will shed a lot of light. It will be difficult to lie. To claim forgetfulness is another matter. I wonder if anyone got blood alcohol levels. I saw no mention of that, so I guess not.

ETA @Miahawk so exactly.  I remember being told not to make "eye contact" with people walking on the street" when I first moved to the east coast. Now when I look back on that comment 26 yrs later, it's ridiculous.
But is it? There are kids going around sledge hammering people. For fun. It's a contest. Go to Time Square. Sponge Bob cops a feel. There is a topless Mini Mouse. Senior citizens are being beaten in what is considered nice areas for their cell phones. For their freaking cell phones!
Yes, there are plenty of nice people, too. Plenty. I would like to think more than the crazies.
I guess my point is what do you do and when do you do it? It's all a matter of personal conscience.


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Post by emusha Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:39 pm

provenceguy wrote:This from TMZ:

"Bachelor in Paradise" was shut down because a field producer filed a complaint that Corinne Olympios seemed so drunk the first day of filming she had no ability to consent to DeMario Jackson's sexual moves in a swimming pool, and producers nonetheless let it play out on film.

The producer in question believes Corinne may have been sexually assaulted, although we know DeMario claims the encounter was not only consensual ... she was the instigator.

TMZ broke the story of DeMario's version of events ... that he and Corinne were drinking heavily and making out at the bar. She suggested they take it to the swimming pool, where they took their clothes off and began "rubbing, touching and fingering." He also claims she put her genitals in his face and he began licking. He says he was unable to consummate things because he was so drunk.

Our sources say the field producer in question was assigned to shadow Corinne, and began hearing stories from people on the set that Corinne was so drunk she had no idea what was going on in the pool. It's unclear if the producer watched the incident, but we know she has NOT seen the footage.


People familiar with the footage tell TMZ Corinne appears "fully engaged." As we reported, after the complaint was filed Warner Bros immediately dismissed both DeMario and Corinne and launched an investigation into "misconduct."
http://www.tmz.com/2017/06/12/bachelor-in-paradise-sexual-assault-corinne-olympios-demario-jackson/

I find this very interesting. Based on this, the producer who filed the complaint was not on set during the event, and did not see the footage but heard from people that Corinne was not coherent during the sexual act. That producer filed a complaint against the show that producers continued to film rather than stop what was happening.


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Post by Ladybug82 Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:40 pm

This might be the first and only time I'll ever agree with AshLee. laugh out loud

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Post by Spoil Me Again Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:41 pm

ReneeM wrote:It just bugs me that Demario's catching all the heat for this if they were both wasted. Demario allegedly has a history with harassment, but Corinne also has a history IMO of lying and not taking responsibility for her actions.

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