Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #4

My friend got Vanessa and thought it was fate. Did I mention that she really loves Vanessa? The moment she spoke French, that was it for her.

I got Raven. Probably because I said I would be most likely to punch a shark in the face.

I got Vanessa.

I got Rachel.

Sharleen linked to this in her Flare column and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on this season.

An Open Letter to The Bachelor's Nick Viall re: Why This Season Sucks

Vanessa.

Meh, that article is blaming Nick for stuff he has nothing to do with like the crappy cliff-hangers. Nor does it take into account that there's hours and hours of footage left on the cutting room floor, so your guess is as good as mine when it comes to what was discussed. I admit I'm most likely biased, but I'm so over all the surface level recaps and opinions. I think he's just a one woman man and gave most his true attention to Vanessa, which they stopped showing after week 3. I can't blame him or anyone for not getting super close to people he knows he's not gonna have a future with. JMO.

bleuberry wrote:Sharleen linked to this in her Flare column and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on this season.

An Open Letter to The Bachelor's Nick Viall re: Why This Season Sucks

I feel the opposite of this article. It actually made me a little angry blaming Nick for the wonky season. Nick has tried harder than anyone in Bachelor world to make a tv relationship work. Time after time. And to say that he isn't trying hard enough or not taking it seriously. Really? I think he has taken it much more seriously than most Bachelors before him. And the part about ever really changing.... I don't think he ever really did change. He is the same old Nick I loved the first time around. And the charge that he is just doing it for fame is getting really, really old. I mean what does this guy have to do to make people happy. First he is trying to hard and then he is not trying hard enough.

IMO it all has to do with storyboard and editing.
The lead does what the lead does for the most part. The lead is not responsible for casting. The lead is not involved in storyboard. The lead is not involved in editing.

bleuberry wrote:Sharleen linked to this in her Flare column and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on this season.

An Open Letter to The Bachelor's Nick Viall re: Why This Season Sucks

Personally, I disagree with most of the article not because I don't think this season is boring in places but coz I don't think it is Nick's fault. My review on their theories:

Theory 1: You’re not trying hard enough
Nick has no control over what gets shown and when approx. 112 hours get condensed into 2 hours every week, it's a given that almost everything which doesn't fit the storyboard will be left on the cutting room floor. Maybe Nick had those deep meaningful 'raw' conversations but TPTB chose to show us Corrine talking about her platinum vagine, Raven talking about her orgasms and Jasmine talking about chokey. Is that Nick's fault? I don't think so. Also, when you cast a maximum number of 23-25 year old's for a 36 year old man, there are only so many connections he can form.

Theory 2: You’re not taking it seriously (case in point: Corinne)
Considering Corinne did not get a 1-1 till F4 when 3 women got 2 in the same time period, IMO keeping Corrine around wasn't Nick's choice. He probably understood the concept of 'Pick your battles' IMO.

Theory 3: You never really changed
Can't say anything about this one since the Nick I saw on BIP is the same person who was labelled the villain on Andi's season. Has he evolved and grown since then? Yes. Everyone does IMO. But for me he was never this bad guy who redeemed himself on BIP and is now back to his old ways.

Theory 4: You did all of this to further your “career”
Personally, I don't think anyone goes on this show just for love. There is always an additional motivation be it fame, money, career, BIP hookups,etc. So why Nick should be treated differently is beyond me and I don't see how that has anything to do with why the show sucks. They say that his motivations are questionable coz he is doing DWTS but the others wanted to do it too. The only difference being they weren't allowed to. So aren't their motivations questionable too?

Sorry for the lengthy post. All JMO.

ETA: @mindless, @OnePromise, @Kashathediva, Just read your posts! ITA!

Kashathediva wrote:IMO it all has to do with storyboard and editing.
The lead does what the lead does for the most part. The lead is not responsible for casting. The lead is not involved in storyboard. The lead is not involved in editing.

Agree 100%. What kind of editing for the lead should we expect if the storyboard this season is that he gets rejected by everyone?

I realize he isn't in control of certain things. Doesn't make the season any less sucky IMO. He seems checked out. It's odd. Production did him no favours. In fact it feels like they sabotaged what could have been a decent season. Makes no sense.