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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by MVMom39forever Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:49 pm
notarose wrote:I think Raven is an accomplished young woman with a unique sense of humor. I also think that her muddy waters HTD showed her to be awkward and inexperienced in the womanly art of seduction so her big secret was foreshadowed in retrospect.
Was the doctor not only her first sexual partner but also her first "love"? If so then I am lenient because the first heartbreak IMO is the "craziest" because it's virgin territory with no frame of reference to draw coping skills from.
IMO Raven needs more experience with men in order to learn her wants, needs, and what she herself has to offer. I think part of transitioning to womanhood includes confidence in one's own sexuality.
Personally, I'm giving her a "pass" because she is where she is in life experience. No points for hitting below the belt though. It's not a statement the guy has a hope in hell of defending...ever.
Fair enough. Will wait to see what unfolds and hope that I still respect her in the end as I am betting that we have not seen the last of Raven. I want to like her going forward
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by Guest Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:50 pm
why would raven say this after their fantasy suite? " says “Nick is a man of his word,” etc."
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by atem Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:56 pm
notarose wrote:I think Raven is an accomplished young woman with a unique sense of humor. I also think that her muddy waters HTD showed her to be awkward and inexperienced in the womanly art of seduction so her big secret was foreshadowed in retrospect.
Was the doctor not only her first sexual partner but also her first "love"? If so then I am lenient because the first heartbreak IMO is the "craziest" because it's virgin territory with no frame of reference to draw coping skills from.
IMO Raven needs more experience with men in order to learn her wants, needs, and what she herself has to offer. I think part of transitioning to womanhood includes confidence in one's own sexuality.
Personally, I'm giving her a "pass" because she is where she is in life experience. No points for hitting below the belt though. It's not a statement the guy has a hope in hell of defending...ever.
I agree. I don't see the big deal as Nick had no problem talking about sex all over the place.
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by ReneeM Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:57 pm
cmarci93 wrote:why would raven say this after their fantasy suite? " says “Nick is a man of his word,” etc."
Because he's gonna pipe her down
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by Kashathediva Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:59 pm
Roto Rooter. Mr. Rooter to the rescue. :Bubba: :Nick:
No good deed goes unpunished.
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, bye Felicia!
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by Loulou Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:24 pm
IMO if N and Raven engaged in any sort of sexually activity then N has not learnt from his previous mistakes and it indicates a lack of maturity and respect. IMO he will end up a lonely old man by himself and deserving so. As for Raven - what was the girl thinking? Forget the old boyfriend, what about her parents and family! Yuk. Jmo
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by OnionLayers Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:29 pm
The "man of his word" thing means nothing to me.
Probable conversation:
Producer: "How is Nick different than your ex?"
Raven: "Nick is more honest with his feelings, blah blah blah blah, and he's someone I know I will be able to trust."
Producer: "Is loyalty going to be an issue with Nick?"
Raven: "No, Nick would be a loyal partner?"
Producer: "Is Nick a man of his word?"
Raven: "Nick is a man of his word."
Probable conversation:
Producer: "How is Nick different than your ex?"
Raven: "Nick is more honest with his feelings, blah blah blah blah, and he's someone I know I will be able to trust."
Producer: "Is loyalty going to be an issue with Nick?"
Raven: "No, Nick would be a loyal partner?"
Producer: "Is Nick a man of his word?"
Raven: "Nick is a man of his word."
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by happygolucky Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:54 am
If they did the "deed" ... wouldn't be more telling being called "man of action"? Since "word" makes me think like he promised her something, but that would be called bragging
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by atem Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:50 am
I am really looking forward to the ATFR! Raven liked Nick's Instagram saying it's going to be 'wild' (whatever that means) Raven follows Vanessa, so I don't think she had sex with Nick. I think he didn't put on any pressure on her and she liked that he kept his word. Just a guess!
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by Kashathediva Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:12 pm
Glad she is happy. It was a good experience for her and that is rare.
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by Guest Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:23 pm
Not sure when but it was an interview i remember nick saying he wasn't going to have sex with any of the girls during the fantasy dates and i believe nick.
I think raven had a few to many drinks and started to blurt things out and thinks she's ready but probably won't IMO
I think raven had a few to many drinks and started to blurt things out and thinks she's ready but probably won't IMO
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Re: Raven Gates - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers*
by cookielover12 Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:28 pm
I think Nick would take "advantage" of Raven when she was drunk. IMO it would've ended up like a Liz situation at ATFR! JMO
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